2013/11/18 17:43:40
fichy
Trevor, I think that azz was the same arrogant  fool that planted the red light on a pole in the Kiddie Pool.  He'd plant it in the dark, so he could pontificate to his posse back up in the parking lot, but still have his spot "controlled".
He was best rotated head first into the port a john. I haven't seen him this year.  The times I've walked past there, it's been peaceful co-existence it seems. 
2013/11/18 17:45:16
Lucky13
2B and I have tried it, especially with the crew from up in the 'daks back in the days of the bus, but they had a tendency to slide down until they were in the good spots, and then plant, so we went back to "get in there faster, and hold the taking spot".  But the idea that you can hold water while your bud is at lunch, not without paying the big bucks for the new jailhouse resort in my book!  I would definitely be right beside Bright's dad, those guys can rotate on something else!  Next it will be everyone over to the Altmar for a couple of beers and we're taking the water as soon as we come back, if we can still stand up.  Maybe it is time for some letters asking LE to uphold the trespass rules on the zones, if you are in there earlier than legal fishing time you are trespassing.  If everyone arrived at the same time, rotation would seem like the logical and fair way of splitting it up, but when you have someone camping out overnight in a no trespass zone to hold 100 yards of water for the crew from Jersey, it does not work.
 
Apparently, crowding is a big problem on the LL salmon waters in Essex.  From the DEC website:

"Angling Ethics

Courtesy and ethics are increasingly important on popular sections of river, and particularly so where you may be on private property:
  • If other anglers are present, rotate the pool. Rotating the pool involves starting at the head of the pool, casting and retrieving, and then taking a step downstream before casting again. Each angler rotates downstream through the pool and returns to the head until it is his/her turn again. The process allows all anglers the opportunity to fish the whole pool.
  • Know and obey the fishing regulations. In particular, terminal tackle is carefully regulated during late summer and fall.
  • Respect private property or risk losing public access! Many of the best pools are on private property where continued access is absolutely dependent on the landowners' good will. One litterer could potentially eliminate access for everyone, so please consider picking up any trash you find."
 
Of course, these rivers are unweighted flies and baits only, so you don't have one guy knocking them out with an anchor while the next guy is tying a Skagit head into bows around the trees on the other bank. 
I  can see it on well defined pools, with a bench and signage, but for much of the river, not so much. But I'm also not recognizing "your" water if you are on the other side of the river.  And as to Spey fishers, they pretty much all have their craniums parked at the other end of the torso, as the spots where a spey rod is really necessary on the SR are few and far between, and in the higher water, the fish are not out in the middle of the river very often anyway.  I WISH I was in British Columbia, too, but a one hander will cover most anything on the SR, which would be a small stream on the west coast.
 
Just my thoughts, maybe the Genny is not so bad after all.  Certainly easier to pick out the Pa and Ohio cars if you get grief, and let a little air out at the top of the hill!
 
L13
2013/11/18 18:20:21
hot tuna
13, if I could upload pic's from camp I'd show you the "no trespass after dark sign from UFZ" I took Took it about 5-8 years after its opening when it got kinda zoo like after the pucker bush internet fiasco  ..  Didn't like the O'dark thirty game much.. Blows my mind on 4-1 but still I learned holes that held fish instead of fishers and show up to fish..
 
No brown down today.. Boys are coming up in am and I need red meat..
2013/11/18 18:20:34
troutbum21
I'm all for sharing water with guys in my group but I too have had bad experiences when I'm alone and out numbered.  Things somehow change when you are the guy holding the hot rod with the hotter fly.  In today's instant communication world I've seen what started out as a three man rotation turn into a gaggle of six or more when emails start flying.  How then do you tell the players without a scorecard? 
I shared a story with Tuna a while back about the WB Ausable.  I patiently watch a guy cast to a pod of rising fish to the point of frustration on his part.  When he finally gave up and left I proceeded to take eight fish in a matter of a half hour.  He later came back upstream and asked what I was using (Light Hendrickson).  By then the hatch had ended and I was content with the afternoons success.  I prefer to wait my turn or find my own water and its my choice who I allow to enter my space.   
2013/11/18 18:53:42
fichy
The inmates in the Altmar Prison really don't have that much good water behind the fence- maybe they'll set a new ethics and etiquette standard.
Over 2 bills a night with tax to start and a c note or two  more for food and cognac - you best be getting a turn  at the best drifts. They may carry that attitude out beyond the fence.   Jay Peck told  me that he and others have refused to guide for them. Interesting to see what happens....
2013/11/18 19:00:03
r2g2
Charlie- that's hysterical- hope it sticks-- 'the inmates in the Altmar prison-priceless.
2013/11/18 19:41:21
hot tuna
I turned in my badge in 2010. Dsr and NYS . ADK's weren't paying it forward and Oswego co was taking its tolls $$$
Now I fish for free and am free to fish when & where I please.
Gotta say , ice don't get near the recognition the SR does .. Spot burn ..
2013/11/18 19:44:00
pafisher
If the inmates from the Altmar prison carry the wrong attitude beyond the fence they might leave Altmar needing dental work,they're not too popular and they have n't even arrived.
2013/11/18 19:47:31
fichy
That's Ok , Jack they got corporate dental plans, not  Obama care (Govt. approved string, doorknob and pliers).
2013/11/18 19:52:37
pafisher
hot tuna
I turned in my badge in 2010. Dsr and NYS . ADK's weren't paying it forward and Oswego co was taking its tolls $$$
Now I fish for free and am free to fish when & where I please.
Gotta say , ice don't get near the recognition the SR does .. Spot burn ..



Tuna I just heard it today.....all ice fishing gear is sold out at most outdoor outlets because of "someone" promoting the ice fishing on the internet!Also,all hotels and B&B's,motels,flophouses,camp sites are booked in the Ad region of NY for DEC,JAN and FEB.! Hey,you can rotate holes over the prime spots

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