2013/08/24 09:47:53
Clint S
This is also from the oswego co page
The borders are clear
http://rptsgisweb.oswegoc...000000&swis=352000
2013/08/24 10:49:53
retired guy
WOW Clint- according to that they dont even own the actual streamside bank in most of the area. Looks like one could walk the bank in from upstream bout halfway into their riverside line and not be on their property at all.
  But hey- they are putting a few MILLION into it and one may well believe they didnt do that without guarantees and assurances.
    'Exclusive ' according to this is a gross overstatement --lol.
 When looking at similar Govt. maps of my property up there the lines are VERY accurate- dont see this being different.
 Gonna be interesting----
2013/08/24 11:34:51
troutbum21
I think the maps serve to illustrate the point I made earlier about changes in the stream bed from erosion.  The area that shows the property line toward mid stream may once have been dry land with the entire stream channel to the north of that location.  Also the jaggedness of the property line along streamside may indicate where land once met water.  
2013/08/24 12:21:31
retired guy
   Some odd recorded lines to say the least however a proper new  survey was very likely made prior to purchase- That one will be recorded with the County Clerk however one may well believe it wont be on a computer for some time.
 When I bought my place a few years back even though it had no mortgage I insisted on a new proper recorded survey by a certified appraisal company- would bet the farm these folks did likewise.
 Noteworthy that mine directly mirrored the old ones but it should be done whenever a property changes hands- banks insist on it when fronting dollars.
 Generally nothing changes but---no surprises.
  Next thought will be what is the 'rule' about river access to frontage owners who dont actually own the riverbed- or perhaps even the few feet (in some places ) between their line and the river edge. ??
 Puts the State in a real bind with guys wanting more PFR and the new 'business' likely NOT owning to the actual rivers edge in some areas--  lol.
 (make ya a bet on  PFR there)
 BTW- who does own those few feet shown on the map ???
2013/08/24 14:34:41
Lucky13
The bed and remainder of the river across the way are listed as Niagara Mohawk, as is the stretch downstream on their side.  It is likely NIMO sold the north shore access to NYS as an easement as that is all shown as PFR.  It will be interesting to watch this develop and hear the song and dance that DEC comes up with  if it is not the school's bed in that section.  Money talks, nobody wades!
 
L13
2013/08/24 15:01:21
retired guy
Sounds like thats THAT- If the BED is Niagara so long to  the privacy beyond that property line  -- lol.
 Would imagine BED means to the normal bank of the River-still leaves some bank in question according to the property maps lines but the Bed seems to answer any question I had.
 Would suggest folks fishing there carry a copy of the property line map and the paperwork that Lucky found with the Bed language.
 Used to carry all my prop maps when Deer hunting in a zip lock- in case anyone with a badge questioned my position.
 Its gonna get hysterical-might start going there instead of Tressel for laughs.
2013/08/25 07:52:43
Lucky13
All I went on is the tax map that you gave us the link for, Clint.  There is no language there, bur it showed all the properties so I clicked on the neighboring one.  I think the language that needs to be checked is the deed, or you could also speak to the people in the tax office. 
 
Here's a question?  Was an environmental review of the project ever done?   a lot of this issue may have been covered in that.
 
L13
2013/08/25 08:24:06
Clint S
I cannot totally use the page as I have script blockers that will not let me hover and click on properties.    Thanks for looking that stuff up L13.   It is going to get interesting.  
2013/08/25 10:35:39
retired guy
   We can peer over the maps all we want ( I do )- Am sure those investing Millions knew  what the deal was - likely their ads describe whats  correct- like it or not.
 This year will produce a learning curve for average fisherfolks - next they will be used to it.
   A  kick in the butt to  protect the public fishery further with more PFR- it brings  Millions into the  fiscally depressed local area- they should be protecting the investment.
  The Ball Park was talked about not long ago.  Whats public now  may not always be .
 That said they are talking about more  trails along the North side through the Staircase from Downtown Pool including whats now PVT.-- so there is interest by Govt --good.
 
2013/08/25 20:25:53
Clint S
Forgot to post.   When I went by yesterday there looked to be ALOT to be  finished from an outside perspective.   From the looks they will be lucky to open 9/1 AND no one was working.   Parking lot was somewhat torn up and the school pretty much looks the same. 

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