chartist
Clint, the fishery is way underpriced and you know it......Go to Alaska, where the experience of catching salmon is fairly equal, and pay $1000 a day...

 
Don't know if you have ever been to AK, but We spent $4000 a piece for a 9dayer. That was flight, rental car, fuel, lodging, fishing, processing and shipping of our catch, spending cash, ect. ect. To say that it's $1000 a day??? There is a sucker born every day. Maybe you watch too much Seasons on the Fly. I will say this, you droppin 3grand on The SR is kinda silly considering another grand will get you to Alaska. Jus say'IN.... Ofcourse it's no flossfest so you might be out of yer element.
 
 
O ya one more thing. Comparing catching  pellethead hatchery Kings to a wild, salt run Alaskan Kings makes you sound even more silly.

I could stay on the home water for a year.
I would also vote against anyone in office that allows this to happen.
I would support closing the hatchery and ending the minimum flow policy.
That would over a 5 year period virtually end natural repo.
Change the law to no kill for the entire river and change it to say when you have landed a fish you must stop fishing .
 
Then put on an ad campaign say come fish the world famous SR elitists, suckers, and ashholes.
Then twats like our resident troll can have the river to himself.
He fits the requirements to a T.

pensfan1

chartist
Clint, the fishery is way underpriced and you know it......Go to Alaska, where the experience of catching salmon is fairly equal, and pay $1000 a day...

 
Don't know if you have ever been to AK, but We spent $4000 a piece for a 9dayer. That was flight, rental car, fuel, lodging, fishing, processing and shipping of our catch, spending cash, ect. ect. To say that it's $1000 a day??? There is a sucker born every day. Maybe you watch too much Seasons on the Fly. I will say this, you droppin 3grand on The SR is kinda silly considering another grand will get you to Alaska. Jus say'IN.... Ofcourse it's no flossfest so you might be out of yer element.
 
 
O ya one more thing. Comparing catching  pellethead hatchery Kings to a wild, salt run Alaskan Kings makes you sound even more silly.

And that is why I chose to stay here in Oswego county where we have PFR's and I can fish for the cost of a 8 mile ride up. 
 
 

The SR is a great fishery and resource. For big business to make it a pay to play is a shame. I guess some guys feel the more money you spend the better you are. I hope this doesn't go through.

I made a post last night that expressed my thoughts of this idiot "chartist",the administrators pulled the post and warned me to stay with in their guidelines.I apologize to the admin. of this site and commend them for running a great forum.
I suggest we all ignore the idiot "chartist" and he can then talk to himself in the future.
As far as what this Tailwater Lodge is trying to do by locking up the river for their profit let it be known they will NEVER see me spending a dime at their lodge or restaurant....EVER!!!

My posts are as well received here as Chartist's, but I'll add one more before  I go back to the occasional lurk. This topic may be a moot point, as the PFR bank rights are sold in perpetuity and are maintained irrespective of property changing hands. If you look at Tailhook's  Facebook page, you'll read some interesting things between the lines. They are offering some promotional discounts for lodging and they have a plea out for guides to be on their list. This tells me a few things- that 179 bucks is not very palatable to most, and that the locals aren't fawning all over them and lining up to go into indentured servitude. They very well may attempt to get the North Bank through some legal; shenanigans, but they'll face a number of obstacles to get there.
  1. This would create an instant problem for the state boat launch- if they succeed, they very well may be forced to pay for another launch below their property.
 2. Local opinion will be such that acts of "terrorism" will be inevitable. A few clients with Ohio plates with slashed tires will put out a very effective ad campaign in the wrong direction.
 3. The state's tax coffers aren't served when you trade  the many penny pinching paupers for the well heeled occasional visitor. Local businesses will suffer, as Chartist stated he'll eat somewhere expensive, but displace 3 guys who'll spend half as much as he does. You do the math.  Tax breaks and tax write-offs do not spell profit and real revenue generation.
 4. The potential for corporate business ala conventions is on the wane.
Investors don't want to see lavish expense accounts for the mid level rabble any longer. You can easily conduct business over your phone and tele-conferencing- no need for very expensive conventions that eat profits. Many cities are dialing back on their plans for convention centers, Albany's included. TL is going to have an even harder go.
   They're starting to do the foolish practice of throwing money at a bad idea. In the end, they may hold their own, and make the 99'ers suck ****, but there will be some bad blood generated.  
   For myself, I leave for one of the premier rainbow rivers in the US next week, the San Juan. I'll spend my time doing some pretty difficult technical fishing for 20" plus bows with flies from 22 thru 28. I'll be camping for 9 bucks a night and eating off my backpacking stove. There's not much for fancy lodging nearby, anyway. The SJ seems to attract real fisherman that don't need to resort to snagging to have a successful trip. I'm also taking a rim to rim backpacking trip in the Grand Canyon , but that ain't fishin'.
It's a very sad state of affairs when people think snagging sharks in the SR is a badge of honor and a sign of angling skill. It's worth it to us that don't travel that far and  spend a lot of money on it for some laughs and fun, but pretty ludicrous to consider it on par with Atlantic Salmon fishing, or many, many other fisheries  across the economic spectrum that require real skills.
   That's enough from me for the next 6 or 7 months.
Hope everyone has a productive spring and summer.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Good to hear from you Charlie and have fun on the SJ.
 
I said it from the beginning when the tax breaks go so will it maybe before.   BTW  went by tonight and  the place was EMPTY again.  Only cars out back.

Here is the kick in the head: Tailwater gets a sweetheart price, tax abatements for ten years and then has the audacity to buy property on the north river bank in the hope of negating public fishing rights.  I wonder how the owner gets his pants on in the morning with balls that big? 

He figures to be able to attract enough snagging bag of dung Ohio mule rectums who have already been shunned on the Erie board.  But we could also just start releasing weak fish down in the homeless pools in town.  Or start an action against introduction of invasive aquatic vectors for moving Mirex into the tribs, but then we don't get the fish either.
 
But lets see if we can find out more of the truth first.  We have already paid for the access, Mr Monopoly Man has just started paying.  And if everyone that lives here remembers all this in November, we may be talking to a different governor after January next year, one who would not put your sister out on a street corner.
 
L13
 
 
 

fichy
My posts are as well received here as Chartist's, but I'll add one more before  I go back to the occasional lurk. This topic may be a moot point, as the PFR bank rights are sold in perpetuity and are maintained irrespective of property changing hands. If you look at Tailhook's  Facebook page, you'll read some interesting things between the lines. They are offering some promotional discounts for lodging and they have a plea out for guides to be on their list. This tells me a few things- that 179 bucks is not very palatable to most, and that the locals aren't fawning all over them and lining up to go into indentured servitude. They very well may attempt to get the North Bank through some legal; shenanigans, but they'll face a number of obstacles to get there.  1. This would create an instant problem for the state boat launch- if they succeed, they very well may be forced to pay for another launch below their property. 2. Local opinion will be such that acts of "terrorism" will be inevitable. A few clients with Ohio plates with slashed tires will put out a very effective ad campaign in the wrong direction. 3. The state's tax coffers aren't served when you trade  the many penny pinching paupers for the well heeled occasional visitor. Local businesses will suffer, as Chartist stated he'll eat somewhere expensive, but displace 3 guys who'll spend half as much as he does. You do the math.  Tax breaks and tax write-offs do not spell profit and real revenue generation. 4. The potential for corporate business ala conventions is on the wane.Investors don't want to see lavish expense accounts for the mid level rabble any longer. You can easily conduct business over your phone and tele-conferencing- no need for very expensive conventions that eat profits. Many cities are dialing back on their plans for convention centers, Albany's included. TL is going to have an even harder go.   They're starting to do the foolish practice of throwing money at a bad idea. In the end, they may hold their own, and make the 99'ers suck ****, but there will be some bad blood generated.     For myself, I leave for one of the premier rainbow rivers in the US next week, the San Juan. I'll spend my time doing some pretty difficult technical fishing for 20" plus bows with flies from 22 thru 28. I'll be camping for 9 bucks a night and eating off my backpacking stove. There's not much for fancy lodging nearby, anyway. The SJ seems to attract real fisherman that don't need to resort to snagging to have a successful trip. I'm also taking a rim to rim backpacking trip in the Grand Canyon , but that ain't fishin'.It's a very sad state of affairs when people think snagging sharks in the SR is a badge of honor and a sign of angling skill. It's worth it to us that don't travel that far and  spend a lot of money on it for some laughs and fun, but pretty ludicrous to consider it on par with Atlantic Salmon fishing, or many, many other fisheries  across the economic spectrum that require real skills.   That's enough from me for the next 6 or 7 months.Hope everyone has a productive spring and summer.      

That's good one right there, well said. Enjoy your trip.