2016/10/12 12:11:21
thunderpole
Last night I shot a nice buck hit a bit high, didn't think it was to high tho 30 yards behind the shoulder or here's where it gets sketchy. I waited solid 25 or so min climbed down looked for blood at the shot no blood no hair found my arrow about 20 feet away with about 8" broke off the back (fletching part) arrow had meat and a grease look to it no blood. So I left head hung low absolutely disgusted looked at every diagram online read every story I could thought about the shot all night. We go back today 15hrs later looked in a 40 yard circle for hour and half no blood no hair ,like literally no blood! I don't get it even a flesh wound bleeds we looked around the area for 2 more hrs no sign biggest buck iv had a chance on and I blew it I'm tore up really bad. But I'm gonna go back with few more guys and look some more through the thickets I owe it to the deer. Did I hit that high? What happened? Why is there no blood? I heard the fatal smack and watched arrow hit and he bolted. I thought I surly hit one lung on the opposite side? What do you think I really wanna hear some opinions. I think I just shot high and he's gonna live but idk it just don't make sense!!!! Area is blown now my archery Season is done I'm about to just sell my bow and give it up iv never cried and puked at the same time .
2016/10/12 12:49:08
outasync
It happens to us all. You found the broadhead or just the fetching part?
I found out the hard way rages and havocs fly about 10 inches high at 20 yards the practice tips fly perfect though for some reason. And your seasons not over I've seen a buck wounded opening week out of a stand finished off 3 weeks later!
2016/10/12 15:07:59
thunderpole
Found bh never the back with fletching I was using a drt fixed blade they fly great for me ,I just don't get it we looked again no sign I think he survived Idk maby I'll see him in rut I'm hunting ducks till then I need a break
2016/10/12 15:54:28
Big Tuna
Not going to go there,plain and simple. You didn't hit him right. Rage fly true and have absolutely no opening problems. I've killed to many with them 40-70 yards retrieval on many 165- 200 lb adult deer. My son arrowed a monster 8 pts with a 23.5 outside spread 60 and dead. It's better to hit a deer farther back than the shoulder or straight down on the back. A far back lung shot on the edge of the diaphragm or a liver shot with kill a dead in short order.
2016/10/12 15:59:47
Big Tuna
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2016/10/12 20:28:58
thunderpole
I'm very upset I think he's gonna survive I just don't understand why's there no blood at all makes no sense
2016/10/12 22:35:17
BeenThereDoneThat.
There's no blood because you didn't hit a vein/artery or organ and from what you are saying about fat, your arrow must have hit much higher than you thought.  I am a bit confused about the arrow at this point, am I correct you have not found the knock end of the arrow and it may still be sticking in the animal?
 
Also, if in fact the distance was 30 yds, what draw weight are you shooting, arrow, weight of broad head, crossbow, compound, noise of the bow.  Not that all that is vital to why there is no blood, I'm just curious as to why there is no pass through based on the missing section of arrow.  Hitting bone can cause the situation where a portion of the arrow passes through then gets broken off.
 
I ask about the type of bow you are shooting because of the mistakes people make when and after they release the arrow, like picking ones head up to watch the arrow, dropping the bow too soon after release, not practicing, etc.  Also the draw weight, arrow, and weight of the broadhead all affect speed.   Any noise or movement picked up by the deer will have that deer "ducking" or dropping which will cause a high hit.  It is said a deer can drop a foot in less then a second as it prepares to escape.  Let's not forget the height from the ground from which you were shooting, many times people get way too high and forget to add the height factor to the distance of the target.  For instance, shooter is 20 ft high in a tree and the target is 20 yds from the base of the tree; would the shooter use a 20 yd pin or the 30 yd pin?   (The distance the arrow will travel is 28+ yds.)
 
Also, the angle to which the shooter is to the target is important because a deer standing broadside, will allow for a direct shot to let's say the heart but, that same deer facing away at a angle will need the arrow to penetrate behind the heart to assure hitting the heart.
 
As for your search, you said forty yards making circles but you didn't mention if you marked the spot of the hit or the last place you saw the deer.  It is a known fact without an initial marker and follow up markers to guide one by, any search is hap hazard at best.  Plus, forty yard searches only count if you here the animal go down, deer are known to cover a square mile over the course of their travel.  Break your searches down into grids and look for a dog curled up in the smallest of places.  You will either jump the deer and assure he is alive or you will by now find a half eaten carcass.
 
Last but not least, if in fact your story holds water, put the duck gun back in the case and go find that deer, dead or alive you owe it to him. 
 
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Edit; Sorry Tuna I most forgitted, kudos to your son, that is a dandy Buck and his smile is worth a thousand words.
 
 
2016/10/12 23:17:08
workcanwait....
That's a tough one...and I have been there!
Gave up the compound for a crossbow(NEVER LOOKED BACK)after losing 1-2-3 good bucks in 3 years hit back and high each time.
I searched high and low very lil blood and I believe all 3 lived-well actually I know 2 did...
I almost gave up but I love the show that happens during the rut.
Crossbows were introduced next year I bought one and have killed a buck with it 5 out of last 6 years no problems-other year I got 1 with a gun.
I made mistakes losing those 3 deer but it made me better because I was willing to learn from them...DO NOT GIVE UP...LEARN AND MOVE ON!
Also search area 400 yd radius watch for birds...might find him
 
WCW
 
2016/10/12 23:21:19
workcanwait....
Actually now I think about it I went a year with crossbow did not get a shot...then 5 out of 6 years.
I figure the bad shots with compound I was tensing up from excitement of live target...was good in back yard with target.
 
WCW
2016/10/12 23:41:51
outasync
Another common mistake is punching the release when that magic moment comes out of excitement. I myself am guilty of the not accounting for height of my stand when taking a shot. Luckily that buck lived and has been running around my hunting area the past 2 seasons (hopefully not much longer) it sounds to me like you may of hit a lot higher than you think and he's running around with a small haircut wondering what happened.

Remember too they can go a long way without bleeding with a 2 blade mechanical or fixed due to it being more of a slit than a hole. I dropped a doe last year with a heart shot that only went 45 yards and there wasn't a drop of blood until I got to the pond I saw her fall down in. I'm thinking of maybe going to 3 blade rages because of that. But I'll be trying them from a stand before I hunt with them after seeing how the 2 blades fly from my bow. Still dont know why the actual broadheads hit high compared to the practice tips. Maybe my bows out of tune?

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