This is getting old....just saying

Pfan I was hoping to clear up what I was trying to point out.
I knew you GOT it but was trying to be sure my writing was reflecting my meaning.
 
Pa no BS.
8 hookups in 45 minutes fishing a black fly on a big hook.
I would say that is below average for many of the hardcore snaggists.
Especially those who don't need to learn anything.
 
Thanks cold, somehow it feels fitting at times.
When picking the avatar I saw the pic from a distance and it was a line of tanks a far as the shot could capture and I'm sure hundreds more after that.
That was 1 very ballsy mofo in that picture.
 
 

That would be nice cold but everything I have read seems to say they either never knew for sure who he was to reports that he was shot buy firing squad
Ballsy whatever the true story is.

chartist
 



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there, my fly next to a quarter....Hope you enjoy it.  I am still going to use this fly next year, with or without the approval of any posters.

 
Whats up with the pic? Doesnt show up. jus ask'IN jus say'IN...

UMM.. Can't duplicate that pic he posted of a black estaz fly next to a quarter.
 
Wild guess but  he can't make the estaz cover the hook the way it did on that #8 he posted claiming it was a 1/0?
Maybe?
 
Just so he knows.
There is a facebook page by snagger from mmf forum that is a big pat yourself on the back for snagging salmon circle jerk.
Of course its hush hush and by invite only.
 

pensfan1
2b, There is definetly a difference in swingin' streamers and dead driftin/flossin' with a "turtle hook" wrapped in estaz.. I also agree with the "louder" the better on the streamer patterns. Swingin' to a hot fish can produce bone jarring strikes. Sometimes the BIG Ugly is what they key on and when you do hook up with one there is NO doubt. It's right in tha beak. Jus clear'IN that up, jus say'IN...

Just askin here...

Pensafan are you insinuating that anyone dead drifting is flossing?

Again, just askin...

Can't answer for PF but most of the flossers I see are not dead drifting..
They get down into the fish zone and then speed up the hook leading it  across stream with the rod.
Anti swinging as it were since  most swinging is down with the rod following the line.
A much slower down and across presentation.
Lots of fish do get flossed dead drifting but I think more are by accident than on purpose.

Agreed Bob... I'd say dead drifting is more prone to an unintentional foul hook more so. I've even flossed and fouled fish while swinging and believe it or not with a spin rod and bobber as well... no method is fool proof

dimebrite2

pensfan1
2b, There is definetly a difference in swingin' streamers and dead driftin/flossin' with a "turtle hook" wrapped in estaz.. I also agree with the "louder" the better on the streamer patterns. Swingin' to a hot fish can produce bone jarring strikes. Sometimes the BIG Ugly is what they key on and when you do hook up with one there is NO doubt. It's right in tha beak. Jus clear'IN that up, jus say'IN...

Just askin here...

Pensafan are you insinuating that anyone dead drifting is flossing?

Again, just askin...

Not at all. Maybe its not dead drifting as much as it is dragging across the current, into the zone, then lifting or setting at the first sign of a fish. I'm no expert in the art of force feedin em, but if yer usin a buncha weight and a huge hook, you mite be a flosser..

As you also said, no method is fool proof. With that many fish, yer bound to foul em once in a while. Saying I saw 50+ fish and no one else got any but me should raise a flag. Either yer a better fisherman than evryone else that was there OR..... Well u get the idea.

IMO, jus say'IN

pensfan1

dimebrite2

pensfan1
2b, There is definetly a difference in swingin' streamers and dead driftin/flossin' with a "turtle hook" wrapped in estaz.. I also agree with the "louder" the better on the streamer patterns. Swingin' to a hot fish can produce bone jarring strikes. Sometimes the BIG Ugly is what they key on and when you do hook up with one there is NO doubt. It's right in tha beak. Jus clear'IN that up, jus say'IN...

Just askin here...

Pensafan are you insinuating that anyone dead drifting is flossing?

Again, just askin...

Not at all. Maybe its not dead drifting as much as it is dragging across the current, into the zone, then lifting or setting at the first sign of a fish. I'm no expert in the art of force feedin em, but if yer usin a buncha weight and a huge hook, you mite be a flosser..

As you also said, no method is fool proof. With that many fish, yer bound to foul em once in a while. Saying I saw 50+ fish and no one else got any but me should raise a flag. Either yer a better fisherman than evryone else that was there OR..... Well u get the idea.

IMO, jus say'IN

Thanks for the clarification. I hoNestly started fishing for steelhead with the fly rod and we naturally started leaning towards using more weight and dead drifting. If course as years went by many folks began faking advantage of the legal regulations and foul hooking and flossing was labeled on anyone who used weight with a fly rod... then the term chuck and duck came out. I will honestly say that I've had my best days for steelhead with a running line and slinky weights with surprisingly estaz flies. I can assure you that they were not flossex or foul hooked fish either. Although its been many years coupled with my rod of choice the past few years being a spin rod, I have thought of tar getting steelhead in deeper pools with a c and d rig... I'm at a point in mg life where I don't care what anyone says or thinks. That's the problem with these fisheries today... too many opinions and voices... who gives a fukk... just go and fish...

Happy new years