2014/08/20 07:36:33
fichy
The regs didn't leave much grey area  on that one. The one thing that they did miss is the fact that with those light weight propellers that are designed to be used on flies, would make you  less likely to be snagging. Better you're out there with your Spey rod,  4 lb. tippet and a sz. 20 merrily searching the bottom.  Sometimes I use tungsten putty. It's expensive, but it weighs almost  half again of lead, and  can be rolled on in a tapered small pencil that is very snag resistant.  In high water it works very well- heavy , but no resistance. I gotta get some lead, too!  The last I had, HT gave me, and they ended up helping with some early season walleyes on the Hudson.
As we've all said before, Tin Sucks! 
2014/08/20 08:26:30
pafisher
What kind of lead are you looking for Charlie? No problem finding lead where I live,I'll get some for you.
2014/08/20 08:49:38
fischnmachine
My buddy swears by them.  Now I wouldn't say I swear by them, and to be honest I've only seen him hook and land one small salmon.  The wire that was used by his buddy who made them must have been a light gauge because the fish tore it up.  I know this is slightly off topic but I actually bought a couple of spinners from Finger lakes tackle co.  Now I've only used them a few times and truthfully didn't have much luck.  He's a good guy and for the lake guys it seems his main business is producing spoons for trolling, etc....
2014/08/20 09:01:09
twobob
Clint you gotta stop looking at that sight or at least take it for what it is.
Anti Fishusa snagging board.
 
Machine spinners catch the heck out of steel at times.
I'm sure he is selling single hook spinners but in case he didn't remember that is  the law much of the year at the SR.
 
Fichy the easiest way to do away with all snagging is to make only2/0 octopus hooks legal. Wink wink!
 
 
2014/08/20 09:01:40
hot tuna
Your right Clint . There are really two definitions for using a spinner or propeller on a fly. The one I looked at adresses mostly the river system below the zone ( not added to the line ) which I don't really understand why if its outta the zones.
The one you posted is what my chitty memory recalled as to a definition of a fly ( in the zone ) . I know they adressed it when the bead craze hit. You are allowed to tie a bead into or onto the fly but not just slide it onto your leader/ tippet .
I tied a few flies that were very effective by threading a small size 8 mm bead onto some stout line like 20# , tie a knot on the end so it don't slip off then tie in the other end onto the hook shank before building the fly. It's kind of an articulating effect.
As to using lead- weight etc, I found very little need to use much weight at all and sometimes only a bead chain eyes for salmon. I like my flies big and swinging with larger profiles fished above or in straight line of sight of the salmon. Mostly I also like to fish for them in much different water ( sight fish is a more shallow broken water )
For steelhead , if the water temps are condusive to them then a swinging streamer through the heads or tails of pools has been effictive for me. Once the grasp of winter sets in it basically has become a dead drift , low, slow and deep method. That is where the skill of the angler being able to abide within the 1/8 oz rule plays a larger part over the chuck and duck method. Some days it's impossible to fish the same place you would at 335 when its 750. The only aproach then is to use an Indi , aka bobber and work the insides of those areas as opposed to a spin guy who ( below the zone ) would just add more weight and dredge deeper.
Lots of variables and learning how to read water come into play
2014/08/20 09:16:33
fischnmachine
Thanks for the reminder, I made sure to do my homework and the owner fishes various west and east tribs so he ensured I was compliant with the rules.  The spinners wereequipped with Siwash hooks.  I just need to fish them.  It's hard for me to give up on the roe or dare I say the word- beads.
 
2014/08/20 09:18:58
troutbum21
I think the lynch pin, as with anything regarding enforcement, is the person you run into that particular day.  Interpretation and intent seem to go hand in hand.  A few years ago I had an encounter with a DEC officer above the Pineville ramp.  He called me to the bank after watching me fish a large streamer and insisted that it was not legal because it had too much weight.  I explained that the streamer had no added weight and that the materials (rabbit strips and sculpin wool along with eyes) used in its construction absorbed and held water giving it the appearance of weight.  I finally prevailed with my argument after nearly twenty minutes of conversation. 
2014/08/20 09:47:45
twobob
I had to get my regs book and show it to 2 officers because they wouldn't believe me when I told them that 4 foot max between hook and weight was the law and just about everyone fishing the lfz was breaking the law.
2014/08/20 09:55:45
fichy
   Jack, I could use 7's and bb's. Probably 3 small bags of each will last me a season or 2. You did that for me a couple of years ago and it was much appreciated. I'll get them when I see you on the river end of Sept.  Not only will I reimburse you, but I'll buy you dinner at the place of your choice.
2014/08/20 10:06:38
hot tuna
Gerry is correct in the intent. I have seen it as whelp when it came to actual bobber aka float fishing.
If you stagger the weight properly then your float will fish correctly but most likely no be in compliance with the regulation . Dec has watched guys fishing corectly but out of compliance without hassle . On the flip side I seen them give folks a talking to who were repeatedly lining fish with floats that may have been outside the regs.

Machine:
I seen some video last year on guys that were slamming the steel in the fall on those spinners. It looked awesome and something I'd really like to try myself. Problem is , I'm usually up a tree at that time and after that , walking on water instead of in it.
If you have the chance, give them a go down low, staircase area. I , being a spin guy also would think that would be a blast

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