2015/08/15 11:05:18
chartist
you only have to accept the lowest bid if you're a distressed city or town....In my old home town, which is distressed, they put the garbage collection out for contract.  The range was $16 per ton to $27 per ton.  It was all sealed bidding.  Whoever bid $16 is going to be hard pressed to make money.  It goes without saying you don't always want the lowest bidder on a roof job.
2015/08/15 18:01:09
dimebrite2
Distressed city or town has nothing to do with it. In my opinion no job should ever be awarded to lowest bidder. Bit in my experience, I believe public funded contracts above anywherds from 10-20 k must go to lowest bidder in a sealed bid
2015/08/16 01:13:38
BeenThereDoneThat.
Regardless of being mandatory for accepting a "low bid", you can bet there will be "change orders" leading to "cost over runs".  Contractors make note of any potential "change orders" to use as a wild card in hopes of recouping any losses from proposing a "low ball bid".  Not a bad thing as good contractors need some leverage to compete against the shoddy contractors.  Problem is, these "change orders" can be used to conveniently increase payment to 'Uncle Charlies Construction Firm' so he can substantially underbid all other contractors.  Remember who approves any "change orders" that, can produce some hefty "cost overruns" and the general public will never know why a $150.000 roofing job cost $255.000.
 
Project managers, Inspectors, Clerk of The Works, etc. are people who represent the owner and are charged with overseeing the project.  If these people are on the up and up, "change orders" are usually scrutinized line by line and may not be recommended, to the owner, as submitted by the contractor.  However, if 'Uncle Charlie' provides for this 'representative' of the owner, well, chances are the dude shows up once in a while and, never reviews any "change orders" let alone, assures 'Uncle Charlie' is following the contract.  Nor do the owners care!!!!
 
I hauled asphalt for a contractor for about 3 weeks and in that time we resurfaced miles and miles of secondary roads in PA.  All contract work going, to the lowest bidder.  The inspectors, college students of, parents employed by PennDot.  Their job, stand around with a thermometer and a clip board to record the temp. of the asphalt and, to watch for any diesel fuel that we might be using in the bed of our dump trailers.   Meanwhile, the army of Penndot workers were busy cleaning ditches along with tarring and chipping roads that the contractors will likely be resurfacing with asphalt next year.  
 
Why does Penndot bid this type of work.......  because the contractor can resurface the roads, with asphalt, cheaper then a state run unionized workforce can!
2015/08/16 07:08:33
dimebrite2
I hear you on the change order stuff... That all falls in to poor engineering or design. Unforeseen things are inevitable... But many engineers and architects are at fault for this. They can draw the lines and give us dimensions... But often they don't look as far in to the project as they should. I've done a few public funded jobs and two of them in particular were hand me downs from the first contractor going under from being the "low bidder" :) I bid a plumbing/process piping project out in west point for an independent contractor. Biggest I ever looked at. All said and done, out of 21 general bidders, the difference from high-low was 15 million dollars I believe... The contractor i was bidding with fell somewhere in the middleLowest bidder got it of course. I never did follow up to see what the outcome was though.


In other news: dark kings are being caught in the lake... Also, seen quite a few guys in parking lots with salmon gear... IMO: too hot, water too low... Stay home
2015/08/16 08:38:51
r3g3
Change orders on large municipal projects are commonplace and can cost lots-anyone who ever built just about anything from a shed to a house has experienced changes that have an associated cost during construction its just a part of the building process- that's why so many govt. construction jobs have a contingency fund built into the cost .
A builder once told me that its commonplace to have a house under construction go 10 o 15 percent over original cost estimates. I guess thats not a conspiracy because Govt. isn't involved -lol.
 
Guys are certainly pushing the envelope showing up for Kings this early- most of us regs know its a nice walk but not generally a productive one this early-to even see one now, much less getting it to cooperate, is a nice diversion but not worth someones weekend or a special annual trip as yet.
2015/09/05 17:58:47
hot tuna
After today , good luck in the tribs . The fishing in the lake sucks . I for see crowds and tough times ahead for the salmon seekers . Winter trout guys might fare thee well :)

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