bigbear2012
The kings might be good this year, and if they are the result of that banner year it will be an early run.
But i think the steelies are going to be way down again....just like the crash in erie.... the numbers went from great to crap...then they tried to come up with explanations (just like they did this year blaming it on B vitamin) but truth is they don't know why they crashed and have not been able to bring the runs back.

Those Erie fish didn't end up in Cleveland tribs....The numbers are down all over lake Erie ....I thought the steelhead numbers were great last year in Pulaski...Browns too.

 
Thiamine is, and has always, been there in the bait.
However, when the Ice over is excessive there is little food for the bait (chubs I believe) they loose weight---not thiamine.
When bait looses fat and weight it takes more of them to satisfy the game fish so they  get a much higher dose of thiamine  over the Winter than is normal.
This causes them to die off and/or become much more  prone to other negative issues.
Believe  that this will affect most all of the game fish to some degree.
I too hope for the big return run and can only hope they did OK while eating bait fishes and growing
  Sadly  it may have been more than last years run lying on the bottom  but some future runs as well.

POS troll thought snagging was good. Does that count? Not.
 

pafisher
Time will tell but I'm sure there will be enough of a run to play with a few come the end of Sept.
I'm counting on some company Rich and Charlie as I'll be making the trip solo this year.

Remind me of the dates so I can get a Selkirk spot.

Jack I'm on vacation the last two weeks of September and would love to share some water and net some fish for you.

I'm scheduled to arrive on Sept. 29th and will leave on Oct. 9th around 2 pm.

I look forward to meeting posters at the Altmar Hotel....I've fished upstream of the altmar bridge when I was the only on catching feeesh....Those black 1/0 flies were the ticket.....

Contact 2Bob first, he asked specifically for a follow up on your offer and you didn't reply. You drive a Subaru, right? Should be easy to spot, Ohio plates are a rarity.

I think you left out the word "sponge" before 1/0. 

r3g3
 
Thiamine is, and has always, been there in the bait.
However, when the Ice over is excessive there is little food for the bait (chubs I believe) they loose weight---not thiamine.
When bait looses fat and weight it takes more of them to satisfy the game fish so they  get a much higher dose of thiamine  over the Winter than is normal.
This causes them to die off and/or become much more  prone to other negative issues.
Believe  that this will affect most all of the game fish to some degree.
I too hope for the big return run and can only hope they did OK while eating bait fishes and growing
  Sadly  it may have been more than last years run lying on the bottom  but some future runs as well.

100 % right on, unfortunately.  This past winter was worse than the year before , so higher thiaminase in smaller alewives, if the pathologists are correct, should result again in the double whammy of predators needing to consume more stressed out and "toxic" prey, leading to Vitamin B deficient fish, with attendant mortality.
I am thinking that why this is happening at the east end of the lake has to do with the more persistent ice cover adding an additional period of stress that may be "tipping  the scales" and pushing the bait into higher enzyme production at the east end, while the west end salmonids are not getting enough thiaminase to cause them to show symptoms, but are  probably deficient in essential nutrients, making the whole situation a potential SANFU down the road.
 

Makes me wonder what the East end  ice conditions were in the 'growing years' years prior to the recent 'big runs' while the fish were maturing in the lake.
Perhaps this is a partial way of 'predicting' future runs ??
If those ice conditions were sub normal through a growing  cycle one may  look forward to a good season?
If that proves true ( mild winters pre good run) we may indeed be in for a  couple of questionable seasons.
Its something I had never considered in the past but the B thing seems a major contributor to fish success.
Clearly one bad ice over may  indicate heavy lake mortality affecting a whole 3 year cycle and two in a row may well stretch that out further.
EX-- how many 'jacks' did ya see last year ??
(hate to be the poo predictor)