thanks, beentheredonethat....got up at 3 today...on water at 520...trolled almost 3 hours..not a bite....wind got better so we drifted the rest of the day.....6 cats...5 gills..3 perch..2 crappie..lost one nice eye at boat at noon...I blame the netter...he blames me...I am captain,,,,his fault!!!!....very few boats...good wind and some clouds...saw no one catch eyes and most left before noon. my day offs will shift to shenango for small crappies. if things change I would really appreciate an update,,,pymy is my favorite place!!!