gotta put my 2 cents in on this. I have been off the site because just too dam busy working at store and on cottage. let me say first I have not caught one legal eye this year...so take everything I say w a grain of salt. last month my wife and I were at cottage for 3 days. the fish comm. was doing there net survey in front of our place. I watched them all 3 days. I am not [link=mailto:bull@@@@@@@]bull@@@@@@@[/link] when I tell you that anyone on here would have sh@@ if they saw the amount of eyes, muskies, craps and perch they pulled out of those nets everyday. 20 yards off shore. I was talking to them and watching them everyday. I was stunned. piles of giant eyes and muskies every 12 hours 20 yards off shore. now here is the kicker. I fished beside the net every night for 2 hours and never caught one. I don't get it! they are there,,,,just not biting. I went back to minnies under a bobber and have been doing great on craps and perch in 4 ft or less by the weeds. gonna up tom night to try again. will post afterwards. tight lines brothers! ok now it is time for BTDT to say something hilarious!