So Thunderpole you say its a bad year already? why is that? As long as I am outdoors,fishing and have half a chance to hook into a fish or two.Im taking a nephew who is 15 and don't want him discouraged.And Arthur what lures you fish there ?Spooks ?Raps? We can get to either place easy enough.the flats I don't know wherethat is, thank you verymuch for the input I will be going to one of the lakes in next two days any other info would be great