CERTIFIED SALTED MINNOWS

Yes and watch some of the packages of Emerald shiners at China-Mart. Some have the VHS free sticker and some of them did not have it. I think it could get you pinched.

thanx for the heads up!
where do i go to get the minnows i catch out of streams and then salt them myself? are they tatooed like usda meat?

I was in his shop the other day and he did have them then

Like chicken....

Quick question:

Are NON-certified minnies allowed on Erie tribs SOUTH of I90????????

I've heard they aren't, but does anyone really know for sure?  You'd think that as long as you're on a Lake Erie trib, you'd be okay.  I have a bunch left from last weekend, and may have my youngin's using them out on Elk Saturday, but have heard that 90 is the geographical cut-off. 

True???  Inquiring mind wants to know.

This might be a stoopid question, but why not use certified VHS free minnows everywhere???? I know its already in the Lake Erie system, but wouldn't that just make things easier, I mean what if there is a new strain that isn't prominent and you wind up introducing more of it...

Tippy,
 
There ARE no stupid questions. Just stupid people, WITH questions.
 
Sorry, had to take one little shot, and you ARE after all a Phlyers Phan.

Oops forgot to use gurucheck.

egg sac, you are mistaken on the egg restriction.
March 21 2008 Notices Department of Agriculture and Pennsylvania fish and boat Commission. This is where it becomes a little off color. Order The Department amends Paragraph 2 of the General Quarantine Order and Interstate Quarantine Order it issued with respect to VHS  AS published at 37pa.b.5534 to read in its entirety as follows.
I'll cut it short and get to brass tacks.
The change in Paragraph 2 is written(The term "VHS-susceptible species" Does not include the eggs of these species. Go figure.
 
As far as certified bait is concerned the use of Emerald shiners should NOT be used in any other waters other than its origin. Keep Emerald shiners in lake Erie and use alternative bait (fatheads and golden shiners) On inland lakes and streams, this would solve the issue of uncertified bait making its way inland at the same time making it possible for bait suppliers to support the sport fishing industry on the great lakes.
 
Certified bait has reached unprecedented cost and will continue to rise do to the cost and lag time involved in the certification proses. Not to mention the gas prices involved in shipping. One five gallon bucket of certified bait is at present $300.00 And is expected to increase to $80.00 a gallon by July.
Erie County's fishing license sales peak at just over 40,000, second largest in sales out of 67 counties in the commonwealth. Impassively a little over 9,000 of the 40,000 license sales are from non-residents and 3 and 7 day tourist anglers.Lake Erie great fisheries is with out question a major contributer to the sport fishing industry of the commonwealth.
 
 

Your high school language teachers should be ashamed of the two of you.



I certainly won't be happy if I have to call Harrisburg every **** time I go fishing.  These rules should be CLEARLY stated on the website, and I can't find anything about eggs NOT being legal. 

Eggy, tell 'em to pound salt for me the next time you're on the phone with them.

Egg sac,

I had the same conversation myself last week, and it all comes down to who you are talking to at the time.
On the legal spectrum as of March 21 2008 the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture Bureau of animal health and diagnostic services in conjunction with the Pennsylvania fish and boat commission forwarded a Amendment of Quarantine Order; Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia Virus. To all Dealers Licensed by the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture Other bait dealers.
This would be the same letter that this post was started with by catnkirk. And it clearly makes Amends to the eggs of susceptible species.
It is quite obvious that you are a concerned angler or you would not have expended the effort to clarify this for your self.
I appreciate your effort in this matter,So Hit the Pennsylvania Bulletin (37 pa.b.6428) and you will uncover the notice of amendment of Quarantine Order. section 2 last sentence.
I personally believe that no bait from the great lakes(certified or not) should be used inland of the great lakes water shed, fish bait or egg bait.
The reasoning behind the Amendment of Quarantine Order, however simple but complicated would be;Most if not all fish egg bait comes from the great lakes water shed.That would include all jarred fish eggs (mikes eggs) Under the previous Quarantine order prior to March 21 2008 would be illegal to ship sell or trade. Simple no salmon eggs could be sold in any store unless certified VHS free. AND THAT WAS NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION .
Andy Daniels
Presque Isle Angler bait and tackle.

Thanks.  I missed that somehow.  Not much of a bait fisherman anyways.  Throw flies and spinners for trout.  You can't go wrong there. 

Then again, there's another question that may need to be asked of our wonderful commission...

Is there anything wrong with worms????

ok just found the link you were talking about
http://www.pabulletin.com/secure/data/vol37/37-49/2209.html


The term ''VHS-susceptible species'' does not include the eggs of these species.


Amendment of Quarantine Order; Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia Virus
[37 Pa.B. 6428]
[Saturday, December 8, 2007]

Recitals

A. Viral hemorrhagic septicemia (VHS) is an infectious disease caused by a rhabdovirus--the viral hemorrhagic septicemia virus (VHSV)--in a variety of fish species.

B. VHS has been designated a ''dangerous transmissible disease'' of animals under a temporary order issued by the Department of Agriculture (Department) under 3 Pa.C.S. § 2321(d) (relating to dangerous transmissible diseases). The current temporary order making this designation was published at 36 Pa.B. 7974 (December 30, 2006).

C. The Department has broad authority under the Domestic Animal Law to regulate the keeping and handling of domestic animals to exclude, contain or eliminate dangerous transmissible diseases.

D. VHS has caused death losses to various fish species in the Great Lakes and other infected waterways.

E. VHS is of particular concern to Pennsylvania's aquaculture industry, in that its presence and impact may severely limit the market for Pennsylvania-produced fish and fish products.

F. VHS virus exists within the Lake Erie and Lake Ontario Watersheds, which includes portions of Crawford, Erie and Potter Counties.

G. The Department registers ''artificial propagators'' of fish and ''dealers'' of fish under 3 Pa.C.S. §§ 4201--4223 (relating to Aquacultural Development Law). There are the Department-registered artificial propagators and dealers within the Lake Erie and the Lake Ontario Watersheds.

H. VHS virus exists in several States outside this Commonwealth, including Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio and Wisconsin.

I. There is no known treatment for VHS infection, no vaccine against this disease and no feasible live animal test that can detect the presence of VHSV.

J. The Domestic Animal Law allows at 3 Pa.C.S. § 2329 (relating to quarantine) for the establishment of a Quarantine Order under the circumstances described previously.

K. PDA established a VHS-related quarantine by Order of October 13, 2007. This was published at 37 Pa.B. 5534.

L. The referenced October 13, 2007, Quarantine Order incorporated the then-current list of ''VHS-susceptible species'' developed by the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA APHIS). USDA APHIS has since revised that list--adding some species to the list, deleting some species and clarifying the names of some species.

M. PDA seeks to amend its October 13, 2007, Quarantine Order by revising the definition of ''VHS-susceptible species'' to track with current USDA APHIS thinking on this subject.

Order

The Department amends Paragraph 2 of the General Quarantine Order and Interstate Quarantine Order it issued with respect to VHS on October 13, 2007, as published at 37 Pa.B. 5534, to read in its entirety as follows:

2. VHS-susceptible species. For purposes of this order, the term ''VHS-susceptible species'' shall include live animals, dead animals and dead animal parts of the following fish species, as well as any other fish species designated ''VHS-susceptible species'' by the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA APHIS) after the effective date of this Order:
Black Crappie (Pomoxis nigromaculatus), Bluegill (Lepomis macrochirus), Bluntnose Minnow (Pime-phales notatus), Brown Bullhead (Ictalurus nebulosus), Brown Trout (Salmo trutta), Burbot (Lota lota), Channel Catfish (Ictalurus punctatus), Chinook Salmon (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha), Emerald Shiner (Notropis atherinoides), Freshwater Drum (Aplodino-tus grunniens), Gizzard Shad (Dorosoma cepedia-num), Lake Whitefish (Coregonus clupeaformis), Largemouth Bass (Micropterus salmoides), Muskellunge (Esox masquinongy), Pike (Esox lucius), Pumpkinseed (Lepomis gibbosus), Rainbow Trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss), Rock Bass (Ambloplites rupestris), Round Goby (Neogobius melanostomus), Shorthead redhorse (Moxostoma macrolepidoptum), Silver redhorse (Moxostoma anisurum), Smallmouth Bass (Micropterus dolomieu), Spottail shiner (Notropis hudsonius), Trout-perch (Percopsis omiscomaycus), Walleye (Sander vitreus), White Bass (Morone chrysops), White Perch (Morone americana), Yellow Perch (Perca flavescens). The term ''VHS-susceptible species'' does not include the eggs of these species.

The term ''VHS-susceptible species'' does not include any of the previously-listed species if it is no longer designated a ''VHS-susceptible species'' by USDA APHIS after the date of this Order.

The referenced General Quarantine Order and Interstate Quarantine Order issued with respect to VHS on October 13, 2007, shall remain in full force and effect, with the amendment stated previously.

This Order is immediately effective on this date, and shall remain in effect unless rescinded or modified by subsequent order.

This Order shall not be construed as limiting the Department's authority to establish additional quarantine or testing requirements relating to VHS.

Hold on. If I go to Warren, buy bait in warren. If I fish in the Erie watershead, buy bait in Erie. Sounds simple to me. If there isn't a bait shop where your fishin I guess you need to learn how to use flies or spoons or roostertails or power bait or cheese...lol