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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 08:05:17
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 09:42:32
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The reason they want you to stay off the properties of the railroad tracks is.... that is where they land those black helicopters that are watching you, also, they stock the best fish in those areas and raise the biggest deers so they can keep them all to themselves.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 09:58:10
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ORIGINAL: griffon
I find it ironic (actually quite hypocritical) that all these people are all for the railroads and the blocking of access when I can guarantee that all of you have had to cross tracks to get some destination. I would bet that most of you still do and still will. Like I said, the tracks do not have to have posted property signs. If they are owned by the railroad, then they are off limits.
Griffon, There is quite a difference between driving over a set of tracks, and being in a railyard or switching station where cars are being shuffled all day long such as the gent being arrested was. I guess what some people here are attempting to do is make a point about private property and how important it is for all people (sportsman alike) to abide by a landowner's requests. I know that most, if not all of the people participating in this thread, myself included, get highly upset when accessable land in which we use to enjoy the outdoors is taken from us, but I'll bet everyone here would heed landowner's warnings to stay off private property. If you could care less, you wouldn't be here debating this issue. This issue carries way beyond RR's and landowners etc.and we can cover this topic over and over,it will always be at the forefront of outdoors minded individuals, but it all boils down to one thing: Respect. Respect for others, and to hold yourself in a high enough position to do the right thing when landowner access is an issue. Failing to do so, not only SHOULD result in the individual being punished, it gaurantees denial of other properties, and certainly accomplishes attaching a bad name to ALL sportsman. Oh yeah, let the record reflect that I do not work for any railroad or industry related to a railroad, and never have. LOL.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 10:27:42
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ORIGINAL: JumboPerch#r
The reason they want you to stay off the properties of the railroad tracks is.... that is where they land those black helicopters that are watching you, also, they stock the best fish in those areas and raise the biggest deers so they can keep them all to themselves.
Ahhh.... Now the icing on the cake: The "Conspiracy Theory" comes into play. You know, come to think of it maybe all thos trains filled with little red pellets are actually fish food, not taconite. Hmmm..... and the deer do grow unusually large in that area. You never know..............
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 10:49:15
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Thats the difference. Crossing tracks probably is not going to get you fined. Walking around a switch yard or places like that should. Then you become a danger.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 11:09:51
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Griffon, I disagree, and heres why-
I like what the railroads have done for fishing and access to rivers.
It is unfortunate that the rails to trails projects represent a signifigant downswing in industrial infrastructure, but something good has come of it. We now have some of the nicest paths and access to parts of streams that anybody could imagine, thanks to the railroads.
Look at the Youghiogheny. The entire west side of it can be walked or biked with the ease and comfort of a stroll down a sidewalk. I've ridden the stretch from West Newton to Boston and back in an afternoon, without breaking a sweat. Great scenery and rest stops along the way, and businesses growing up around the remnants of those dastardly railroads.
There is a grass roots movement in every region they pass through to preserve the riparian buffer that protects the streams that run along the lanes that have been created by the old tracks. There is more and better use of our natural resources than there has ever been. The railroads inadvertently preserved a great deal of land that could otherwise have been taken for private use and may or may not have been open for us to access.
So, Three Cheers For The Railroads! They have done more for us and our hobby than any one of us could have done in a thousand lifetimes!
WaHoo!
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 11:48:56
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Yes Thank You to Rails To Trails. They pulled a land grab here and stole about 10 miles of old RR grade. Used to drive up and down it with trucks, atvs, hunting and fishing. Now its bikes only and it is never used by them. You can take rails to trails and pack it where the sun don't shine.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 12:29:21
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"(Look at the Youghiogheny. The entire west side of it can be walked or biked with the ease and comfort of a stroll down a sidewalk. I've ridden the stretch from West Newton to Boston and back in an afternoon, without breaking a sweat. Great scenery and rest stops along the way, and businesses growing up around the remnants of those dastardly railroads.)"
That's great, what about the East side of the river? What about all of the state land on the other side of the tracks, much of which is now inaccessible ?
Aranbp, you are not accurate in your assessment. Crossing tracks can indeed get you arrested and fined
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 13:17:44
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Yea, well look at it any way you want. I'm not trying to change your point of view. Just presenting mine.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 13:26:44
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ORIGINAL: griffon
I find it ironic (actually quite hypocritical) that all these people are all for the railroads and the blocking of access when I can guarantee that all of you have had to cross tracks to get some destination. I would bet that most of you still do and still will. Like I said, the tracks do not have to have posted property signs. If they are owned by the railroad, then they are off limits.
To the private property comments, I am well aware of what private property means. I actually received permission to hunt a 350 acre stretch of property this weekend. Talked with the farmer, helped him fix a broken piece of machinery and shot a few groundhogs for him. I happen to own property also, bordering an unstocked native trout stream. Ask permission and you most likely will be given access. Currently I hunt Ohio, North Carolina, Indiana, NY, PA (mostly in Fox Chapel- so yes I understand private property). I have over 50,000 collective acres to which I have access on private property with owner permission.
As for Swinger, I have contacted all of the major railroads along with senators and congressmen to try and assist with gaining easements for all people in the outdoors. To date, nothing is being done to curb what is inevitably going to be very bad for sportsmen as a whole.
plnoldrick, you are right about the differences in motivations between Beaver and the railroads. However, Beaver only closes off a few miles of stream total. The railroads are closing off 100's of thousands of miles. Oh and by the way, Kiss my **** you jaggoff.
I also know for a fact that at least a couple of the people defending the railroads on this thread actually work for the railroads (go figure). Why don't you fellers stand up and raise your hands so that others might know who you are. I think that would clear up some of the confusion here.
i said in my post i work for the railroad. its no big secret buddy. just because i work for someplace doesnt mean i have to defend them. so whats your real story? the real reason you hate railroads so much? did you get turned down for a job or are you a trucker who's loosing work from fuel costs? or are you just the self righteous arrogant **** you seem to be who thinks you deserve everything. quit acting like a 2 year cry baby and grow up. if you would spend half as much time looking for fishing spots as you do ****ing about how the railroad screws you ya might actually find some spots you can fish. btw even though I DO work for the railroad i am not allowed to trespass when im off work. ive told you that before but like last time you'll probably call me a liar. like someone else said, i adapt. would i love for that property t be accessable? yeah your **** right. but i do what others here do and RESPECT the laws of the land. i hope you get your****handed to you by a railroad cop one day. i hate to wish bad things on people but ****holes like you deserve the 3rd degree. now if you'll excuse me i have to load my gear into the car so i can go fish someplace thats legal to be.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 13:31:17
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None of the above situations apply to me. I am in favor of supporting sportsmen and all of those who enjoy our outdoor treasures. I am not interested in supporting your employer when they close access to the masses. Isn't it time for you to retire? Go home and take a nap.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 15:23:32
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I did not mean to cause such an uproar but meant to warn people about that particular area.
Again, it is north of the Tunnel and on the west side of Connie, it is the RR yard. So stay out less you get picked up and escorted to jail. By the way, the fine is $500.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 16:37:25
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I have been trying for several minutes to think of a single place I like to fish where I need to walk across railroad tracks to reach my spot and I cannot come up with one. "No Trespassing" may not mean "keep out," but it certainly means "don't get caught."
Likewise, I have never had a train sneak up on me. When I'm near tracks, I generally look about for my own safety.
I think there is a lot of Bull$hip on both sides of this debate.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 16:48:41
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ORIGINAL: MackJ
"No Trespassing" may not mean "keep out," but it certainly means "don't get caught."
This type of BS is the reason more and more land owners choose to either close access to their land, or never offer it at all.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 16:52:30
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ORIGINAL: MackJ
"No Trespassing may not mean "keep out," but it certainly means "don't get caught."
No trespassing means one thing....NO FREAKING TRESPASSING. How hard is that to understand? Some people just don't get it, respect the landowner's rights and wishes!!
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 17:12:04
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ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
ORIGINAL: MackJ
"No Trespassing may not mean "keep out," but it certainly means "don't get caught."
No trespassing means one thing....NO FREAKING TRESPASSING. How hard is that to understand? Some people just don't get it, respect the landowner's rights and wishes!!
I thought I showed a rather keen understanding of the situation-- if you choose to trespass, you can expect to pay the price of getting caught. Speed Limit 55 means one thing .... NO GOING FASTER. Still feel holier than everyone else?
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 17:38:11
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Not that this really has anything to do with the turn of this thread...
I can see those that try and 'beat the train' in a vehicle like you see on those shows on Court TV (I'm sorry, TRU TV), but I, personally, find it odd and hard to imagine how someone can manage to get themself hit by a train on foot. There in lies a whole new meaning to 'not paying attention'...ie. I'm either deaf, blind, suicidal and/or retarded.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 17:49:01
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seriously its not like like a train is gunna pop around the corner and scare you, you should probably take the train tracks as a simple suggestion that there is probably gunna be a train there sometime or another...
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 18:02:54
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I mean it's practically no different than if I decided to just walk down the middle of the road.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 18:18:02
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ORIGINAL: cp13
seriously its not like like a train is gunna pop around the corner and scare you, you should probably take the train tracks as a simple suggestion that there is probably gunna be a train there sometime or another...
they sneak up on you faster then you think. yeah if a locomotive is going full bore your gonna hear it. but what if a train has to dump a cut of cars on a siding track because of a locked axle or something. well mr conductor doesnt put enough handbrakes on that cut of cars. that cut starts rolling away. no engine, just hundreds of thousands of pounds of weight using gravity to build speed. your walking down the gauge (center) of the track facing away. you hear something , a slight squeek,and turn back to see what it is. 10 feet from you is a cut of 30 cars loaded to the gills with coal rolling at you at 20mph. as you turn to jump out of the way the tip of your shoe nips a tie and you trip landing on the track. unless your superman your not stopping a couple hundred thousand lbs so instead you are cut into 2 pieces and die in seconds. dont think it can happen? we listen to injury reports everyday in our safety meeting. IT HAPPENS i used to feel the same way the doubters did untill i got hired on with NS. my opinion of trains and railroad work is completely different now. any of you can call B.S. on anything but have you actually worked for a railroad? untill you have you have no basis or right to tell me or any of the other people on here who work for the railroad $hit about what can and cant happen. as for you griffon.... your just an idiot. what if it was a military base on the river. would you say they have no right to block access? what about the steel mills? do you cut through thier property? oh and i should retire? im 30 retard, and the only naps i take are after reading your dumb **** posts.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 18:19:39
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ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
ORIGINAL: MackJ
"No Trespassing may not mean "keep out," but it certainly means "don't get caught."
No trespassing means one thing....NO FREAKING TRESPASSING. How hard is that to understand? Some people just don't get it, respect the landowner's rights and wishes!!
exactly. hard to imagine why some people cant grasp the concept isnt it?
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 19:42:14
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Actually Dumb**** (not real smart, are you sport?)many military bases do allow limited hunting and fishing opportunities when available by permit (too bad the railroad isn't clever enough to try the same thing perhaps). Glad to see you woke up from your nap old timer. Working for the railroad does not make you special, I expect you were special long before you were hired. Now, do you want to continue? I can go on forever if you would like and I do not lose when it comes to wars of insults (since you started with the personal attacks, I will be happy to finish). I would suggest we part and go our own ways.
post edited by griffon - 2008/03/31 19:47:57
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 20:54:06
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If people can be expected to look both ways before crossing a roadway, they can do the same with railroad tracks. Assuming you ever felt the need to walk down the center of the tracks, you have to be an idiot not to look over your shoulder every few seconds to make sure a train isn't coming.
I always respect No Trespassing signs, but I'm not going to thank the owner for excluding me from his/her land even though my intention would be to leave no trace if they permitted access. I'm going to count it as something they have a right to do by virtue of their ownership. If a railroad is excluding people from an inherently dangerous switchyard or narrow tressel, that's understandable. If they are closing off access to a large section of stream that they aren't even using just because some idiot might take an unneccessary risk, then they are punishing the responsible angler because of the stupidity of the irresponsible ones and that doesn't seem reasonable to me at all.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 21:11:46
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ORIGINAL: griffon
Actually Dumb**** (not real smart, are you sport?)many military bases do allow limited hunting and fishing opportunities when available by permit (too bad the railroad isn't clever enough to try the same thing perhaps). Glad to see you woke up from your nap old timer. Working for the railroad does not make you special, I expect you were special long before you were hired. Now, do you want to continue? I can go on forever if you would like and I do not lose when it comes to wars of insults (since you started with the personal attacks, I will be happy to finish). I would suggest we part and go our own ways.
dude your an internet hardass. nothing more, nothing less. your mouth moves and nothing but a constant stream of $hit pours out of it. you back up nothing. you have no legitimate argument. everyone here agree's trespassing is trespassing EXCEPT you however b.s. it might be. yet for some reason you continue to awe us with your 3th grade i want it now mommy now mentality. and by he way i did not know military bases gave hunting and fishing permits. nor did i ever claim to know everything. learn something new everyday, except you. you obviously know everything allready. oh btw, what would you cry like a baby and throw a temper tantrum like you are now if a military base denied you a permit? hmmm so you think im still an old timer even though im 30? that must make you what early 20's? late teens? you have nothing for kid. i can go on and on and on just like you. but im not an internet hard**** like you so i could give a $hit less. as far as your suggestions, shove them up your **** cause they mean nothing to me. so does every other retarded thing you've said come to think of it. but i am going to refrain from partaking in this thread anymore. only since you've destroyed it with your nonsensical rhetoric. so im sure now you'll have to post some rebuttal since i had the last post. more power to you and good luck at life, your REALLY gonna need it.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 21:14:08
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wont be long now until this thread goes on lockdown...plnoldrick and griffon, you guys should probably take your insults to the pm boxes...just a suggestion
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 21:18:24
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ORIGINAL: MackJ
If people can be expected to look both ways before crossing a roadway, they can do the same with railroad tracks. Assuming you ever felt the need to walk down the center of the tracks, you have to be an idiot not to look over your shoulder every few seconds to make sure a train isn't coming.
I always respect No Trespassing signs, but I'm not going to thank the owner for excluding me from his/her land even though my intention would be to leave no trace if they permitted access. I'm going to count it as something they have a right to do by virtue of their ownership. If a railroad is excluding people from an inherently dangerous switchyard or narrow tressel, that's understandable. If they are closing off access to a large section of stream that they aren't even using just because some idiot might take an unneccessary risk, then they are punishing the responsible angler because of the stupidity of the irresponsible ones and that doesn't seem reasonable to me at all.
hey i said myself it isnt reasonable. one bad apple spoils the bunch. but the unfortunate circumstances of that bad apple are the no trespassing regulations. if your like me or most of the sensable people of the world you'll adapt and figure out something while obeying the law. or you'll form an organization/group and try to get something going with the railroads. or you can take the low road like others who believe the world is thier personal playground and do what you please. but should that be your choice dont get mad when you get a fine. btw i wasnt aiming that at you, merely making a generalization.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 21:20:02
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ORIGINAL: cp13
wont be long now until this thread goes on lockdown...plnoldrick and griffon, you guys should probably take your insults to the pm boxes...just a suggestion
it should have been done from the start. i apologize to you and anyone else for our horrible display of behavior.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 21:22:51
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I have a question:
While walking RR tracks, how does one not feel the vibration of a train coming?
My reports and advice are for everyone to enjoy, not just the paying customers.
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RE: Friend areested on Connie for trespasing
2008/03/31 21:57:30
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SK, some duuds have enough trouble walking and breathing at the same time. Now, you want them to actually notice the shaking under their feet, too. Come on, be reasonable. 
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