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Re: Trump 2024
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It all depends on what agenda items he focuses on first and more importantly, how the economy acts. The market wants consistency, businesses want a set of guidelines that don’t change. That is how they can plan ahead. Obviously there are some things that can be positive and able to incorporate in their business plans. If there is a major shake up, like Musk is saying, it could have issues through all of the market. Market cycle models have been pointing to a recession for a while, it will end up happening at some point, regardless of policy. The policy can push it through or slow it down, but rarely able to stop it. If people find themselves unemployed or pay frozen, they will have little patience in a shake up. Just like inflation, many voters will blame it on who is in office, even if no connection. If that happens, no matter how good of policy is going through, there will be call for change. If they can avoid that in first two years, it would be most beneficial to focus on the more moderate policy which will keep the independent voters supporting during the midterms. History shows when full house, the more far right or far left policies are forced through while they can. Then the midterms end up being a referendum.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/10 11:21:13
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Serious question - How long do you think it’s gonna be before people turn on Trump if he can’t deliver on his promises? And I don’t mean you people who are firmly in trumps camp already I mean average voters
I'm reasonably sure "average voters" will see that "you people" will be obstructionists to any and everything he attempts to do. even when "you people" agree with it, you'll do your best to foul it if Trump proposes watch and see ..L.T.A.
Just a couple of many things that don't make sense to me. Maybe the Trump supporters here can help me understand their view. The main reason given for Trump's win is the economy, primarily inflation. Three major Trump campaign promises are: Tax cuts, massive tariffs on all imports, and deport 20M undocumented (since the official total estimate is 11M, lets just say "all" undocumented) which include almost 5 percent of the US workforce. I see all three being inflationary, how am I wrong? Another head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers. If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/10 12:04:54
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Might question the number of illegals working to make up 5% of the workforce- I live in a red town in deep blue ct and havent seen indications of that number--not even close -and I get around the state quite a bit,
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/10 12:13:21
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2024/11/10 15:25:57
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The main reason given for Trump's win is the economy, primarily inflation. economy, deficit, immigration, foreign policy weakness, agendas too far left for the majority of independents that decide elections, et al all part of it, the aggregate of which was a clear mandate and should be a wake up call to the dems JerrySThree major Trump campaign promises are: Tax cuts, massive tariffs on all imports, and deport 20M undocumented (since the official total estimate is 11M, lets just say "all" undocumented) which include almost 5 percent of the US workforce. I see all three being inflationary, how am I wrong? I don't think you are wrong, Jer. We'll have to see how much the tariffs will offset tax cuts . Little doubt in my mind, many things will cost more. Leaning isolationist personally, it's bitter pill I'm willing to swallow to bring more manufacturing back. I won't see the benefit of it, But my grandkids will I firmly believe more manufacturing here makes us a stronger, less vulnerable nation. (Covid demonstrated our vulnerability/dependency) JerrySAnother head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers. If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?
don't know. I'm not sure Musk cares. He knew he'd take a hit in sales from the greenies and leftists that loved him until he "came out" as leaning right. and who knows, maybe Musk sees more billions in gov contracts from space and com tech stuff?? ..L.T.A.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/10 12:29:23
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Might even see a lot of savings in govt dept trimming as well as restrictions on govt handouts to foreign countries both of which cost hundreds of millions annually and both have been mentioned for the chopping block.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/10 12:40:30
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The main reason given for Trump's win is the economy, primarily inflation. economy, deficit, immigration, foreign policy weakness, agendas too far left for the majority of independents that decide elections, et al all part of it, the aggregate of which was a clear mandate and should be a wake up call to the dems
JerrySThree major Trump campaign promises are: Tax cuts, massive tariffs on all imports, and deport 20M undocumented (since the official total estimate is 11M, lets just say "all" undocumented) which include almost 5 percent of the US workforce. I see all three being inflationary, how am I wrong? I don't think you are wrong, Jer. We'll have to see how much the tariffs will offset tax cuts . Little doubt in my mind, many things will cost more. Leaning isolationist personally, it's bitter pill I'm willing to swallow to bring more manufacturing back. I won't see the benefit of it, But my grandkids will I firmly believe more manufacturing here makes us a stronger, less vulnerable nation. (Covid demonstrated our vulnerability/dependency) JerrySAnother head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers. If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?
don't know. I'm not sure Musk cares. He knew he'd take a hit in sales from the greenies and leftists that loved him until he "came out" as leaning right. and who knows, maybe Musk sees more billions in gov contracts from space and com tech stuff?? ..L.T.A.
But Trump and other GOP are against bringing manufacturing back by repealing the CHIPs Act?
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/10 12:56:17
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2024/11/10 13:39:27
genieman77 I'm reasonably sure "average voters" will see that "you people" will be obstructionists to any and everything he attempts to do. even when "you people" agree with it, you'll do your best to foul it if Trump proposes watch and see ..L.T.A.
I agree. Remember, HR1 is still sittin' on Schumer's desk, (since July of '23). The best border bill yet, and should be one of the very first bills to get through the Senate, but at the same time, the filibuster is still in place, (thanks to Sinema and Manchin), and you'll see Schumer ramp up every single 'Crat in the minority to drag out putting the bill on the floor for fear that it would pass. That will be just one of their obstructions. They're not gonna agree on much of anything as they've already stated they're gonna fight, fight, fight! OTOH, if the filibuster had not been maintained, we'd now have 13 Supreme Court justices,(all liberal majority), rabid gun control, and loss of Freedom of speech through censorship. Welcome to the 10th year of TDS!!
Whenever you want to know what the Democrats are up to, watch what they accuse the other side of doing.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/10 15:13:12
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2024/11/10 15:27:00
JerryS But Trump and other GOP are against bringing manufacturing back by repealing the CHIPs Act?
welp, I'll suggest that's political rhetoric not based on reality. maybe it had more to do with hundreds of billions going to pork projects like ecosystems, DEI and research grants rather than actual subsidies to build CHIP plants To suggest they're against manufacturing is political baloney talking points for nincompoops to regurgitate ..L.T.A.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/10 18:10:41
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 06:20:41
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2024/11/11 09:02:08
This mess the country is in can be summed up to this If Trump does just one thing just one he has promised this country will be 100% better off than it was under dumb and dumber administration.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 07:34:54
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☄ Helpfulby r3g3 2024/11/11 09:03:12
There is a lot of media attention focused on “the resistance” — not of policies, but of any policies put forth by Trump — simply because of the source of the proposal and not because of the content of the proposal. In other words, against anything if if was a Trump idea, even if those forming the resistance have constituents that may favor the policy — such as things like no tax on tips, no tax on OT, no tax on SS (just examples because there are folks who don’t mind giving money to the government).
To see just how much resolve the resistance has, if the GOP has all three branches, then each policy, such as the above, needs put in separate, one-page bills, with no riders, simply something like, “starting on X date there will no longer be a federal income tax on (fill in the blank). That’s it. Vote on it. Get as many if these on the floor in 2 years as possible. Done will pass, others will not.
Then let your constituents decide in the next house or senate election if they prefer the policy (takes Trump out of the equation) or prefers resistance to Trump at any cost, even personally financial.
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Re: Trump 2024
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 09:04:48
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TRUMP winning again. Sooo many just can't stand it lol
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 09:40:44
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JerryS Just a couple of many things that don't make sense to me. Maybe the Trump supporters here can help me understand their view. The main reason given for Trump's win is the economy, primarily inflation. Three major Trump campaign promises are: Tax cuts, massive tariffs on all imports, and deport 20M undocumented (since the official total estimate is 11M, lets just say "all" undocumented) which include almost 5 percent of the US workforce. I see all three being inflationary, how am I wrong? Another head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers. If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?
Good points, Jerry. If you spend time in the southwest, it seems like every restaurant, grocery store and other service related industries have a high percentage immigrants in their workforce. These immigrants are also consumers so removing them would also remove money flow from the economy. Unless of course you can replace all those immigrants with American workers who would probably require higher wages. So yea, inflationary. Tariffs would most likely be the biggest inflationary threat. Trump repeats that foreign nations pay these tariffs but I haven't found any proof of that. The reason that Industry out source is because it's cheaper to produce overseas than the US. When Industry pays more, they charge more. If they could have it made here at the same price, they would, but they can't. Also, the tit for tat tariff war that follows would have an impact on US exports. Elon Musk gambled $150 million in campaign contributions. No one knows what his strategy is. I'm sure it's going to pay off somehow.
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Re: Trump 2024
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Re: Trump 2024
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Correct me if I’m wrong but the president no matter who he/she is can’t just up and deport undocumented immigrants. Maybe the criminals but the others once they are here have rights and have to go through the legal system. I can’t imagine how long that would take so I suppose most of them if they choose to do so will stay here.
How did the person who invented the first clock know what time it was?
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 10:49:42
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JerryS Another head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers. If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?
I can only speculate because there is no way my brain can think and process with the likes of an Elon Musk type noggin. Tesla is the only profitable car maker in the US. It's also has the most American built vehicle in the US. The elimination of the $7500 EV rebate would probably hurt GM and Ford more as both have been putting a dent in Tesla's EV sales. Maybe he looks at this in a way that helps secure Tesla's dominance in the EV market. It hurts his business but hurts his competitors much more. Or maybe Trump promised him not to cut or just partially cut the EV rebate. Maybe? Now, tariffs would hurt GM and Ford across the board much more than Tesla as those two import a high percentage of parts from overseas and their profit margins are already razor thin so, both tariffs or sourcing all their components domestically increases Ford's and GM cost to build which increases the MSRP. All good for Tesla's pricing power and could make buying a Tesla more attractive. 50% of Ford's F-150 components are made overseas. Plastic parts are made in China. The Tesla Cyber Truck (and Honda Ridgeline) is the most American made pickup trucks sold in the US which would be less hurt by tariffs.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 11:11:44
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dano Good points, Jerry. If you spend time in the southwest, it seems like every restaurant, grocery store and other service related industries have a high percentage immigrants in their workforce. These immigrants are also consumers so removing them would also remove money flow from the economy. Unless of course you can replace all those immigrants with American workers who would probably require higher wages. So yea, inflationary.
Not just the southwest. Anywhere I travel, I notice all the hotels use immigrants for the housekeeping staff. When visiting larger cities I see construction crews staffed primarily with immigrant workers. Studies show undocumented workers pay almost $100B in taxes every year, including Social Security and Medicare even though they are not eligible for these benefits. They also pay higher income tax rates than US citizens since they are not eligible for most of the tax credits. I admit the southern border has gotten out of control, and needs addressed, but mass deportation of hard working, law abiding undocumented immigrants is counter-productive. Trump has convinced his followers that the undocumented are the reason for all our society ills, specifically their own lack of success.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 12:02:26
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JerryS But Trump and other GOP are against bringing manufacturing back by repealing the CHIPs Act?
welp, I'll suggest that's political rhetoric not based on reality. maybe it had more to do with hundreds of billions going to pork projects like ecosystems, DEI and research grants rather than actual subsidies to build CHIP plants To suggest they're against manufacturing is political baloney talking points for nincompoops to regurgitate ..L.T.A.
Off-shore labor is the bread-and-butter of our capitalist country. Trump and all his lobbyists wanting to bring the manufacturing back to the US is not based on reality.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 12:11:28
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Just because some people on the lower end of the work scale are dark and speak another language doesnt mean they are here illegally, they came and now work hard and are assimilating just like the ancestors of so many of us.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 12:51:30
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r3g3 Just because some people on the lower end of the work scale are dark and speak another language doesnt mean they are here illegally, they came and now work hard and are assimilating just like the ancestors of so many of us.
I thought you were MAGA. Could have been here 5 generations, still illegals.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 12:55:23
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dano Good points, Jerry. If you spend time in the southwest, it seems like every restaurant, grocery store and other service related industries have a high percentage immigrants in their workforce. These immigrants are also consumers so removing them would also remove money flow from the economy. Unless of course you can replace all those immigrants with American workers who would probably require higher wages. So yea, inflationary.
Not just the southwest. Anywhere I travel, I notice all the hotels use immigrants for the housekeeping staff. When visiting larger cities I see construction crews staffed primarily with immigrant workers. Studies show undocumented workers pay almost $100B in taxes every year, including Social Security and Medicare even though they are not eligible for these benefits. They also pay higher income tax rates than US citizens since they are not eligible for most of the tax credits. I admit the southern border has gotten out of control, and needs addressed, but mass deportation of hard working, law abiding undocumented immigrants is counter-productive. Trump has convinced his followers that the undocumented are the reason for all our society ills, specifically their own lack of success.
What part of illegal don't you guys understand also there not law abiding folks if they.Correct me if im wrong There here as criminals right lOur crops and hotels and landscapers have been here for years they have green cards and have been doing that work for lazy americans for decades.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 13:14:55
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Well Trump is expected to announce Stephen miller as deputy chief of staff. And Tom Homan is gonna be his border czar. I think between the two of them we can 100% definitely expect caring, humane, compassionate treatment of all immigrant vermin. We can agree on that, right?
Also just because Tom Homan was one of the authors of 2025, trump has still never heard of project 2025.
And even if the people that wrote project 2025 all end up in trumps cabinet, Trump still doesn’t know anything about it and the people that literally said “here is what we are gonna do once we are in power” won’t actually do those things once they are in power, right?
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 13:15:39
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☄ Helpfulby genieman77 2024/11/11 13:26:48
Hey Pork Some of my ancestors were here before Columbus lol Most others came later. The neighborhood I live in looks like the league of nations and everyone gets along just fine. Actually the whole area is part of what used to be our family farm. Most here in Ct are in constant contact with people from first and second generation Americans some still learning the language, heck back in HS some friends had to interpret for their parents who were still learning English. I held elected office 3 times in a Ct city as a DEMOCRAT--even voted for Obama his first time running. Was on the nominating committee for a sitting Dem Congressman and very good friends with a Cabinet members first generation American family. Then the big left lurch happened and I got the hell OUT and am a happily registered independent. MAGA--YES as are so many in my present Ct red town. Some of us were middle of the road old fashioned Dems- but as Reagan said "I didnt leave the party-it left me". Heck if JFK were running today I believe this new far left lib Dem party would call him a conservative. Wayyyy past time for a big reset. hey
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 13:24:34
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JerryS Off-shore labor is the bread-and-butter of our capitalist country. Trump and all his lobbyists wanting to bring the manufacturing back to the US is not based on reality.
It's interesting to me how the dem faithful have become water boys for big corp capitalists now. Once in favor of tariffs and domestic worker protectionism, now it's all about corp profits??? sell out to China and India in the intere$t of higher corp profits...yeah, that's the ticket Bernie is right, the dem party is no longer for the working man. ..L.T.A.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 13:49:49
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Remember - Ron Reagan was a California Democrat and Donald Trump was a New York City Democrat. The parties have both changed. Heck -and I was a Blue Ct Democrat--but certainly not in the class of the above two - lol
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 14:05:55
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Finally a much needed nice long soaking rain. Most of the people I know think the S.S. no tax is just so great. They have no clue when they say instant tax break and they only receive 2 grand a month or less & not reporting extra income ($25,000 year). They are so uninformed on what b.s. the candidates preach over and over they are going to do. How many billions did the Govt. steal in the past from the program? The Republicans wanted to raise the age to 70 but was shut down by the Dems. No way the no tax on S.S. will get off the floor even when it benefits the middle class and wealthy. Just another false promise. That wall was surely the answer. Even if deport it won't matter if the boarder is not secure first. Deporting all illegals will make inflation go way higher than the tariffs. Deport all & tariffs, tariffs and more tariffs like he has been campaigning on = GOOD LUCK you will need it. https://www.statesman.com...trump-did/72120774007/
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 14:15:45
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r3g3 Remember - Ron Reagan was a California Democrat and Donald Trump was a New York City Democrat. The parties have both changed. Heck -and I was a Blue Ct Democrat--but certainly not in the class of the above two - lol
Reagan gave 3 million illegal immigrants legal status for $185. Trump wants them all thrown out of the country.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 14:51:01
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In Reagans time thats all there were outstanding and all had gone through the legit entry process. In Trumps time that's just about how many they know of that got in just last year, plus gotaways and more who just walked in w/o being stopped. Huge difference. Kinda think you already knew that though. Nice try.
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Re: Trump 2024
2024/11/11 15:24:35
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The way Trump talks in is general terms, with talking heads interpreting everything after the fact, who knows what much of this will look like in legislation format. From the spin prior to the election, some said deporting any violent criminal, some said all here illegally. Unless they know they are a flight risk to return, I have no issue with the violent criminals being deported. I find it hard to believe this wasn’t happening. If we know it is safer to keep here (knowing that they will likely return), then I’m fine with exceptions to keep them here incarcerated. Yes, paying for them stinks, but the risk of them returning if violent and actively involved in something organized that the chances of returning are high.
Until we see what any of the legislation looks like, it is just speculation. Each side presenting what their media sources are providing.
With things like untaxed overtime and untaxed tips, do companies push more into salary positions if it is beneficial to them? Do salaried employees walk off the jobs to take on hourly positions? What will the definition of tip be? Can an employer “tip” their employee? Will more businesses charge a certain rate and “expect” tips in their contracts? Will salaried employees that work overtime be able to count part of their salary as untaxed overtime?
It will be interesting to see how so many of these vague “policies” are put into legislation. I can be convinced just about all of the policies sound good if turned into legislation in favorable ways…
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