Emerald Shiners 
snobrder151
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Emerald Shiners
Just a reminder that the Emerald shiners MUST stay in the lake erie watershed. Presque Isle, the tribs and the lake are ok to have Emerald shiners. If you want to take shiners inland you have to get certified VHS FREE shiners and paperwork to carry with you. A few fish through the ice isn't worth the fine.
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 01:16:59
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 08:04:40
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Just got an answer back from the PFBC on a couple questions concerning emerald shiners.
Comments: Two questions on emerald shiners..
1. Is it legal to use Salted Emerald shiners for bait out of the Lake
Erie watershed??
2. Is it legal to import Emerald shiners from NY state into PA if they
are purchased at a certified VHS free baitshop???
1. Only if they are certified VHS free.
2. For fishing purposes, yes.
Didn't realize the salted had to be certified VHS free.
What about the ones that are sold in China-Mart that come in bags. They are emerald shiners.
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 08:24:09
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ORIGINAL: bingsbaits
Just got an answer back from the PFBC on a couple questions concerning emerald shiners.
Comments: Two questions on emerald shiners..
1. Is it legal to use Salted Emerald shiners for bait out of the Lake
Erie watershed??
2. Is it legal to import Emerald shiners from NY state into PA if they
are purchased at a certified VHS free baitshop???
1. Only if they are certified VHS free.
2. For fishing purposes, yes.
Didn't realize the salted had to be certified VHS free.
What about the ones that are sold in China-Mart that come in bags. They are emerald shiners.
I think that the rule on the salted shiner is new this year.(not completely sure) but you are correct they must be certified. As for the ones at walmart I wouldn't take them unless you get paperwork stating they are VHS free.
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 10:17:43
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Does anyone know where a guy can get CERTIFIED VHS FREE emeralds??
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 10:45:24
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Illegal to use any fish parts taken from the Lake Erie Watershed(including tributaries) for bait south of I-90.
That includes fish eggs and parts, Salted or not, live or dead.
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 11:10:32
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 11:32:37
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Just use the p- flash minnow then you don't have to worry.
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 13:23:18
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ORIGINAL: centerpin_drift
Just use the p- flash minnow then you don't have to worry.
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yeah you could just do that. lol @ centerpin
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 14:33:00
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RULES AND REGULATIONS Title 58--RECREATION FISH AND BOAT COMMISSION [ 58 PA. CODE CH. 69 ]
Fishing; Fishing in Lake Erie and Boundary Lakes
[37 Pa.B. 6402]
[Saturday, December 8, 2007]
The Fish and Boat Commission (Commission) amends Chapter 69 (relating to fishing in Lake Erie and boundary lakes). The Commission is publishing this final-form rulemaking under the authority of 30 Pa.C.S. (relating to the Fish and Boat Code) (code). A. Effective Date The final-form rulemaking will go into effect on January 1, 2008, and not upon publication in the Pennsylvania Bulletin as stated in the notice of proposed rulemaking. B. Contact Personwww.fish.state.pa.us. C. Statutory Authority The addition of § 69.3 (relating to transportation of VHS-susceptible fish out of the Lake Erie watershed) is published under the statutory authority of section 2102 of the code (relating to rules and regulations). D. Purpose and Background The final-form rulemaking is designed to improve, enhance and update the Commission's fishing regulations. The specific purpose of the new regulation is described in more detail under the summary of changes. E. Summary of Changes An infectious fish disease, caused by a variant of Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia (VHS) Virus, has caused mortalities in the Great Lakes. Fish mortalities, where VHS has been isolated, have been confirmed since as early as 2003. Mortalities of muskies, yellow perch and gizzard shad were reported from Lake St. Clair, the St. Clair River in Michigan and western Lake Erie near Detroit in the spring of 2006. As spring progressed, freshwater drum, white bass and yellow perch mortalities were reported from western and central Lake Erie, including areas near the Pennsylvania/Ohio border. The disease was also reported from Lake Ontario. In 2007, VHS was confirmed in Lake Michigan, several inland lakes in Wisconsin and the New York Finger Lakes. Other variants of VHS known from Europe and the western United States have caused significant mortality in hatchery fish. On October 24, 2006, the United States Department of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) issued an emergency order prohibiting the importation of certain live fish species from the Canadian provinces of Ontario and Quebec into the United States. In addition, export of live fish of 37 VHS-susceptible species was prohibited from the eight Great Lake boundary states: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. On November 14, 2006, APHIS issued an amended order that allowed restricted movement under requirements for testing and certification that fish are VHS-free. On May 4, 2007, APHIS further amended the order to allow for catch and release fishing activities. In an effort to contain this disease, the Commission proposed to make it unlawful to transport live fish out of the Pennsylvania portion of the Lake Erie watershed. A notice of proposed rulemaking was published at 37 Pa.B. 1218 (March 17, 2007). By separate notice published at 37 Pa.B. 731 (February 10, 2007), the Executive Director, acting under the authority of § 65.25 (relating to temporary changes to fishing regulations), took immediate action to make it unlawful to transport or cause the transportation of live fish out of the Pennsylvania portion of the Lake Erie watershed. The temporary modification went into effect immediately and will remain in effect until January 1, 2008. It should be noted that the notice of proposed rulemaking and the Executive Director's temporary modification of fishing regulations were broadly crafted to address not only VHS, but other diseases and invasive species as well. However, it has become increasingly apparent to the Commission that VHS is an issue that must be addressed separately and that the broader issue of invasive species and diseases other than VHS will have to be addressed as part of a separate rulemaking package at a later date. Subsequent to the Commission's publication of a notice of proposed rulemaking and the Executive Director's action to temporarily modify the regulations, other Great Lakes states have been developing and promulgating regulations. In those states, certification of fish and fish production facilities, as having tested and found negative for VHS, is a frequent basis for permitting the transport and introduction of susceptible fish species. Therefore, the Commission modified the proposed regulation on final-form rulemaking to allow the transportation of VHS-susceptible fish out of the Lake Erie watershed when one of the following conditions is met: (1) The fish are being transported to a disease testing facility. (2) The fish are from a group of fish certified as having been tested and test results were negative for VHS based on approved testing protocols. (3) The fish are from a fish production facility certified as having been tested and test results were negative for VHS based on approved testing protocols. (4) The fish are being transported to a slaughter facility, processing plant or restaurant. (5) The fish are dead, recreationally caught fish that are being transported solely for human consumption. Species of fish that are susceptible to VHS will be defined by the Commission by notice published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin. Initially, the list will contain the following fish species: black crappie (Pomoxis nigromaculatus), bluegill (Lepomis macrochirus), bluntnose minnow (Pimephales notatus), brown bullhead (Ictalurus nebulosus), brown trout (Salmo trutta), burbot (Lota lota), channel catfish (Ictalurus punctatus), chinook salmon (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha), coho salmon (Oncorhynchus kisutch), emerald shiner (Notropis atherinoides), freshwater drum (Aplodinotus grunniens), gizzard shad (Dorosoma cepedianum), herring (Clupea spp), largemouth bass (Micropterus salmoides), muskellunge (Esox masquinongy), northern pike (Esox lucius), pink salmon (Onchorhynchus gorbuscha), pumpkinseed (Lepomis gibbosus), rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss), redhorse sucker (Moxostoma spp), rock bass (Ambloplites rupestris), smallmouth bass (Micropterus dolomieu), walleye (Sander vitreus), white bass (Morone chrysops), white perch (Morone Americana), whitefish (Coregonus spp) and yellow perch (Perca flavescens). The Commission also adopted restrictions on the use of VHS-susceptible fish, parts thereof or their eggs as fishbait in Commonwealth waters outside the Lake Erie watershed. Commission staff met on several occasions with staff from the Department of Agriculture (Department) in an effort to develop a coordinated approach for dealing with VHS. There is a significant amount of overlap in the jurisdictional responsibilities of the agencies. The Commission has broad jurisdiction under the code, and the Department has jurisdiction under both the Domestic Animal Law and the Aquacultural Development Law. By notice published at 37 Pa.B. 5534 (October 13, 2007), the Department issued a quarantine order that addresses intraState and interstate movement of VHS-susceptible species of fish by propagators and dealers registered with the Department. This order is consistent with the Commission's new regulation. It is the intent of the Commission to continue to work with the Department so that the agencies have a common approach for addressing this issue. F. Paperwork The final-form rulemaking will not increase paperwork and will create no new paperwork requirements. G. Fiscal Impact The final-form rulemaking will have no adverse fiscal impact on the Commonwealth or its political subdivisions. The final-form rulemaking will impose no new costs on the private sector or the general public. H. Public Involvement A notice of proposed rulemaking was published at 37 Pa.B. 1218 (March 17, 2007), and the Commission did not receive any public comments regarding the proposal. Findings The Commission finds that: (1) Public notice of intention to adopt the regulation adopted by this order has been given under sections 201 and 202 of the act of July 31, 1968 (P. L. 769, No. 240) (45 P. S. §§ 1201 and 1202) and the regulations promulgated thereunder, 1 Pa. Code §§ 7.1 and 7.2. (2) A public comment period was provided, and no comments were received. (3) The adoption of the regulation of the Commission in the manner provided in this order is necessary and appropriate for administration and enforcement of the authorizing statutes. Order The Commission, acting under the authorizing statutes, orders that: (a) The regulations of the Commission, 58 Pa. Code Chapter 69, are amended by adding § 69.3 to read as set forth in Annex A. (b) The Executive Director will submit this order and Annex A to the Office of Attorney General for approval as to legality as required by law. (c) The Executive Director shall certify this order and Annex A and deposit them with the Legislative Reference Bureau as required by law. (d) This order shall take effect on January 1, 2008. For further information on the final-form rulemaking, contact Laurie E. Shepler, Esq., P. O. Box 67000, Harrisburg, PA 17106-7000, (717) 705-7810. This final-form rulemaking is available on the Commission's website at DOUGLAS J. AUSTEN, Ph.D.,
Executive Director Fiscal Note: Fiscal Note 48A-191 remains valid for the final adoption of the subject regulation. Annex A TITLE 58. RECREATION PART II. FISH AND BOAT COMMISSION Subpart B. Fishing CHAPTER 69. FISHING IN LAKE ERIE AND BOUNDARY LAKES. § 69.3. Transportation of VHS-susceptible fish out of the Lake Erie watershed. (a) For purposes of this section, species of fish that are susceptible to Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia (VHS) are those species that the Commission has defined as such by notice published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin. (b) It is unlawful to transport or cause the transportation of VHS-susceptible species of fish out of the portion of the Lake Erie watershed in this Commonwealth into other watersheds of this Commonwealth except when one of the following conditions is met: (1) The fish are being transported to a disease testing facility and the persons transporting the fish have taken adequate measures to prevent escape and to disinfect discharged water and equipment used in the transportation of the fish and the fish are accompanied in transit by documentation stating the point of origin of the fish and the destination to which they are to be delivered for testing. (2) The fish are from a group of fish certified as having tested negative for VHS in accordance with the testing protocols adopted by the Department of Agriculture (Department) and approved by the Commission. Persons selling the fish shall have in their possession, and present upon the request of an officer authorized to enforce the code, a copy of the fish health certification reports for all VHS-susceptible fish owned or kept at the place of sale. (3) The fish are from an artificial propagation facility certified as having tested negative for VHS in accordance with the testing protocols adopted by the Department and approved by the Commission. Artificial propagation facilities shall have in their possession, and present upon the request of an officer authorized to enforce the code, a copy of the fish health certification report for the facility. (4) The fish are being transported to a slaughter facility, processing plant or restaurant and the fish are accompanied in transit by documentation stating the point of origin of the fish and the destination to which they are to be delivered for slaughter, processing or consumption. (5) The fish are dead, recreationally caught fish that are being transported solely for the purpose of human consumption. (c) It is unlawful to use VHS-susceptible species of fish, parts thereof or their eggs taken from the Lake Erie watershed as fishbait in Commonwealth waters outside the Lake Erie watershed except when the fish are from a group of fish certified as having tested negative for VHS or are from an artificial propagation facility certified as having tested negative for VHS. [Pa.B. Doc. No. 07-2199. Filed for public inspection December 7, 2007, 9:00 a.m.]
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bingsbaits
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/24 16:28:17
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Last I got was at the Happy Hooker on Chautaqua lake. But that was last year.
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/27 07:53:23
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What is this p flash minnow you speak of??
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/27 10:02:45
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I would also like to know where I could aquire the approved emerals for the first day of trout below I-90.
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/27 10:59:40
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ORIGINAL: centerpin_drift
Just use the p- flash minnow then you don't have to worry.
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AMEN
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/02/27 13:06:58
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Presque Isle Angler had them last year.Certified Minnows that is.
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/03/01 13:21:58
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So are you saying it's not OK then?
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RE: Emerald Shiners
2008/03/01 13:25:43
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Anybody know if it is legal to use a cast net to catch emerald shiners in the lake and use them? I cna only find regs for some lake out east. The bulletin reads that you cannot use a cast net anywhere but there. It seems kind of ridiculous if you can't considering I see thousands of them when I'm trolling around.
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