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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/05/08 13:05:02 (permalink)
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 If the democrats are moving towards socialist tendencies then the republican party is moving more and more towards an authoritarian, dictatorial mind set and it may be spinning out of control.  The old men who run things in this country know not what they do.  



 
 
Could you help an old guy out who does not have the new edition of the Democrat dictionary of redefined words, and give me a few examples to justify your opinion that the Republican party is authoritarian/ dictatorial, or moving there.
 
 




January 6th...the rhetoric leading up to it. 
 
Donald Trump's insistence on not filling cabinet positions in the government and creating constant upheaval when he did do so to seat loyalists who weren't necessarily experts or public servants, but who were people beholden to him.  
 
Trump's alignment with dictatorial leaders throughout the world.  He ball cupped them.  Change my mind.  
 
The cultish vision in general.  He is a defeated president but has created a movement that puts him at the head of it.  Everyone who isn't a loyal adorer is an "anti" or a RINO.  They couldn't possibly just have a different opinion.  They are traitors to the cause.  This isn't something that's seen in other "party politics".  
 
The "Big Lie" that ,if perpetuated, will tear the country apart.  




Wasn’t Trump the outsider who won the Republican nomination? Unlike the Democrats, the Republican still have a legitimate primary system where the people choose the candidate. The Dems have a sham of a primary where the candidate is picked, and the base will obediently support the choice no matter who it is.
 
Wasn’t Trump the guy who the Dems used the FBI, and the rest of the DOJ in a fail coup attempt to remove a legitimately elected President from office? You haven’t forgot that one have you? 
 
Who was it that sent the freedom loving Iranian regime tens of billions of dollars so they could continue spreading love, and freedom through out the middle east? 
 
I am only pointing out that the Democrat party is more dictatorial/authoritative then the Republicans, but are never described that way, when the Republicans always seem to be. Think about it.
 
 
 
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/05/08 13:07:10 (permalink)
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The Democrats do the same type of things


Ah, the old Pee Wee Herman argument.

“I know you are but what am I.”



Just pointing out the hypocrisy that lives in all your posts.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/05/08 13:18:35 (permalink)
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 If the democrats are moving towards socialist tendencies then the republican party is moving more and more towards an authoritarian, dictatorial mind set and it may be spinning out of control.  The old men who run things in this country know not what they do.  



 
 
Could you help an old guy out who does not have the new edition of the Democrat dictionary of redefined words, and give me a few examples to justify your opinion that the Republican party is authoritarian/ dictatorial, or moving there.
 
 




January 6th...the rhetoric leading up to it. 
 
Donald Trump's insistence on not filling cabinet positions in the government and creating constant upheaval when he did do so to seat loyalists who weren't necessarily experts or public servants, but who were people beholden to him.  
 
Trump's alignment with dictatorial leaders throughout the world.  He ball cupped them.  Change my mind.  
 
The cultish vision in general.  He is a defeated president but has created a movement that puts him at the head of it.  Everyone who isn't a loyal adorer is an "anti" or a RINO.  They couldn't possibly just have a different opinion.  They are traitors to the cause.  This isn't something that's seen in other "party politics".  
 
The "Big Lie" that ,if perpetuated, will tear the country apart.  




Wasn’t Trump the outsider who won the Republican nomination? Unlike the Democrats, the Republican still have a legitimate primary system where the people choose the candidate. The Dems have a sham of a primary where the candidate is picked, and the base will obediently support the choice no matter who it is.
 
Wasn’t Trump the guy who the Dems used the FBI, and the rest of the DOJ in a fail coup attempt to remove a legitimately elected President from office? You haven’t forgot that one have you? 
 
Who was it that sent the freedom loving Iranian regime tens of billions of dollars so they could continue spreading love, and freedom through out the middle east? 
 
I am only pointing out that the Democrat party is more dictatorial/authoritative then the Republicans, but are never described that way, when the Republicans always seem to be. Think about it.
 
 
 



None of these things are authoritarian.

Also, #2 and #3 didn’t actually happen, and #1 is debatable.

This is why we can’t have a conversation. You live in a different reality.

Whereas it is not debatable that Trump relies heavily on “law and order” rhetoric (which is a hallmark of authoritarian governments), your “proof” of Democrat authoritarian behavior is basically “BUt DeEP sTATe!!!”
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/05/08 15:48:18 (permalink)
never mind- aint worth the ink
 
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/05/08 18:46:21 (permalink)
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 If the democrats are moving towards socialist tendencies then the republican party is moving more and more towards an authoritarian, dictatorial mind set and it may be spinning out of control.  The old men who run things in this country know not what they do.  



 
 
Could you help an old guy out who does not have the new edition of the Democrat dictionary of redefined words, and give me a few examples to justify your opinion that the Republican party is authoritarian/ dictatorial, or moving there.
 
 




January 6th...the rhetoric leading up to it. 
 
Donald Trump's insistence on not filling cabinet positions in the government and creating constant upheaval when he did do so to seat loyalists who weren't necessarily experts or public servants, but who were people beholden to him.  
 
Trump's alignment with dictatorial leaders throughout the world.  He ball cupped them.  Change my mind.  
 
The cultish vision in general.  He is a defeated president but has created a movement that puts him at the head of it.  Everyone who isn't a loyal adorer is an "anti" or a RINO.  They couldn't possibly just have a different opinion.  They are traitors to the cause.  This isn't something that's seen in other "party politics".  
 
The "Big Lie" that ,if perpetuated, will tear the country apart.  




Wasn’t Trump the outsider who won the Republican nomination? Unlike the Democrats, the Republican still have a legitimate primary system where the people choose the candidate. The Dems have a sham of a primary where the candidate is picked, and the base will obediently support the choice no matter who it is.
 
Wasn’t Trump the guy who the Dems used the FBI, and the rest of the DOJ in a fail coup attempt to remove a legitimately elected President from office? You haven’t forgot that one have you? 
 
Who was it that sent the freedom loving Iranian regime tens of billions of dollars so they could continue spreading love, and freedom through out the middle east? 
 
I am only pointing out that the Democrat party is more dictatorial/authoritative then the Republicans, but are never described that way, when the Republicans always seem to be. Think about it.
 
 
 



None of these things are authoritarian.

Also, #2 and #3 didn’t actually happen, and #1 is debatable.

This is why we can’t have a conversation. You live in a different reality.

Whereas it is not debatable that Trump relies heavily on “law and order” rhetoric (which is a hallmark of authoritarian governments), your “proof” of Democrat authoritarian behavior is basically “BUt DeEP sTATe!!!”



So then both your, and LDD’s examples are not authoritarian either, or are  they only authoritarian when Republicans do it. You’re reenforcing my point.
 
I seem to remember something about a special council headed by some guy named Mueller about four years ago. That didn’t happen? Or do you guys have a new spin on it that I haven’t heard yet? Admittedly I don’t keep up too much with the Democrat censored “news” sources. They’re a bit too Soviet era Stalin like for my tastes.
 
We truly do live in two different realities, I do agree with you on that. Most people in my reality believe, and understand that “law and order” is the backbone, and basis of a civil society. 
 
 
 
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/05/08 18:49:02 (permalink)
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never mind- aint worth the ink
 




You right about that. A pure waste of electrons
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/05/08 19:52:04 (permalink)
Interesting stuff the past couple of days. seems the DOJ is concerned about some potential issues in the recount and the Arizona Senate has told them that all is secure- Basically dont worry- we got it.
 
Funny how so many ( always Dems or press) are so worried about whats going on in Arizona and talking about irregularities that haven't happened- but might in their opinions.
 
Havent heard one of them say--Hey this is good, because it will likely put the whole issue to bed.
 
Like I said- dont think much is gonna come of it but every time I read about who is yelling and shouting and trying to publicly demean the process it kinda makes me wonder whats keeping them up at night?
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 00:22:32 (permalink)
When the heck does this thing report the findings? 

Are we expecting a Yes or No type deal, or what's goin on?
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 07:50:18 (permalink)
A forensic Audit is different than a regular audit= it takes a much deeper dive,
They say a couple of more weeks.
Now Pa is thinking of doing it too.
 
Arizona is getting absolutely pounded by the press over the audit making it sound like a group of idiots  are preparing it- thus  a huge effort to negate any findings at all in the process.
One of the things they are getting vilified over seems to be an effort to see what kind of paper the ballots are on.
Guess  its that some phony ballots may have been copies on a different paper than the state uses.
Thats a deeper dive than I had imagined but kinda seems to makes sense when doing a forensic study.
The press made them to be fools to do that instead of looking at it like it could be used either way in the end.
Lots of folks out there trying to make this appear to be  a foolhardy venture==WHY ??
 
One thing I would like to know is how many ballots did the State send out and how many were returned .
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 10:14:27 (permalink)
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A forensic Audit is different than a regular audit= it takes a much deeper dive,
They say a couple of more weeks.
Now Pa is thinking of doing it too.


Oh boy. Can’t wait. Some estimates of the cost of the AZ audit to taxpayers are as high as $6 million. So Im really looking forward to the day when the republicans in the PA general assembly decide its wise to waste millions of PA taxpayer dollars on imaginary election fraud. “Fiscally conservative” indeed.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 10:19:53 (permalink)
Look at it this way- 6 MIll is cheap to find out if it happened or not - and  put this behind us.
I dont look at it like us vs them, but a final chapter in this crazy debate.
Frankly I hope they find nothing- it will be a good thing if we had a rightful election and can prove it to those who question our democracy.
This will either prove the election was rightful or open a box of huge magnitude.
Still wonder about the negatives being thrown around like one that says they have to find over 700,000 improper votes- thought the difference in Arizona was only several thousand.
The constant berating of the process could make the naysayers  cringe as they could be shooting themselves in the foot if nothing is found as they so loudly proclaim this to be incorrectly done.
 
Remember I was among the first here- although I didnt like it- to say OK Biden won.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 10:48:18 (permalink)
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Look at it this way- 6 MIll is cheap to find out if it happened or not - and  put this behind us.
I dont look at it like us vs them, but a final chapter in this crazy debate.
Frankly I hope they find nothing- it will be a good thing if we had a rightful election and can prove it to those who question our democracy.
This will either prove the election was rightful or open a box of huge magnitude.


$6 million is cheap to find out something that we already know?

So is it going to cost taxpayers $6 million every time republicans lose?

This a right wing fantasy. Just like the hordes of immigrants, or the war on Christmas, or Obama is coming to take your guns, or death panels, or any of the other imaginary bogeymen that right wing media drills into your brain.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 12:00:38 (permalink)
And the right wing media appears to be your bogeyman.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 12:07:13 (permalink)
Actually no, the people that believe the right wing media horseshiit and vote accordingly are my bogeyman. I’m pretty sure those people are very real.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 13:05:52 (permalink)
And the billions for the border crashers are ok with you?
Oh Yea- forgot that a Biden thing and as long as the Dems are OK with it you are too-
 
Your TDS is showing--again
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 13:54:44 (permalink)
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Actually no, the people that believe the right wing media horseshiit and vote accordingly are my bogeyman. I’m pretty sure those people are very real.



What about the people that believe the left wing horseshiit, and vote accordingly? They are all too real, while unreal at the same time.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 15:08:46 (permalink)
They complain about Donald claiming election fraud but say nothing about Stacy  running for office in Georgia as a Dem who still says the same thing.
 
TDS can be blinding.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 15:14:32 (permalink)
If you get the vaccine you will get 3 extra pre filled out ballots for the next election!!
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 15:22:30 (permalink)
I had the shots and very likely the disease early on- but to have a Govt Rep come to my door about the shots just doesnt seem right.
Unless, of course, if they are also selling magazines.
 
Something farrrr toooo big brotherish about it.
 
If they were really that concerned about 19 in America they likely woulda stopped the Southern invasion long ago---soooo that ant it IMHO
 
Likely so used to govt mandates in the last year they are trying to see how far they can really go.
Farfetched-opinion- wellll yea- but so is their door to door idiocy,
Am in the system already dont come to my house.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 16:01:05 (permalink)
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And the billions for the border crashers are ok with you?


What “billions”?
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 16:05:29 (permalink)
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Actually no, the people that believe the right wing media horseshiit and vote accordingly are my bogeyman. I’m pretty sure those people are very real.



What about the people that believe the left wing horseshiit, and vote accordingly? They are all too real, while unreal at the same time.


Left wing horseshiit like what? education? Healthcare? Infrastructure? Global pandemics? Racism?

Sure. None of those things are real.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 16:35:08 (permalink)
Those are all things that are very real. It's just that the left is on the wrong side of many of the issues. Reform, expand, need more money, more control, get rid of any opposing views are not solutions to problems that have been created by the very same people that claim they can just fix those same problems, if they only had more. There lays the horseshiit that you believe.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 20:41:33 (permalink)
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 So Im really looking forward to the day when the republicans in the PA general assembly decide its wise to waste millions of PA taxpayer dollars on imaginary election fraud. “Fiscally conservative” indeed.



 
You seem to think that election fraud is just not possible. Do you remember the 2012 election? In Philadelphia in 2012, there were 63 precincts that did not have a single Republican vote for Mitt Romney. 63 precincts totaling thousands and thousands of votes, and not a single vote for Romney. That is statistically impossible. That is election fraud, and it runs rampant particularly in the Blue States. Keeriste! Even New Hampshire is doin' an audit. Time will tell. If there's nothing there, you'd think the 'Crats would be 100% behind the audits, just to say "I told ya so"! Are they afraid the public will find out what they already know? I say audit as deep as they can. One way or the other, it's all about the integrity of the election.

If you agree with the Progressive Democrats, that's freedom of speech. If you disagree, it's hate speech and racism.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 22:44:53 (permalink)
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/08 23:20:48 (permalink)
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So Im really looking forward to the day when the republicans in the PA general assembly decide its wise to waste millions of PA taxpayer dollars on imaginary election fraud. “Fiscally conservative” indeed.



 
You seem to think that election fraud is just not possible. Do you remember the 2012 election? In Philadelphia in 2012, there were 63 precincts that did not have a single Republican vote for Mitt Romney. 63 precincts totaling thousands and thousands of votes, and not a single vote for Romney. That is statistically impossible. That is election fraud,


It was 59 divisions, not 63. And they were in predominantly black neighborhoods. These 59 divisions accounted for only about 3.5% of the total votes cast in the entire city. It’s not statistically impossible, in fact it’s a very small sample size, and it doesn’t mean anything.

https://www.inquirer.com/...ey_got_zero_votes.html

Despite all of the whining, the audits, the recounts, the accusations, and the bombastic rhetoric about election fraud, republicans still haven’t presented a single shred of evidence for any of their BS. And they never will.
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/09 16:52:45 (permalink)
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Look at it this way- 6 MIll is cheap to find out if it happened or not - and  put this behind us.
I dont look at it like us vs them, but a final chapter in this crazy debate.
Frankly I hope they find nothing- it will be a good thing if we had a rightful election and can prove it to those who question our democracy.
This will either prove the election was rightful or open a box of huge magnitude.
Still wonder about the negatives being thrown around like one that says they have to find over 700,000 improper votes- thought the difference in Arizona was only several thousand.
The constant berating of the process could make the naysayers  cringe as they could be shooting themselves in the foot if nothing is found as they so loudly proclaim this to be incorrectly done.
 
Remember I was among the first here- although I didnt like it- to say OK Biden won.



Here's the thing R3, the reason people are so fired up about it is, there's no evidence there's been any wrongdoings. There's been over 50 cases filed across the country that the Trump campaign has either lost, been dismissed, or dropped. 

I understand your mindset of "If there's nothing to hide then what's the harm, put it to bed once and for all". It makes sense, and in most cases I'd be in full agreement with you. But after 50+ cases, and there being absolutely zero evidence of anything large scale relating to election fraud - when is enough enough? 

If the Arizona recount finds nothing incorrect about the 2020 Election - do you honestly think that will be enough? Maybe for you personally sure, but overall?

Will this be the "Welp, we tried guys, Trump lost fair and square", or will it be added to the mountains of evidence already showing that Trump lost the election? I think we all know the answer to that. 


Imagine driving down the road, and you get pulled over for suspicion of speeding. Your neighbor said to the cops that you were speeding. No evidence is provided, and they even checked your cars computer which monitors your speed. Zero, Zilch, nada. The cops let you go about your day, as you broke no laws and drove by the book.  Next day, same thing happens. And then again, and again. At what point is enough enough? How many times should you be pulled over because your neighbor thought you were speeding, but every time, you weren't and there's zero evidence you did? When would you be mad about this?







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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/09 21:02:53 (permalink)
Many of those cases brought to the courts early on were based on witnesses who saw things they believed illegal- in  a lot of those cases the Courts needed far more evidence to backup those witnesses and it wasnt there as there were no deep dives in that short time, just recounts of the same ballots over and over.
Also the courts, based on the witnesses here and there in limited balloting places, said that what they presented in one or two polling places wouldnt change the outcome anyhow.
 
There was never zero evidence- thats just narrative of the opposition-there were many sworn statements to L/E needing physical evidence to support them.
Ya dont get found guilty just on a statement where -'somebody said'.
 
The deeper dive is supposed to care for those issues.
 
I guess they are only using limited polling areas instead of whole states to speed up the process.
If they find anything the whole state  recounts could go on and on and on for years IMHO.
We will see what happens---
 
Either way it aint pretty-
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/09 22:21:29 (permalink)
Remember Tucker Carlson's defense for the slander lawsuit he won in 2020?  His lawyers argued Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect and no reasonable viewer takes the primetime host seriously.
 
This year, Trump's lawyer, Sydney Powell, tried the same defense for her defamation lawsuit.  Her lawyers stated: “no reasonable person would conclude that her statements were truly statements of fact” and that they are simply “her opinions and legal theories on a matter of utmost public concern.”
 
The 50 other voter fraud lawsuits and this Arizona recount are the same story.  Their goal is not to overturn the election since they know they have zero chance.  Their target audience is their base, not the courts.
 
The GOP must think their base is not reasonable.
 
 
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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/10 01:08:14 (permalink)
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Many of those cases brought to the courts early on were based on witnesses who saw things they believed illegal- in a lot of those cases the Courts needed far more evidence to backup those witnesses and it wasnt there as there were no deep dives in that short time, just recounts of the same ballots over and over.
Also the courts, based on the witnesses here and there in limited balloting places, said that what they presented in one or two polling places wouldnt change the outcome anyhow.
 
There was never zero evidence- thats just narrative of the opposition-there were many sworn statements to L/E needing physical evidence to support them.
Ya dont get found guilty just on a statement where -'somebody said'.
 
The deeper dive is supposed to care for those issues.
 
I guess they are only using limited polling areas instead of whole states to speed up the process.
If they find anything the whole state  recounts could go on and on and on for years IMHO.
We will see what happens---
 
Either way it aint pretty-



You are correct. There were sworn statements. I would consider that some type of evidence, so my Zero Evidence statement from earlier was incorrect. 

I'd put my money on the Arizona Recount not actually having any announcement of "We did/did not find anything". It'll be more like Roethlisbergers****case "We didn't find evidence that he didn't do it." or something along those lines. 





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Re: Arizona elction recount 2021/07/10 07:22:34 (permalink)
The tally in Arizona- as I recall -went for Biden by only around 13,000 votes.
Recall reading someplace that around 4,000 illegals were found to have voted-For whom??
If t was paper they will find out but not if they just pushed buttons or turned levers.
If it was paper and the names are checked in this deeper look that leaves only 7 or 8 more impropers to find.
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