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Re: Joe Biden 2021/09/20 11:10:13 (permalink)
An ex-girlfriend of mine was a horse girl. Never again.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/09/20 11:26:34 (permalink)
You should stay out of those Tijuana donkey bars  
Nothing good comes from them  
 
 
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/09/20 20:19:44 (permalink)
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you're clueless 
 
Have a nice day 
 
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On second thought maybe libertarians aren’t so much like republicans after all.




There ya go, genieman77. That's as close to an apology as you're gonna get from the form dipstick!

If you agree with the Progressive Democrats, that's freedom of speech. If you disagree, it's hate speech and racism.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/09/20 21:37:19 (permalink)
EMitch



There ya go, genieman77. That's as close to an apology as you're gonna get from the form dipstick!




 
ah, it'll be al'ite, Mitch .
I'm just here for the free beer and chics...
 
 
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/09/21 14:28:38 (permalink)
So you don't smoke weed then Genie??
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/09/22 15:10:37 (permalink)
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So you don't smoke weed then Genie??


 
...I didn't inhale.
 
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/09/22 17:12:49 (permalink)
I hope you at least DID have sexual relations with that woman!
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/09/22 17:47:20 (permalink)
we need a "like" button around here 
 
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/20 16:35:33 (permalink)
Look up 'Joe Biden and Hunters shared bank account'--
there are a number of articles = read them 
Draw your own conclusions
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/21 01:17:34 (permalink)
Read a few. Don't see many actual information aside from "could be corruption".

Hunter Biden is a scumbag, that ain't news to anyone, and he sure isn't above the law - no one is. If he broke the law, arrest and charge him. 


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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/21 09:15:51 (permalink)
I looks more like they share an accountant, not an account.  Unless you are referring to the trust, which is a how most rich people (and some not so rich people) take advantage of many tax loopholes.  I hope the FBI/IRS does look into it to make sure everything is legal.  I bet my house it will be the same outcome of every Trump investigation.  Stinks of raw sewage on a moral standpoint, but has enough accountants/attorneys to keep everything legal.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/hot-water-emails-uncovered-show-100612824.html
 
As noted in another discussion.  Anyone serving in an elected position should give up all stake to private financial gain while in office and put all assets in a transparent investment plan that every American tax payer is able to invest into as well.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/21 12:38:20 (permalink)
So I did a little experiment in what might be called journalistic standards.  It seems this "story" has its origins with the Daily Mail, a news source that is rated by independent media rating services as being far right, with a low incidence of factual reporting.  The Fox News, OAN and every other example of this story I read cites the Daily Mail info.  The elements of the story allegedly came from emails extracted from Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop.
 
I also entered the same terms into the search functions of:  The Associated Press, The Wall Street Journal, BBC, Politico, The Hill, New York Times news, The Los Angeles Times and The Pittsburgh Post Gazette.  Nothing.  Not a whiff of the Biden shared account story.
 
Meaning?  To me, this means there is nothing here.  No cause. No crime. No thing.  Nada. Nichts. Professional journalists operating in an arena demanding ethical and professional standards and behavior have not found a credible story worth reporting. What's sad is that the cynical originators of tales like these will find many willing, low-information individuals to create yet more conspiracy theories and sow more disinformation and chaos in order to serve political and profit-motivated agendas.  Substitute nearly any other subject:  the pandemic, science itself, voter rights/voter fraud, government institutions, etc., and we have the current state of discourse in our Country.
 
Facts matter.  Truth matters.  Good critical thinking skills, a questioning nature and a healthy skepticism should be something that we all recognize and practice.
 
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/22 09:01:13 (permalink)
I have to agree with the two Dem Senators on much of their contention to this Build Back America Better bill. 
 
I don't think college should be free, even community college.  Certain high demand degrees should have incentives, IMO.  There should be some sort of discussion of how to lower costs, have loan forgiveness programs for certain high demand fields, etc.  If going for a degree with no or little employment opportunities, it shouldn't be free, unless you are one of the best at it and able to gain grant money for it.  If best at it, you will most likely gain employment for it.  I went to CCAC for a year after high school, it was pretty much a joke, filled with kids that goofed off in HS and maybe 5% there to save money from a 4 year degree or really there to gain skills for a career.  It will attract more of the same if free.  Don't get me wrong, it did wonders for my acceptance in real colleges and gave me a second chance to stop being a jagoff.  I was in the minority of trying to stop being a jagoff though.  If the idea is to train people for the workforce, there are many already free/low cost education opportunities (hospital funded nursing schools, Union apprentices, GI Bill, and many companies that have paid training).  If they would target computer science, math, pre-engineering, science, truck driving, medical and other high demand jobs, I would be 100% behind it.
 
Universal pre-school.  I would much rather see 1/10th of this funding, go into more education on the responsibilities needed to be a parent.  I don't completely disagree with the idea of helping some with childcare be in the workforce, but the universal part is where I don't agree.  Have vouchers for lower income that MUST show proof of full time employment.  It would be a fraction of the cost.  Having these in every public school system is going to be ridiculous cost and throwing every school district a major construction hurdle.  Guaranteed to end up on the shoulders of local property tax payers. 
 
12 week family leave.  This is something that is going to be abused and already is.  This should be 1 family member getting paid time off.  I was a fan of some of what Mayor Pete had to say as a candidate, but taking such a long paternity leave while possibly the biggest crisis ever to hit our transportation sector going on?  I took 3 days off for each of my kids and my job isn't nearly as vital to our nation.  I did take a few half days and other while they were infants to help my wife, ALL were vacation time though.  She did get maternity leave, I do think one parent needs it, at least time off, paid or not.  I don't mind taxes going to help pay those lower wage jobs that don't provide paid time off or subsidize those companies to either extend their time off, etc.  Don't get me wrong, FoxNews and other far right moron sites are crossing the line and making it homophobic with some of their comments about Pete and his husband.  But the idea that he is taking more than a week or two, while our shipping infrastructure is currently disintegrating, is an embarrassment.  I'm guessing his husband's job isn't nearly as vital to our nation, who could be the primary care giver during this time...  Don't take on such a vital position if you are planning to have a kid, regardless if man or woman.  Obviously a little different for women that unexpectantly has a kid.  Would he have done the same if he won the Presidency?  Is this what the Democratic party is really coming to?  It is pure insanity that half of the Dems want to go further than this?  I can see why so many vote NO to their agenda.  If the alternative wasn't a complete ASSCLOWN Dicktadortot cult leader, I would probably join them.  
 
Is it time yet for a third party in the middle???  
 
I do support the expanded Medicaid and Medicare as well as lowering prescription prices.  Our healthcare system is completely broken.  These are bandages, but much needed for many.  The affordable housing is much needed, especially after this latest bubble, before it collapses of course.  Insane that people are actually buying property that has doubled the price it was staying relatively steady at for 4-5 years.  You can make an argument that prices didn't increase as much during the pandemic, but losing an average 5%-8% per year appreciation rate for 2 years, does not equal 50%-100%+ appreciation rate?  Insane that there are people dumb enough to fall into this, prices follow demand.  They will follow them to a sharp 50%-100%+ depreciation rate when the demand dictates too...  I do differ from Manchin on the climate and EV infrastructure.  I do respect that he votes for what is best for his state, but yet has a spine, unlike 90% of the Republisheep that are caught up in the cult.
 
Child tax credit.  I'll take it, basically because I will be paying for the other stuff in raised capital gains taxes and domino effect of raised corporate taxes.  I'd rather drop it and drop some of the other stuff.
 
Where in this bill is saving Social Security???  Why are we basically adding to a social safety net, when our current one isn't funded?  If they raise SS to capture inflation, it is gone before I can finish typing retiremen...  What makes us really think that we will be able to fund this new stuff?
 
 
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/22 10:06:36 (permalink)
In response to Pork - largely agree.  I sum it up as:  Biden won the election, not Bernie Sanders.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/22 10:37:11 (permalink)
Some of these programs were actually in the platform that Biden ran on though. The progressive wing was pushing for programs even more generous than this.

As far as social security, it’s not going to be funded without raising taxes. None of these programs will be.

Pork, you bring up some good points, although I can’t type up a detailed response right now… a lot of it comes down to means testing which sounds great in theory but has some flaws in practice.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/22 12:25:26 (permalink)
I'm an ol' man. Where's my freebes? oh, I know, I ain't getten any!

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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/22 12:50:09 (permalink)
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Some of these programs were actually in the platform that Biden ran on though. The progressive wing was pushing for programs even more generous than this.

Pushing for more generous, is why many pulled a bag on their head and voted for the cult leader.  Only about half of that support was from the brain mush culties.  There were a good portion of people that just couldn't vote for Creepy Uncle Joe, for the progressive push in the party.  Granted, it was a no brainer to me, rather than 18 more years of a dicktador, who hopefully will be publicly hung before the next election for his treasonous acts.
 
As for Biden's platform that he ran on.  The vast majority that pulled the lever next to his name, was all about avoiding Fascism from taking over our country.  I tend to think a very small percentage that voted for the platform.  Pushing that platform during a time of hyperinflation is opening the door for the return of the idiot man child.  Hopefully he is in a box with a red ring around his neck before then though.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/22 13:22:04 (permalink)
Yea- things are going so well right now why change it
3 more years of this will be so gooood 
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/22 14:59:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby drawde 2021/10/23 17:07:19
How's the old senile socialist China owned doing anyway? Country must be doing great poll numbers reflect this I assume. Im assuming everythingis just peachy and the rats will retain power in 2022 further transforming America into a 3rd world country. I hear the southern border is lovely now only 2.4 million new votes have crossed this year at least the prices of goods and services are under control just about noone will be taxed unless you count how much things have gone up. Glad the Afganistan fiasco is old news time for the new China one to flare up ,I hear the parents of school aged children are upset their kids are learning new critical stuff in school guess the parents just don't understand. Just a few of the lovely tidbits the blue kool-aid cultists have left us with there are many more but enough for now!!
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/23 02:18:40 (permalink)
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I have to agree with the two Dem Senators on much of their contention to this Build Back America Better bill. 
 
I don't think college should be free, even community college.  Certain high demand degrees should have incentives, IMO.  There should be some sort of discussion of how to lower costs, have loan forgiveness programs for certain high demand fields, etc.  If going for a degree with no or little employment opportunities, it shouldn't be free, unless you are one of the best at it and able to gain grant money for it.  If best at it, you will most likely gain employment for it.  I went to CCAC for a year after high school, it was pretty much a joke, filled with kids that goofed off in HS and maybe 5% there to save money from a 4 year degree or really there to gain skills for a career.  It will attract more of the same if free.  Don't get me wrong, it did wonders for my acceptance in real colleges and gave me a second chance to stop being a jagoff.  I was in the minority of trying to stop being a jagoff though.  If the idea is to train people for the workforce, there are many already free/low cost education opportunities (hospital funded nursing schools, Union apprentices, GI Bill, and many companies that have paid training).  If they would target computer science, math, pre-engineering, science, truck driving, medical and other high demand jobs, I would be 100% behind it.
 
Universal pre-school.  I would much rather see 1/10th of this funding, go into more education on the responsibilities needed to be a parent.  I don't completely disagree with the idea of helping some with childcare be in the workforce, but the universal part is where I don't agree.  Have vouchers for lower income that MUST show proof of full time employment.  It would be a fraction of the cost.  Having these in every public school system is going to be ridiculous cost and throwing every school district a major construction hurdle.  Guaranteed to end up on the shoulders of local property tax payers. 
 
12 week family leave.  This is something that is going to be abused and already is.  This should be 1 family member getting paid time off.  I was a fan of some of what Mayor Pete had to say as a candidate, but taking such a long paternity leave while possibly the biggest crisis ever to hit our transportation sector going on?  I took 3 days off for each of my kids and my job isn't nearly as vital to our nation.  I did take a few half days and other while they were infants to help my wife, ALL were vacation time though.  She did get maternity leave, I do think one parent needs it, at least time off, paid or not.  I don't mind taxes going to help pay those lower wage jobs that don't provide paid time off or subsidize those companies to either extend their time off, etc.  Don't get me wrong, FoxNews and other far right moron sites are crossing the line and making it homophobic with some of their comments about Pete and his husband.  But the idea that he is taking more than a week or two, while our shipping infrastructure is currently disintegrating, is an embarrassment.  I'm guessing his husband's job isn't nearly as vital to our nation, who could be the primary care giver during this time...  Don't take on such a vital position if you are planning to have a kid, regardless if man or woman.  Obviously a little different for women that unexpectantly has a kid.  Would he have done the same if he won the Presidency?  Is this what the Democratic party is really coming to?  It is pure insanity that half of the Dems want to go further than this?  I can see why so many vote NO to their agenda.  If the alternative wasn't a complete ASSCLOWN Dicktadortot cult leader, I would probably join them.  
 
Is it time yet for a third party in the middle???  
 
I do support the expanded Medicaid and Medicare as well as lowering prescription prices.  Our healthcare system is completely broken.  These are bandages, but much needed for many.  The affordable housing is much needed, especially after this latest bubble, before it collapses of course.  Insane that people are actually buying property that has doubled the price it was staying relatively steady at for 4-5 years.  You can make an argument that prices didn't increase as much during the pandemic, but losing an average 5%-8% per year appreciation rate for 2 years, does not equal 50%-100%+ appreciation rate?  Insane that there are people dumb enough to fall into this, prices follow demand.  They will follow them to a sharp 50%-100%+ depreciation rate when the demand dictates too...  I do differ from Manchin on the climate and EV infrastructure.  I do respect that he votes for what is best for his state, but yet has a spine, unlike 90% of the Republisheep that are caught up in the cult.
 
Child tax credit.  I'll take it, basically because I will be paying for the other stuff in raised capital gains taxes and domino effect of raised corporate taxes.  I'd rather drop it and drop some of the other stuff.
 
Where in this bill is saving Social Security???  Why are we basically adding to a social safety net, when our current one isn't funded?  If they raise SS to capture inflation, it is gone before I can finish typing retiremen...  What makes us really think that we will be able to fund this new stuff?
 
 



If Community College has some sort of GPA threshold to maintain then I'm all for it. Would likely cut down on some clowning. Likely this won't be the case though as it looks like it's cut. While personal experience may drive your opinion on this - keep in mind that experience is not universal. There are plenty of kids who would love the opportunity to go to College - Community included, and it's not always within the cards for them. Pell grants cover a lot of expenses, but not everything. 

I see on here, as well as in my everyday life something I've started to call the "Bootstrap Mentality". This seems to be that, "because I did it X way, others should have to as well." type of mentality. I think it's human nature, and doesn't make people evil or bad at all. 
I heard KDKA radio the other week with callers calling in about Connor Lamb's idea of 10k towards college. Caller after caller called in slamming it, with personal stories of "I had to scrimp and save to pay for some of my kids tuition" type of stories.

Something being difficult for you, doesn't have to be difficult for the next generation, person, child etc. It's ok to want better for those who come after us. 

For example - if you saved money and paid for your child's college tuition - that's fantastic and you should be proud. But that doesn't mean that making college cheaper, or providing financial assistance to students is a bad thing. Making education more accessible for a broader audience is not a bad thing. Potentially easing the financial burden of future generations to be able to obtain an education, and likely have a much better quality of life, is not a bad thing. 

Your example Pork, about taking 3 days off for the births of your children isn't uncommon. My dad took 2 days for all 4 of his children. My wifes dad took 1 day for his 2 children. I'm sure a lot of the guys here have the same experience. That absolutely sucks - and I'm sorry you didn't get more time. I'm sure most everyone would want more time with their child and childs mom after a birth. 

I hear this kind of thing a lot, mainly because I'm a new father myself and it comes up a lot in conversations I have with people. It's almost presented as a badge of honor. (Wife's cousin went back to work after one of their children was born in the morning. He's always eager to say it) Maybe it is for some - you were able to make it work with such a low amount of time off. But when I hear this, I just feel terrible for those who had to experience it. 12 Weeks is an excessive amount of time to some, including me, but 4 weeks? Should be an absolute given. I'm certain you'd be hard pressed to find a new mother who wouldn't appreciate it. Globally, the US is comically far behind other developed countries in Family Leave. 

Ranted a bit here but, it's hard for my brain to comprehend what just seems like people wanting suffering to be universal, in any shape or form. I realize it's not always the case and it's not fair to categorize any challenges to an idea as that, but there are times it's clear as day.
I don't think you're one of those people Pork, just your post reminded me of it a bit



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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/23 09:29:12 (permalink)
Suffering is a bit excessive of a word. Getting student loans and paying them off is not suffering. That is life, not suffering…. Sure, you can’t buy a $500k house and drive a BMW the first year out of college (which seems to be the expectation of millennials). I don’t believe that my taxes should be raised in either trickle down from corporate taxes (on my pay or company stock price) or capital gains taxes, to pay for everyone to not have to learn the responsibility of living with and managing debt. Again, I am fine if they used this to train positions that are in need. Those that would like to go for free have a handful of majors that have jobs lined up. Definitely have to keep a certain GPA, just like grants/scholarships. You mention some that can’t go do to whatever, I’d bet my paycheck they would qualify for the GI Bill? College tuition has skyrocketed since I was there. Where is this in the bill? I was always critical of the turd before Biden for bandaging problems and calling them “solved” and not going to the root of problems and really fixing. I will do the same with Uncle Joe.

I am just fine with one parent getting paid leave. If that is what this will do, I would be fine. 12 weeks is excessive to me. If the other wants to take this time off, why should our tax dollars be used on it? I wouldn’t mind something saying that the second partner can keep their job with up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave or use of vacation time if needing pay. I didn’t suffer, when I went back to work. No doubt our lives changed more than any other event until then, when we had our first. Not being able to do half of the things that I enjoyed any time I wanted, was not suffering. I guess if Uncle Sam would have paid me for 12 weeks with your tax dollars, I likely could have got a lot more fishing in during that time. I could have taken more of my paid vacation or even unpaid vacation. It just wasn’t necessary. Like mentioned, I did take a few half days and extra vacation days around holidays. Even that time off, my wife still did more, but got a nice break. She would have done more than I, if I took 12 weeks off, I don’t have the fun sacks those infants seem to want and prefer the body/smell they are connected to. But always nice to have someone up and aware when mom and baby are both napping.

Call it bootstrap or whatever. When the money used to fund are from you and I, we should be able to express our opinions of how it is used. Im not opposed to the ideas, I am opposed to paying for them. Especially when they are a social security net program and our current one is in shambles. What makes us think this one won’t be in years? Do we raise taxes then to fix it? If there is excessive spending somewhere that can fund, fine.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/23 11:19:37 (permalink)
I don’t think there should be any paid leave when you have a child. Millions upon millions of children born in this country to parents who didn’t receive any paid time off . My four included. Just another means for people to sit back and suck the system dry. Ya have kids, make plans to take care of them and do it on your own dime.

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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/23 21:12:44 (permalink)
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I don’t believe that my taxes should be raised in either trickle down from corporate taxes (on my pay or company stock price) or capital gains taxes, to pay for everyone to not have to learn the responsibility of living with and managing debt. Again, I am fine if they Pl PO used this to train positions that are in need. Those that would like to go for free have a handful of majors that have jobs lined up. Definitely have to keep a certain GPA, just like grants/scholarships. You mention some that can’t go do to whatever, I’d bet my paycheck they would qualify for the GI Bill? College tuition has skyrocketed since I was there. Where is this in the bill? I was always critical of the turd before Biden for bandaging problems and calling them “solved” and not going to the root of problems and really fixing. I will do the salllJoe.


There’s a lot to unpack here but let’s start with this. Ultimately, from a legislative standpoint it’s much more difficult for the federal government to regulate or limit college tuition costs for every single college and university in the country than it is to create a low cost alternative (i.e. free community college). Also, who decides what majors or degrees are “in need”? Job market demand fluctuates and technology evolves. I wouldn’t count on federal legislation evolving quickly enough to keep up with changing job market demands. Although it’s not unreasonable to keep financial relief tied to GPA, totally agree there,

But really tho, look at the political obstacles that are in the way of getting almost anything done. Even for Democrats, who I believe have legitimate legislative goals, it’s simply not that easy to get everybody to agree on policy. And they have a razor thin 50/50 margin in the senate, so there is no room for dissent.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/23 22:14:23 (permalink)
STEM. All you really need to tie it to if you don’t want to tie it to job forecasters. Those forecasts were pretty accurate predicting upcoming shortages. Similar to stock market analysis. There are focus groups that study everything. It is crunching numbers of average age, average time people usually last in a profession, toss in some other variables and can be pretty good idea of professions having shortages approaching. I think many on here were noting a shortage of truckers years ago. Add that to a few other Covid variables and equates to the hyperinflation we are seeing. If only the friend to truckers would have pushed for free trucker training 5 years ago, maybe we wouldn’t be in such a mess? Or the guy before him?

BTW, regulating on the federal level would be “simple”. You would put it under the same federal loan programs. Whatever the majors they deem as “in need”, they put regulations/standards in place, I.e. minimum GPA, working in a job in that field for X amount of time and your loans are forgiven. It puts some responsibility (or as some might say “suffering” on those looking to use the program). If they bail out, they have loans to pay. I have absolutely no issues in those that believe in themselves and the talent, but disadvantaged in society, to have a chance (partially on “my dime”). They make society better. Giving free “basic college” to everyone, doesn’t make anything better, IMO. That said, I haven’t stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lately, so what do I know. I certainly don’t know how to catch any nice fish in the past few weeks. And it is really ticking me offf!
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/23 22:45:17 (permalink)
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I don’t think there should be any paid leave when you have a child. Millions upon millions of children born in this country to parents who didn’t receive any paid time off . My four included. Just another means for people to sit back and suck the system dry. Ya have kids, make plans to take care of them and do it on your own dime.


I'm sorry to hear you didn't get any time off Bigfoot. I hope your kids, or grandkids are able to find a situation were they can take time off to be with the children when they are first born. 
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/23 23:49:31 (permalink)
For time off, I would hope this legislation is more pushed towards businesses having the option available to ONE of the parents. Something like 55%, I believe is the number, has some sort of paid maturity leave (mother of child). The old timers on here (my parents generation) “when America was great”, were able to get away with a single income and wife stayed home to raise the rugrats. Although my mom worked about half of my childhood and back to work after Most professions now days don’t allow for a single income, at least to be in the comfort level many like. But that is a choice. To me, if it is government funded, paid by us all, it should not be extending beyond one parent (usually the mother). Anyone arguing that the second parent deserves government funded 12 weeks off, let me know where to find some MAGA gear. Maybe it is my MAGA insensitivity, but you are a vagina.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/24 14:37:21 (permalink)
I think its getting bogged down in the details if we are saying “12 weeks is excessive, 8 is acceptable, one parent should be allowed time off but not both…”

Fundamentally, these are standard of living issues. And if we continue to believe in American exceptionalism then citizens in this country should be afforded these luxuries. Other countries that we compare the US to are willing to guarantee these things for their citizens, and if we want to continue to believe we are so special then the US government should do the same. We have adequate wealth and resources in this country to make it so.

I don’t have kids so I may not be the best person to judge whether 12 weeks is enough. However I know friends and family that had difficult pregnancies and difficult recoveries, and I know some babies are more difficult than others. So 12 weeks may be more than necessary for some, and for others it’s just enough. I do know it’s a huge life changing event and everybody’s circumstances are different as is their ability to cope and adapt. Also note that just because you can take up to 12 weeks doesn’t mean everybody will actually take that much time. But I wouldn’t begrudge any woman for taking all 12 weeks under any circumstance.
post edited by MyWar - 2021/10/24 14:38:35
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/24 20:21:53 (permalink)
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The old timers on here (my parents generation) “when America was great”, were able to get away with a single income and wife stayed home 



 
You a Boomer or Gen-X'er,  Pork?
I'll be '64 in Dec firmly in the tail end of boomers 
 
raised in a typical blue collar middle class 'hood.
I'm thinking it would of taken two fulltime incomes back then to have all "the stuff" we have today in pret'near every middle class 'hood.
 
donno about your childhood neighborhood, but there weren't two, three or more new/late model vehicles in the drive.
Every kid didn't have thou$ands of electronics, devises,  laptops, flat screens, X-boxes, etc in their room.
(we wuz stuntin' if we had a 13" B&W TV on our dresser)
wasn't common to eat out or bring pizza 'n chicken  home 4-5 nights a week either 
 
 
So I'm thinking our folks (if you're in boomer  bracket) didn't have the same "comfort level" stuff needs, or there just wasn't as much opportunity  for both parents to land  "livable wage" jobs??
 
..L.T.A. 
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/24 21:57:32 (permalink)
Gen X, 46. Agree with all of the stuff that many people have now requires most to have two wages. We also grew up in a typical middle class hood. Right as the steel Mills hit the wall. About half of my neighborhood dealt with that single income being cut in half with whatever jobs they could find and the other parent having to find employment. Others were unchanged and had the cool stuff. My flea market bike did jumps and sounded just as dumb with cards in the spokes as the kids with the bmx racing bikes. We had cars that would break down on road trips, spent every other weekend helping my dad fix a car or something around our house. We were usually last to have any sort of computer or other technology. The tv was color, but the screen was small and the cabinet huge…. By HS, we had a few of the more modern tvs than just the living room. I saw what some friends had, but other friends that were going through the same steel mill issues were living the same. It was life, I learned early it wasn’t fair, but also learned a lot more from it. It was taught to me to work hard and be smart on my financial decisions (don’t waste money on “look at me” stuff, take loans on investments in myself, invest my earnings and do due diligence). Maybe this needs to be taught rather than free community college?

My comment was more about it being a norm for the husband to work and wife stay home in my parents time, pre-boomer. Why would there be a need for maturity leave if still that way? Husbands not having extended time off back then was not suffering and still isn’t. Not to say it is any badge of honor to not take time off, but it really isn’t a necessity. I would have definitely welcomed it for my first. Like said about life as I knew it flipped on my head. As well as McGee hospital (pretty sure intentionally) only had a non-reclining chair with a stool to “sleep” on for the fathers. I left that place with a newborn and a new mother, 100% delirious. Luckily we only lived about 2-3 miles from there at the time. I needed another day off for that and would have been nice to have more to deal with family around to celebrate the birth, etc. For our second, lucky for me, I had to go home and take care of our older one and able to sleep in my own bed!

Granted, there are definitely exceptions to the norm (health issues to mother/baby), but to me, it doesn’t justify tax dollars to be spent on every partner in a parental unit have extended time off. If it were for those special hardships, completely fine. I’d imagine Medicaid or other government hardship programs might deal with that already. Which is again what my issue is with most of this bill as a whole. Why is it universal and not targeted? That is what Mancin has been saying for months and why I initiated this saying that I agree with him. It isn’t just the tax payer money that I have issues with. People taking 12 weeks off really puts a strain on that company. I get a bit ticked when one of my coworkers takes more than 2 weeks off, since I am picking up their projects, adding 10-15 hours to my work week. 12 weeks off, do you hire someone temporarily to cover for them? If it is a small business with 10 employees and 1-2 takes that time off, they can bankrupt that company. Not every company is owned and run by the 1%. Which I agree that there is an insane inequality with them. Those companies I doubt would have much issue with employees covering for each other.
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Re: Joe Biden 2021/10/25 01:13:12 (permalink)
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Gen X, 46. Agree with all of the stuff that many people have now requires most to have two wages. We also grew up in a typical middle class hood. Right as the steel Mills hit the wall. About half of my neighborhood dealt with that single income being cut in half with whatever jobs they could find and the other parent having to find employment. Others were unchanged and had the cool stuff. My flea market bike did jumps and sounded just as dumb with cards in the spokes as the kids with the bmx racing bikes. We had cars that would break down on road trips, spent every other weekend helping my dad fix a car or something around our house. We were usually last to have any sort of computer or other technology. The tv was color, but the screen was small and the cabinet huge…. By HS, we had a few of the more modern tvs than just the living room. I saw what some friends had, but other friends that were going through the same steel mill issues were living the same. It was life, I learned early it wasn’t fair, but also learned a lot more from it. It was taught to me to work hard and be smart on my financial decisions (don’t waste money on “look at me” stuff, take loans on investments in myself, invest my earnings and do due diligence). Maybe this needs to be taught rather than free community college?

My comment was more about it being a norm for the husband to work and wife stay home in my parents time, pre-boomer. Why would there be a need for maturity leave if still that way? Husbands not having extended time off back then was not suffering and still isn’t. Not to say it is any badge of honor to not take time off, but it really isn’t a necessity. I would have definitely welcomed it for my first. Like said about life as I knew it flipped on my head. As well as McGee hospital (pretty sure intentionally) only had a non-reclining chair with a stool to “sleep” on for the fathers. I left that place with a newborn and a new mother, 100% delirious. Luckily we only lived about 2-3 miles from there at the time. I needed another day off for that and would have been nice to have more to deal with family around to celebrate the birth, etc. For our second, lucky for me, I had to go home and take care of our older one and able to sleep in my own bed!

Granted, there are definitely exceptions to the norm (health issues to mother/baby), but to me, it doesn’t justify tax dollars to be spent on every partner in a parental unit have extended time off. If it were for those special hardships, completely fine. I’d imagine Medicaid or other government hardship programs might deal with that already. Which is again what my issue is with most of this bill as a whole. Why is it universal and not targeted? That is what Mancin has been saying for months and why I initiated this saying that I agree with him. It isn’t just the tax payer money that I have issues with. People taking 12 weeks off really puts a strain on that company. I get a bit ticked when one of my coworkers takes more than 2 weeks off, since I am picking up their projects, adding 10-15 hours to my work week. 12 weeks off, do you hire someone temporarily to cover for them? If it is a small business with 10 employees and 1-2 takes that time off, they can bankrupt that company. Not every company is owned and run by the 1%. Which I agree that there is an insane inequality with them. Those companies I doubt would have much issue with employees covering for each other.


Not sure who you're mad it in this scenario, but you should be getting mad at your employer, not a colleague for taking time off they earned. A company should have a contingency plan in place for these situations, or make rules that would make PTO absences more manageable for the company. Adding those 10-15 hours a week to your schedule is that contingency plan I bet. 

Take a look around the developed world at Family leave plans. The United States is one of the only developed countries in the world that doesn't have a paid maternity leave. That's just ridiculous. 
Here's an easy read - granted it's the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/29/paternity-leave-us-policy)

As I said earlier, it's great that many posters on this board were able to have kids, and make it work when they were first born. I wish all of them had more time to stay home with  their child and the child's mother. It sucks. But it's also ok to want better for our kids and grandkids. 

We live in a country where in some places, a woman can be raped and be forced to bear the child. After the birth, she won't get any paid leave. Pick yourself up by your bootstraps sweetheart!
 



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