Oswego co health. Guides and social distancing on SR.

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2020/03/24 10:26:16 (permalink)

Oswego co health. Guides and social distancing on SR.

I am a little disappointed in some of the guides on the SR . Many facebook posts on how they are "allowed " to continue to operate because they are single employee businesses. Making lite of the 6 foot rule and telling everyone to "come book a date we will social distance at 6 feet and get you on fish" One even said " we have options for lodging" This frightens and saddens me as we all know the 6 foot rule will not be followed and this puts people at risk. Are poles sanitized are boats sanitized, nets ??? N ow I am not against fishing on your own IF you are not driving from a long distance and you take precautions AND YOU ARE ALONE or with a member of your household. I know these guys are trying to make ends meet , but this is some serious crap. I go to work at the hospital every day to do my part just to touch a gas pump that a person who drove 6 hours touched to do a guided trip. There is a reason for this no unnecessary travel and distancing thing . I am off my sos po box now.
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    BeenThereDoneThat.
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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/24 10:35:33 (permalink)
    Clint you are making very good points and you're not alone, it's happening everywhere because "rules & regulations" are for the other guy.

    Take care of you and yours while doing what you can for others.

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/24 13:02:15 (permalink)
    Yep, chances of making it through my multiple myeloma are slim. I'm responding to chemo well, but the covid-19  would take me out.  Even though  I do everything right, all it'll take is one lax clown.  Thanks for being one of the good ones, Clint. If there were more like you I would survive.  
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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/24 14:08:16 (permalink)
    Sorry to hear of your illness, Fichy, we'll add you to the ever growing prayer list.  Lots more time for that with staying home and doing the taxes.  Stay low and healthy.
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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/24 17:05:55 (permalink)
    Clint, I don't get where a guide feels higher than what the executive order is in place and I know many people throwing out the words " I'm considered exempt ".
    It's hard to take money away from people, I get that but its totally irresponsible to think one is above the law in a state of emergency such as this. Its very narrow minded and selfish when lives are at risk. If our country is truly United, it will give relief to those who suffered real economic hardships.
    Notes will be taken on whose good and who cares less about others.
    I will say, before this hit our country, I was narrow minded and thought ah, it's just another flu. If my concert tour was happening I'm going anyway. Well now things are REAL.
    I knew well in advance in early January that PPE such as N95 masks, sanitizer, and nitrile gloves were going to be a shortage. Call our company hoarders but we bought as much of those supplies as possible, spending 10's of thousands to stock up because these are daily necessities for our workers. Since February, NONE have been available from our major distributors.
    We are on strict restrictions on their usage as our back stock is about depleted.

    Back to topic:
    I am required to report to work everyday. I'm in a very high risk as I have personal contact with shippers, vendors, contractors ( from all different states and walks of life ) and also direct interaction with fellow coworkers. We can't fix giant equipment alone, we must work side by side.
    My 79 year old mother and very health issues sister live right next door. I can not take the chance of carrying this virus to either one. My mother is the sole constant care provider of my sister, if I gave it to either, the other would likely perish so in that, I have not had contact with my mother or sister in 3 weeks. If they need supplies, I drop them on her porch or in the garage.
    Btw, today is my sister's 46th birthday ( above her life expectancy). It will be the first time I have not hugged her and spoke happy birthday in person.
    I thought really hard about why should I be held down to do things in the outdoors I normally do in solitude anyway. I don't like going to crowded areas to begin with.
    I thought about coming to the Salmon River because my thoughts were it's probably the lowest amount of crowds in a very long time. I'm re thinking those thoughts because it seems a lot of people just don't care.
    I have other places to go instead when I need that time of release to make life as I know it as normal as possible right now.

    Be safe to all
    post edited by hot tuna - 2020/03/24 17:49:58

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/24 17:57:32 (permalink)
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    Sorry to hear of your illness, Fichy, we'll add you to the ever growing prayer list.  Lots more time for that with staying home and doing the taxes.  Stay low and healthy.

       Thanks, Lucky.  Good thing is my chops are the best they've been in decades from hours and hours of practice on steroids, literally.  I bought a  new Martin the day I left the hospital and it's getting broke in well.  
     
    HT , I can't imagine how hard it is to not see your sister.  Or your, Mom.  Love and prayers sent your way.  I was wondering how they were doing, I'm glad so far they are OK and getting protected by YOU.  Screw fishing guide, more important to be a family guide.  




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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/24 19:45:31 (permalink)
    Good Luck Charlie -hope for the best, in my prayers.
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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/24 20:15:45 (permalink)
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    Good Luck Charlie -hope for the best, in my prayers.


    Thanks, Trev. As a former mayor and LEO, I'm sure you have lots of good ideas for how  we should handle this crisis. I hope someone listens. I pray your whole family comes through unscathed.  
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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/24 20:17:39 (permalink)
    r3g3
    Good Luck Charlie -hope for the best, in my prayers.

    Same here. Hoping for a few more outings after this with ya

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/24 20:36:19 (permalink)
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    Good Luck Charlie -hope for the best, in my prayers.

    Same here. Hoping for a few more outings after this with ya

    Same, Clint.  You going to the river is a local walk. Just like I've spent an hour or two on a few uninhabited waters that are local to me.  Much different than  the actions in your original topic.  You have enough risk in work.
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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/26 19:12:17 (permalink)
    Well the DEC returned my e mail with a call and stated that technically they are doing nothing wrong as the social distancing is suggested and not the law and single employee businesses are exempt. I do know I will never recommend any guide I see on the at this point. Taking this situation too lightly while I am at work taking care of people who could be and are infected just does not sit well with me.

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/27 11:51:18 (permalink)
    Well my message was given to me by my wife who admitted she did not listen closely. I followed up with a call and was told that. The DEC is STRONGLY suggesting boat launches are closed unless people can prove they are from the same household. If you are caught breaking social distancing protocols you can be fined in some circumstances. So yes they technically could guide, but if they are caught closer than 6 feet they could face circumstances as guiding is nonessential. Most are staying home and that is good news, but there are a few going rogue and if they are shame on them

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/28 08:00:43 (permalink)
    I agree all guides and charters should NOT be allowed to operate. Many, many working people have been shut down and feeling the hardships of closures, why in the world a close contact guide should be exempt is beyond me. If those who feel differently because of financial loss, well look around at how many people are in the same situation. They are entitled to the same unemployment benefits as the rest of the others.

    I feel STRONGLY, they should NOT close boat launches. It's kinda throwing a blanket over everyone who is doing things right to limit those who are not.
    There is no reason I shouldn't be allowed to take my boat out fishing alone or with the woman I lay my head next to every night.
    Marina's and private clubs should absolutely be closed.
    I don't right now know how my striper season is going to go this year. I have no plans of putting my boat in at the marina this season.
    I'm making preparations at launching daily and possibly anchoring out in the back channels of the river overnight .
    I'm also preparing the jon boat for daily launching out back and camping on one of the state islands.
    post edited by hot tuna - 2020/03/28 08:14:41

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/30 18:15:26 (permalink)
    Sk I called and e mailed oswego co health today about this. Left message. Now low and behold It seems I am hearing that the guides have finally been shut down. Have not heard it officially though
    post edited by Clint S - 2020/03/30 18:56:51

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/03/30 18:35:07 (permalink)
    Clint, it's the main reason I'm not docking my boat this striper season. I spoke with friends who charter and they are scheduled to go in 3 weeks. I'm good friends with guides and charters and understand tough times . Lots of people are affected although I don't see people slowing down who aren't sick. Until folks really need understand there is no get away from it I'm just trying to do my thing, go fishing and limit people until things pass. Unfortunately, 2020 will be a year I'd like to probably forget.

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/04/02 10:37:07 (permalink)
    So I continue to hear people and guides complain about this. I just watched a video of a guide high 5ing both clients on a boat after a catch, yep real social distancing. I hear if I'm not sick and there no sick what's the issue. Welp you dont need to feel sick to be contagious and even if you TEST NEGATIVE on Monday by Wednesday you could be infected and contagious. Everybody is hurting , everybody scared , everybody should do their part and not be selfish because they think they are more important than the other guy sitting home.

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/04/02 10:55:00 (permalink)
    Clint here is what I'm seeing in my county.
    More people than ever out and about.
    With the mass exodus out of NYC and the massive layoffs happening our county is at capacity of people who normally are working or still in NYC. So what do all these people do but flood the shopping centers and public places with their masks and rubber gloves on. NOBODY is staying in there own homes or property lines.
    Now, finally retail stores are starting to limit the amount of people inside the stores at 1 given time. The backlash is there are lines of people forming waiting their turn. It may take an hour just to get inside.
    We've got a long way to go before things get better.

    Our house last weekend decided there will be absolutely NO news media allowed to be watched, researched or discussion about coronavirus except for the governor press conference release of any mandates put into order. I will watch his daily press conference at 11:30 am just to gather any pertinent information. As for the numbers and cases, I don't want to know.
    We've been watching a lot of artists doing their live in house concerts.
    Garth Brooks was awesome last night.
    Stay safe and be well folks
    Peace and tuna

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    Re: Guides and social distancing on SR 2020/04/02 12:14:36 (permalink)
    Yes I am only reading our daily updates from the hospital. (18 employees now infected) .

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