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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/18 08:03:37 (permalink)
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more receipts on the strength of natural immunity from prior covid infection.

https://www.medrxiv.org/c...20.21255670v1.full.pdf



https://www.nytimes.com/2...onavirus-immunity.html

https://www.aier.org/arti...-you-need-the-vaccine/


I can’t see the Nyt article because of a paywall and the aier article is just a bunch of claims with no supporting evidence.

The Israel study is a much larger sample size, however on page 11 it refers to two other studies that both determined re- infection rates were as low as 80-83%. This suggests another problem in that there is some conflicting evidence regarding recovered / re-infected individuals.

This study also points out that immunity from both infection and vaccination is thought to be time dependent, as immunity may decrease with time. So individuals that were infected with covid last year may not have adequate immunity from future infection, and this is another reason why it’s recommended that everybody should get a shot regardless of whether they have had covid or not.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/18 11:11:17 (permalink)
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If your claim is that people who have had the virus are unlikely to get re-infected, that’s fine. It’s not a particularly surprising result.

 
that's it.  that's all i was saying.  
 
 
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 There are still far too many unanswered questions and too much uncertainty for REAL scientists to confidently say that people who have had covid are adequately protected against re-infection.
 
Propping up these studies with small sample sizes while trying undermine confidence in the real science behind vaccine testing suggests you (1) either have no idea what you are talking about or (2) you are being deliberately misleading.



i'm not undermining confidence in the vaccine.  i'm comparing what's always been true in the world of medicine - that natural immunity derived from prior infection has almost always been considered to be better than immunity derived from a vaccine.  
 
i think the vaccine is great.  it's been life changing for a lot of people i know and love and has given them the confidence to go places and do things they haven't done for a year.  i'm glad people are taking it, i'm glad that it's working, and i'm glad that it's allowing people to get back to living their lives.  
 
i think there are still also some cautions to be taken for some people in regards to the vaccine.  in some cases, there are compelling medical reasons to not get it.  i have a good friend who had guillain-barre syndrome about ten years ago who does administrative work in a medical setting.  she is willing to get vaccinated, but her doctor has told her not to take it.  
 
prior covid infection has been shown to also be correlated to greater risk of adverse reactions.  
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.15.21252192v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.26.21252096v1
 
the next big thing in vaccinations will be public schools and there's already very compelling evidence to not demand that kids <18 get vaccinated:
 
https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/373/bmj.n1197.full.pdf
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/18 11:19:30 (permalink)
Bottom line it will be gone by Easter!
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/18 12:32:02 (permalink)
Sort of sideways Covid related.

I was at my local hardware store yesterday to rent a rear time tiller. During the ensuing small talk, the owner mentioned that his store had been burglarized.

The details were interesting. Last fall, a family member car was left in one of the garage bays at the store (they service all their rental equipment and do small engine stuff too). The worker forgot to pull the door down at the end of the day and they keys were left in the car (the presumption was the door would be down and locked). A person wondered into the open door at night and stole the car (crime of opportunity). Turns out they were so whacked out on drugs that when they smashed the car into several things and eventually ran it out of gas, they called 911 for help. Of course, they were arrested and convicted of grand theft auto.

But after serving less than 30 days, they were released due to Covid concerns (they are in their 20’s, do little risk of serious complications, but it was an opportunity to lesson the prisoner population).

So, a month ago, the same guy shows up at night, smashes the window of one of their delivery trucks and finds the keys to the store in the console. He proceeds to rummage the store and stole quite a few items.

He was eventually caught and a few of the items were recovered, but most had already been sold for drug money. He was going up the river again, so he rolled over on a local shooting, providing the information on the gun used. In exchange for the information, he was left off on the burglary charges, without any consultation with the person from whom the items were taken.

In the end, somewhat because of Covid, this guy stole and wrecked a car; broke into a vehicle; burglarized a store and is back in the streets after serving less time than Martha Stewart.

In the meantime, the store owner has already seen an increase in his insurance premiums and now worries every night what is next.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/18 13:03:26 (permalink)
Walleye jigs
Bottom line it will be gone by Easter!


No Jigs - November 3rd remember? After November 3rd, it won't be a thing in the country any more.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/18 13:05:51 (permalink)
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Sort of sideways Covid related.

I was at my local hardware store yesterday to rent a rear time tiller. During the ensuing small talk, the owner mentioned that his store had been burglarized.

The details were interesting. Last fall, a family member car was left in one of the garage bays at the store (they service all their rental equipment and do small engine stuff too). The worker forgot to pull the door down at the end of the day and they keys were left in the car (the presumption was the door would be down and locked). A person wondered into the open door at night and stole the car (crime of opportunity). Turns out they were so whacked out on drugs that when they smashed the car into several things and eventually ran it out of gas, they called 911 for help. Of course, they were arrested and convicted of grand theft auto.

But after serving less than 30 days, they were released due to Covid concerns (they are in their 20’s, do little risk of serious complications, but it was an opportunity to lesson the prisoner population).

So, a month ago, the same guy shows up at night, smashes the window of one of their delivery trucks and finds the keys to the store in the console. He proceeds to rummage the store and stole quite a few items.

He was eventually caught and a few of the items were recovered, but most had already been sold for drug money. He was going up the river again, so he rolled over on a local shooting, providing the information on the gun used. In exchange for the information, he was left off on the burglary charges, without any consultation with the person from whom the items were taken.

In the end, somewhat because of Covid, this guy stole and wrecked a car; broke into a vehicle; burglarized a store and is back in the streets after serving less time than Martha Stewart.

In the meantime, the store owner has already seen an increase in his insurance premiums and now worries every night what is next.


That's a wild story. Not surprising though, drug addicts will do whatever they can for the next fix, and sounds like the guy was familiar. 
Gotta say though, pretty boneheaded move to leave an entire garage door open. I can hear my wife yelling at me now for something similar.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/18 13:39:37 (permalink)
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Walleye jigs
Bottom line it will be gone by Easter!


No Jigs - November 3rd remember? After November 3rd, it won't be a thing in the country any more.


Deep State invented this "coronavirus".  Infected the entire world, to knock Trump out of power.  Once it disappeared on November 3rd, the Deep State insisted on full control of the World, by forcing people to keep wear masks.  Masks contain every bit of your personal information and freedom.  Since they have all of your information and freedom now, they are telling people they can stop wearing.  It is classic Socialism.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/18 13:43:37 (permalink)
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Walleye jigs
Bottom line it will be gone by Easter!


No Jigs - November 3rd remember? After November 3rd, it won't be a thing in the country any more.


Deep State invented this "coronavirus".  Infected the entire world, to knock Trump out of power.  Once it disappeared on November 3rd, the Deep State insisted on full control of the World, by forcing people to keep wear masks.  Masks contain every bit of your personal information and freedom.  Since they have all of your information and freedom now, they are telling people they can stop wearing.  It is classic Socialism.


Yep. Then they did a deep cover Psy-op to remove the databases under the cover of the Arizona Election Recount to send the database to the "Cloud" which is a floating group of Servers that Trump had created to protect Christian integrity during the Shadow War of 2020. Isreal and Palestine is a distraction launched by the Biden Clone to cover for the war. The New World Order has begun and Trump will retain the helm from Mar-A-Lago.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/18 14:08:41 (permalink)
^^^^^Coming to a school board near YOU after today's primaries!!  Yay!!
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/20 09:47:05 (permalink)
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DarDys
Sort of sideways Covid related.

I was at my local hardware store yesterday to rent a rear time tiller. During the ensuing small talk, the owner mentioned that his store had been burglarized.

The details were interesting. Last fall, a family member car was left in one of the garage bays at the store (they service all their rental equipment and do small engine stuff too). The worker forgot to pull the door down at the end of the day and they keys were left in the car (the presumption was the door would be down and locked). A person wondered into the open door at night and stole the car (crime of opportunity). Turns out they were so whacked out on drugs that when they smashed the car into several things and eventually ran it out of gas, they called 911 for help. Of course, they were arrested and convicted of grand theft auto.

But after serving less than 30 days, they were released due to Covid concerns (they are in their 20’s, do little risk of serious complications, but it was an opportunity to lesson the prisoner population).

So, a month ago, the same guy shows up at night, smashes the window of one of their delivery trucks and finds the keys to the store in the console. He proceeds to rummage the store and stole quite a few items.

He was eventually caught and a few of the items were recovered, but most had already been sold for drug money. He was going up the river again, so he rolled over on a local shooting, providing the information on the gun used. In exchange for the information, he was left off on the burglary charges, without any consultation with the person from whom the items were taken.

In the end, somewhat because of Covid, this guy stole and wrecked a car; broke into a vehicle; burglarized a store and is back in the streets after serving less time than Martha Stewart.

In the meantime, the store owner has already seen an increase in his insurance premiums and now worries every night what is next.


That's a wild story. Not surprising though, drug addicts will do whatever they can for the next fix, and sounds like the guy was familiar. 
Gotta say though, pretty boneheaded move to leave an entire garage door open. I can hear my wife yelling at me now for something similar.


Real dumb move on the door and I suspect that person is no longer employed there. If it had not been left open, perhaps the original crime would not have occurred.

But, had there not been a prison population dump for Covid, there would definitely not have been the burglary because the convict would have been in the pokey for years, not less than a month.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/26 21:39:57 (permalink)
https://news.yahoo.com/youngest-children-should-keep-masking-up-cdc-director-says-even-as-experts-question-the-need-233924386.html

my goodness even yahoo news is clowning c.d.c. director rochelle walensky and her anti-science bullshiit with kids and covid.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/27 15:09:01 (permalink)
I wonder if this will make it into VAERs.
 
https://www.legacy.com/ob...98773703&fhid=9756
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/27 15:46:24 (permalink)
Gets scary- my youngest son ( 47) told me yesterday a good friend and co worker  of his  had the shot on a recent AM was in the Hosp in the PM and deceased the next AM
 
Probably rarer than a lightning strike but still gives ya the chills
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/31 10:40:12 (permalink)
I wonder if anybody has checked into if the vaccine has anything to do with all the mass shootings going on lately? Maybe the vaccine messes with the mind.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/05/31 22:15:44 (permalink)
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I wonder if anybody has checked into if the vaccine has anything to do with all the mass shootings going on lately? Maybe the vaccine messes with the mind.



Thank you so very much for this. The weather this weekend was kinda trash, so logging in here and seeing this is fantastic. 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/01 08:27:27 (permalink)
No, but funny now that Trump is gone, the Wuhan lab leak theory is no longer "fake news" and gaining LOTS of traction, from both sides....funny how that works....but hey, anything to get rid of mean tweets.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/01 09:21:12 (permalink)
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No, but funny now that Trump is gone, the Wuhan lab leak theory is no longer "fake news" and gaining LOTS of traction, from both sides....funny how that works....but hey, anything to get rid of mean tweets.


I hear ya, however, if Trump would have come out and stated to the American people that the "intelligence community", which he continually undermined, was investigating the possibility then it wouldn't have been nearly as divisive.  To me, that's what it comes down to and that's what gives the accusation credibility.  
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/01 18:56:26 (permalink)
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No, but funny now that Trump is gone, the Wuhan lab leak theory is no longer "fake news" and gaining LOTS of traction, from both sides....funny how that works....but hey, anything to get rid of mean tweets.


I hear ya, however, if Trump would have come out and stated to the American people that the "intelligence community", which he continually undermined, was investigating the possibility then it wouldn't have been nearly as divisive.  To me, that's what it comes down to and that's what gives the accusation credibility.  



Instead of blaming Trump for once again being correct. Do you ever hold the news media accountable for once again “misreporting” your “news”. Do you ever hold yourself accountable for always believing the media that is constantly attempting to mislead you.
 
Ever hear the phrase, “the wisdom of youth”?     Me neither, and there is a reason you have never heard it.
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/01 22:42:53 (permalink)
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huh, wonder why fauci has been awol from the media for the past week? i’m sure he’s probably just really busy and it has nothing to do with his e mails being released or the new journalistic curiosity about the wuhan lab.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/01 23:21:57 (permalink)
^ And that's the worst one? From Feb 5th 2020?

Yikes man 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 00:18:52 (permalink)
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^ And that's the worst one? From Feb 5th 2020?

Yikes man 


not even close really.

just kinda funny to think about how the mask cult will spin this when they realize they’ve been lied to for over a year about its magic powers.

you still gonna be mad when the unvaxxed don’t wear a mask in your presence?
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 01:04:31 (permalink)
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 07:53:19 (permalink)
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^ And that's the worst one? From Feb 5th 2020?

Yikes man 


not even close really.

just kinda funny to think about how the mask cult will spin this when they realize they’ve been lied to for over a year about its magic powers.

you still gonna be mad when the unvaxxed don’t wear a mask in your presence?


Here is the CDC recommendation one week after Fauci's email.  Where is this lying you are talking about?  https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0212-cdc-telebriefing-transcript.html  
 
 CDC does not currently recommend the use of face masks for the general public.  This virus is not spreading in the community.  If you are sick or a patient under investigation and not hospitalized, CDC recommends wearing a face mask when around other people and before entering a health care provider’s office, but when you are alone, in your home, you do not need to wear a mask.  People who are in close contact with someone with novel coronavirus, for example, household contacts and care givers of people with known or suspected 2019, I’m sorry, nCoV 2019, we should wear a face mask if they are in the same room as the patient and that patient is not able to wear a face mask.  Health care personnel should wear PPE including respirators when caring for confirmed or possible nCoV patients because they’re in direct contact with those patients which increases their risk of exposure.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 08:24:51 (permalink)
That has ALWAYS been the message from Fauci/CDC/Surgeon General/Birx/actual scientists about masks.  They were/are to protect others, in the case that someone either asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic or the slob that is symptomatic went out in public anyway. 
 
Masks absorb some respiratory droplets, decreasing the viral load on others and giving a chance of not spreading.
 
The reason most gave Trump grief about not wearing, was his followers do anything that he does/says/Tweets.  If he is refusing to wear one, so are they.  With the highest level of testing to keep infected people away and other measures to keep ONE man from getting it, besides wearing masks, the idiot still got it.  I like soldiers that don't get captured, amiright? 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 09:04:38 (permalink)
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No, but funny now that Trump is gone, the Wuhan lab leak theory is no longer "fake news" and gaining LOTS of traction, from both sides....funny how that works....but hey, anything to get rid of mean tweets.


I hear ya, however, if Trump would have come out and stated to the American people that the "intelligence community", which he continually undermined, was investigating the possibility then it wouldn't have been nearly as divisive.  To me, that's what it comes down to and that's what gives the accusation credibility.  



Instead of blaming Trump for once again being correct. Do you ever hold the news media accountable for once again “misreporting” your “news”. Do you ever hold yourself accountable for always believing the media that is constantly attempting to mislead you.
 
Ever hear the phrase, “the wisdom of youth”?     Me neither, and there is a reason you have never heard it.
 


I don't "believe" anything until it happens and is a fact.  This scenario isn't a fact so I'm still listening.  My point was that if Donald acted like an adult and presented the situation rationally he would have more people listen to him seriously.  That's his fault.  I guess we'll eventually see what the "origins" of the virus are, or, we won't.  
I don't dive into the "media" conjecture.  
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 09:16:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby drawde 2021/06/02 20:14:42
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That has ALWAYS been the message from Fauci/CDC/Surgeon General/Birx/actual scientists about masks.  They were/are to protect others, in the case that someone either asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic or the slob that is symptomatic went out in public anyway. 
 
Masks absorb some respiratory droplets, decreasing the viral load on others and giving a chance of not spreading.
 


“the typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective at keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material.”

so it doesn’t keep it out but it keeps it in? it’s magic!

pore size of most masks = 30 microns

size of coronavirus = .1 to .2 microns

plus gaps around your mask much, much bigger than 30 microns.

primary means of transmission = airborne viral particles.

you mask cultists really still don’t understand that the pores are 150-300 times bigger than the viral particles and that viral particles shed through simply breathing or speaking go right through that, and through the gaps in a mask that are much bigger than that?

when somebody coughs or sprays do you think all of those viral particles stay completely and perfectly in a cohesive group inside each droplet of a certain size and stay contained inside the mask?
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 09:23:08 (permalink)
"Trump being correct";
 
Hydroxychloroquine being the cure for COVID.
 
It is under control, it will be gone by Easter... election day...  Like it didn't even happen...
 
No knowledge of the meeting with Russian agents at Trump Tower. 
 
It was a perfect call.
 
Rigged election (2016 version 1).
 
Rigged election (2020 version 2).
 
Michael Cohen, who???
 
Feel free to add to the list.  We can probably have this over 50 by the end of the day.
 
When half of what comes out of a person's mouth is a lie, should we really be celebrating when he possibly tells the truth?  When something he is saying is either from a right wing conspiracy source, or complete breach of National Security from incomplete classified intelligence gathering at the time?
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 09:35:35 (permalink)
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That has ALWAYS been the message from Fauci/CDC/Surgeon General/Birx/actual scientists about masks.  They were/are to protect others, in the case that someone either asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic or the slob that is symptomatic went out in public anyway. 
 
Masks absorb some respiratory droplets, decreasing the viral load on others and giving a chance of not spreading.
 


“the typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective at keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material.”

so it doesn’t keep it out but it keeps it in? it’s magic!

pore size of most masks = 30 microns

size of coronavirus = .1 to .2 microns

plus gaps around your mask much, much bigger than 30 microns.

primary means of transmission = airborne viral particles.

you mask cultists really still don’t understand that the pores are 150-300 times bigger than the viral particles and that viral particles shed through simply breathing or speaking go right through that, and through the gaps in a mask that are much bigger than that?

when somebody coughs or sprays do you think all of those viral particles stay completely and perfectly in a cohesive group inside each droplet of a certain size and stay contained inside the mask?

It doesn't stop 100%, so must be ineffective...
 
It has always been about limiting.  You know that, but must prove you are right.  Did you do that?  I hope so.  Pandemic Over.  Wait, that was last September right?
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 10:10:06 (permalink)
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when somebody coughs or sprays do you think all of those viral particles stay completely and perfectly in a cohesive group inside each droplet of a certain size and stay contained inside the mask?



Well do you really think NONE of the viral particles stay in the droplets? Because if you are arguing that masks do nothing then that would have to be an underlying assumption.

So it would also follow that if any viral particles that are contained in moisture droplets are caught in the mask, then that means the mask is doing *something* to contain the spread of the virus.

The effectiveness of the mask would be debatable, yes, and it may depend on variables such as the mask material and the way it is worn on the face.

But certainly it would NOT be debatable as to whether the mask is “magic” or whether it “does nothing”.

So what is your argument then? That every single viral particle has magically passed through every cloth covering of every single mask wearer in the entire world for the last 12+ months? Please explain the physics of how that is possible.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/02 10:16:11 (permalink)
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But certainly it would NOT be debatable as to whether the mask is “magic” or whether it “does nothing”.


But somehow we are still debating it...
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