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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/20 16:37:51 (permalink)
so for those of you involved with youth sports as parents or coaches, how ya like these new mask mandates from wolf and levine? masks on during practice and games at all times unless you’re outside and more than six feet apart.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/20 17:05:25 (permalink)
Yea I guess the pro's are special the rules don't apply to them.I guess they never leave the field ,go home ,go shopping and the things normal people do so they couldn't possibly spread the virus. One of the reasons this mask and mitigation crap isn't working too many special people and exemptions.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/20 18:06:05 (permalink)

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/20 18:45:40 (permalink)
What shame. Don Jr tested positive. Maybe daddy finally gave him the hug he has longed for since his childhood. I thought this was going to go away Nov 4th? If I was DJ, I wouldn't worry too much. Covid death numbers are next to nothing. Isnt that right?
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/20 18:51:35 (permalink)
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so for those of you involved with youth sports as parents or coaches, how ya like these new mask mandates from wolf and levine? masks on during practice and games at all times unless you’re outside and more than six feet apart.

Sports are supposedly done in Allegheny County with “stay at home” order. Funny how the WPIAL playoffs are still going on. Pretty sure they have to wear masks unless they got a special waiver? We have two sport masks on order. Our kids have had a few practices with them. They said they are annoying. I have coached with them on and jumped into scrimmages. They didn’t stay on long... I can only run about 100 yards without being winded, with a mask, it is about half that! Being in shape helps a lot though.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/20 20:30:07 (permalink)
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so for those of you involved with youth sports as parents or coaches, how ya like these new mask mandates from wolf and levine? masks on during practice and games at all times unless you’re outside and more than six feet apart.

Sports are supposedly done in Allegheny County with “stay at home” order. Funny how the WPIAL playoffs are still going on. Pretty sure they have to wear masks unless they got a special waiver? We have two sport masks on order. Our kids have had a few practices with them. They said they are annoying. I have coached with them on and jumped into scrimmages. They didn’t stay on long... I can only run about 100 yards without being winded, with a mask, it is about half that! Being in shape helps a lot though.


i think the intent of the rule was to shut down youth sports state wide without actually saying they were shutting down sports.

piaa said in their press release wednesday that not a single cluster or larger outbreak among kids or teens was traced to any of the thousands of sports teams across the state this fall.

with all the safety training i have to go through every year to coach sports in our middle school and high school i cannot fathom how a state health director would demand that a child’s or teen’s ability to breathe during exertion should be intentionally restricted. not to mention how many germs will be passed by constantly adjusting masks and touching faces; and absorbed and inhaled into sweat soaked fabric over a kids’ face.

some schools in butler and armstrong county have postponed the start of winter sports practices. ours did not and we went back to full cyber in k-12 this past monday. the issue was not too many kids or staff getting the virus (some of each have) but too many staff having to quarantine because of close contact with positive people outside of school.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/20 23:05:18 (permalink)
I am sure the intent. I’ll send my kids until they don’t allow. Luckily my kids train in Washington County...

PIAA is insane if they think that is true though. There are hundreds of examples in the south hills alone in spread from teammates. Not saying kids shouldn’t be in sports, but to say it isn’t spreading there is ridiculous.

I’m with you on what you mentioned a few months back about the protecting the most at risk, although personally still just fine with the mask in public. What you mentioned about certain stores being mask mandatory and others “enter at your own risk”, to me is fine, honestly that seemed to happen regardless of the state saying so... Every restaurant and bar that I have been in (5 total since March), as soon as you got to your seat, masks were gone... Hmmm, wonder why things would spread, but yeah, I was guilty too. After the summer surge under those conditions or less restrictive in many areas and seeing what new treatments available have cut the death rate of the most vulnerable down considerably, it is definitely different than March. Still concerning, but not nearly as bad.

If there would only be a plan in place to focus protection on that crowd, we could save thousands. My parents and most other “conservative” elderly are saying “heck no” to the advisories to limit Thanksgiving family gatherings, only because of who is delivering the message. It is all over the MSM to not have, but completely opposite message from the conservative media.

To me, losing one Thanksgiving with family and find out “those socialists took my freedom” is much less of a gamble than possibly joining the expected 450K+ deaths. Especially this close to a vaccine. Where the heck is this conservative based plan, on conservative based media??? Disgraceful at best.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/20 23:16:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fisherlady2 2020/11/21 08:11:19
A horror story - for your consideration.

I’m part of a very large, close family. Two weeks ago, my brother-in-law passed away. It was not unexpected. He was elderly, diabetic, and had cancer. My sister insisted on “normal” funeral arrangements, including 4 hr one day viewing, ceremony at the cemetery and a luncheon afterward. My wife and I visited with my sister for 10 minutes prior to the viewing hours. Many of my other siblings and nieces and nephews were there, however we avoided contact. The funeral home itself had absolutely no procedures in place relative to avoiding virus transmission. Some of my relatives wore masks, a majority did not. We were masked.

The funeral was on Tuesday. By Friday, people were getting sick. Currently, 14 members of my family are sick with Covid. An unknown number of friends and visitors are also sick. Most are recovering, however one of my sisters and her husband are terribly ill. My BIL is hospitalized and my sister is receiving round the clock care at home. Another niece is hospitalized in another state. This all happened so quickly, and is so broad that we’ve been unable to trace the origins. We have learned that my late BIL’s home care nurse was positive/asymptomatic. Also, considering the odd symptoms my late BIL exhibited immediately before his passing, it seems likely that Covid was the immediate cause of death. In his case it obviously didn’t take much.

What we are left with now is hope and prayers.

Please be careful. Don’t drop your guard. I think in our case the desire to come together, as we have always done, was so powerful that it overtook our collective Covid-sense.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 01:47:08 (permalink)
Irish, I'm sorry buddy. I'm sorry for your loss.
It's all terrible. Best wishes man. I hope everyone is alright.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 07:36:13 (permalink)
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so for those of you involved with youth sports as parents or coaches, how ya like these new mask mandates from wolf and levine? masks on during practice and games at all times unless you’re outside and more than six feet apart.

It sucks...but, just another obstacle to overcome.  The boys handled it well on the first night of official practice.  Better than the alternative. 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 07:37:35 (permalink)
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Irish, I'm sorry buddy. I'm sorry for your loss.
It's all terrible. Best wishes man. I hope everyone is alright.


Same Irish...my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.  Take care brother...
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 08:20:51 (permalink)
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A horror story - for your consideration.

The funeral was on Tuesday. By Friday, people were getting sick. Currently, 14 members of my family are sick with Covid. An unknown number of friends and visitors are also sick. Most are recovering, however one of my sisters and her husband are terribly ill. My BIL is hospitalized and my sister is receiving round the clock care at home. Another niece is hospitalized in another state. This all happened so quickly, and is so broad that we’ve been unable to trace the origins. We have learned that my late BIL’s home care nurse was positive/asymptomatic. Also, considering the odd symptoms my late BIL exhibited immediately before his passing, it seems likely that Covid was the immediate cause of death. In his case it obviously didn’t take much.

What we are left with now is hope and prayers.

Please be careful. Don’t drop your guard. I think in our case the desire to come together, as we have always done, was so powerful that it overtook our collective Covid-sense.



Irish, I am so sorry to hear of your family going through this, both the initial loss of your BIL and now the illness effecting so many other loved ones. Thank you for sharing this though, because if it allows even one person to think twice about a planned activity it may save another family from similar pain. 
 
Media has sometimes hyped this, politicians have sometimes tried to ignore this... but families are having to deal with it in real life, and it is often tragic. Ask any medical care workers, whether long term care facility, EMS, ER or ICU. The terrible toll is real and anything we can do to reduce or avoid it can only help, if not ourselves, then maybe someone more vulnerable. 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 08:24:55 (permalink)
And BTW.... I am not a proponent of shutting everything down, but some changes in personal behaviors, short term sacrifices and common sense may save someone you love, or someone else's loved one. It all comes down to personal choices...
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 09:25:22 (permalink)
That is terrible Irish. My heart goes out to you and your family. Here's hoping everyone comes through ok.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 10:56:33 (permalink)
That is scary and terrible Irish. So very sorry to hear. Heres to hoping some folks learn from your family’s experience and make safer choices this winter.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 11:05:27 (permalink)
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PIAA is insane if they think that is true though. There are hundreds of examples in the south hills alone in spread from teammates. Not saying kids shouldn’t be in sports, but to say it isn’t spreading there is ridiculous.

I’m with you on what you mentioned a few months back about the protecting the most at risk, although personally still just fine with the mask in public. What you mentioned about certain stores being mask mandatory and others “enter at your own risk”, to me is fine,


piaa was talking specifically about school sports and cases being traced to school practices or games. i saw a few instances where one or two teams in the wpial had one or two kids test positive on a team but never saw anything that linked positives on teams to team activities.

winter sports started yesterday for the wpial. i normally have 20-30 kids sign up for 7th grade hoops and have to have tryouts and make cuts. this year only 11. same with the 8th grade coach. we are just doing a lot of ball handling and shooting drills without the normal exertion we put players through for now.

i really have no problems with scaling back on non essential activities or large gatherings of people. almost everyone i know is doing that voluntarily right now anyway and have been for a couple weeks. even though none of my kids are in a school or community sport right now i’m glad that most states are still allowing youth sports. think it’s so important for kids and keeps them healthier. and large spreading events among young kids and from kids to adults is very rare from all the contact tracing that’s been done around the world where kids congregate. not that it doesn’t happen but it’s not a driver of significant spread.

i’ve had about ten in restaurant meals since summer. my wife won’t do it at all, but she works in a small private healthcare setting and one positive case in her office would mean a shutdown for the whole business so she takes her responsibility there seriously.

bill deblasio gave an interview this week in which he said with all of the contact tracing in nyc that no clusters or widespread transmission was traced to any gyms or restaurants. i was pretty surprised to hear that.

irish my condolences to you and your family on your loss and i hope and pray your sister and brother in law pull through this as well as the rest of your affected family members and friends.

i have a good friend right now who tested positive last week and has covid pneumonia where the ct scan showed the ground glass syndrome in his lungs. he had been coughing up blood for a day or two and having trouble breathing and is in pretty poor overall health to begin with. steroids started yesterday have helped him improve a lot already.

in butler county the state dept of health website says it is now in 22 long term care facilities. ltc deaths in the county have gone from 3 to 24 in the last two to three weeks. as best as i can tell this accounts for every or nearly every death in butler county in that time.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 11:16:00 (permalink)
Thank you all for your concern. Much appreciated. I hesitated before posting this due to the personal nature. Ultimately, I thought that it might serve a positive purpose if I shared it. Apparently, funerals in general are serious spreader events.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 14:15:06 (permalink)
Eyeball, sorry for your loss. Extending prayers for you and all your immediate family for complete recoveries. There are times when you just gotta ask the Lord to intervene. These are the times.
 
On another note, 40 million doses of vaccine ready just as soon as the Food & Drug Administration gives the green light. Healthcare workers and nursing homes are in the first order, followed by those 65 and over. 40 million only treats 20 million as they have to have the follow up in 20 days or so. If the FDA approves, those Pharma companies will really ramp it up. (ya know how it is, there's money to be made).

It is better to have loved and lost than to live with a psycho for the rest of your life.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 14:16:47 (permalink)
Sorry for your loss and it is hoped that the other difficulties end in a favorable manner for you and yours.

Never hesitate to post something like that. While we may at times have serious disagreements, at then end of the day, we sporting types are sympathetic, empathetic, and caring human beings that truly care about our fellow outdoors people.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 18:51:25 (permalink)
Sorry to read this Irish- wish you and your family well as this terrible disease continues-the shots cant come soon enough.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/21 21:00:34 (permalink)
Irish - Sorry for your loss and craziness you are dealing with.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/23 10:50:46 (permalink)
I would like to add my condolences to those already posted. There was a time, not too long ago when I didn't know anyone who had the virus. Not so now. 
I hope the vaccines that will be available shortly help to eradicate this terrible disease and people can get back to living a more normal life. Curious as to how many people will be willing to get it. I know of people who refuse to even get a flu shot.  I hope the vaccines don't have too many bad side effects the way the Swine Flu vaccines did. Memory serves me correctly, it was also rushed into production. 
I will probably get vaccinated when it becomes available, but will get the one produced by Pfizer as I am morally opposed to the one being produced by Moderna.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/23 14:54:21 (permalink)
I think the only vaccine with verified issues, Guillian Barre syndrome (which most recover from), was the 1976 swine flu vaccine. There is 1-2 per million dose estimate for the annual influenza vaccine, which is the same or slightly higher than just getting GBS. With the swine flu vaccine of 76, there was something like 10 for every million. This was supposedly fixed in the most recent swine flu vaccine a few years ago. Which is still much lower odds than complications of Covid, especially if you are in a higher risk for Covid. They say higher risk for GBS is over 50. I am not sure if they rushed the 76 vaccine. I don’t think so. I think they just changed the dead cell material that they use in other influenza vaccines, with that strain. Just going off of what I have read about the current Covid vaccines being different.

Which, you may want to research Pfizer’s as well. From what I had read, it is the same technology used. Genetic clones of proteins that they isolated that somehow trigger the immune response that triggers the correct antibodies for Covid. Neither takes directly from aborted fetuses, but I am pretty sure they are all clones from those from a long time ago.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/26 08:45:43 (permalink)
We are having a small 'protest' at my house this afternoon - one of our sons and his family will attend- the other son and his family live in Vermont and because of new 'rules' cannot leave and pass through Mass or into Ct.
The protest will be silent and done as we have a nice dinner.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/26 08:59:23 (permalink)
r3 we are doing the same a small gathering wife ,my sons wife and my 2 grandchildren.They have a huge house so we can keep some distance. Soon I believe we will need papers to travel remind you of somewhere else a long time ago!!!
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/26 09:50:17 (permalink)
 -its scarey
Have the kids turn in the parents at school- have the neighbors turn in the neighbors-no travel without filling out computer forms ( travel papers) to the state and quarantining and having tests first- -the same coming back home so even a one days stay is two tests and about a month of total quarantine-No church but its OK to go to the big box grocery or hardware store with a hundred customer cars in the lot -huge fines and closure of struggling small businesses for minor violations-elections where more people vote than are registered-Elites doing all the things they are telling us we cant do- second amendment attacks-defund police- let riots go on for months- release arrested rioters with no charges- etc etc etc
Who woulda ever thought--
Also, whats the next - 'keep them down and in line ' emergency gonna be now that they know they can get away with it ???
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/27 09:04:50 (permalink)
https://www.jhunewsletter...&ct=clnk&gl=ca]https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jg06Kqj1tvsJ:https://www.jhunewsletter...&ct=clnk&gl=ca[/link]
 
So why was this article removed from John's Hopkins website?  Who did it trigger?
This is the webcache version that is posted.....
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/27 09:29:44 (permalink)
Seems kinda interesting that gross deaths rise each year lately-
Hmmmm- perhaps my huge generation of baby boomers which occurred right after WW 2 is getting older and time is running out on us.
In a number of years  we are gonna look for these numbers to drop significantly.
Wonder who will take credit for that   lol
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/27 09:39:38 (permalink)
Due to some moron who ran a red light at almost 2X the speed limit and took the front end off my SUV, I had to rent a vehicle. It has NY plates. I sincerely hope that I don’t continually get stopped for possibly being in Covid travel violation.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/11/27 10:25:06 (permalink)
No problem Dar-
Just fill out the form for interstate travel and carry -your papers- a copy with you along with a recent negative 19 test result copy.
Also you must be prepared to state you have been self quarantined for at least 14 days prior to being stopped.
All in the new America.
( I seem to remember stories of another govt with restrictions wayyyy back in the 30s and early 40s-give to me your papers pleze))
 
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Might also be a good idea to put a Biden/Harris bumper sticker on the car-for camouflage.
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