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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 11:10:18 (permalink)
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Trump may well be correct in a relaxing of restrictions-perhaps  in those rural areas- in the not too distant future- depending on people kinda staying put at home elsewhere.

I don't think Trump had put any restrictions on these areas, besides the CDC recommendations.
 
States have put their own restrictions out.
 
I think we would all agree that this is hitting the highly populated areas worse than the rural areas.  Should the relief funding, then be directed more to those areas?
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 11:20:55 (permalink)
Anyways rsquared, eyes, pork, DarDy I enjoyed your thoughts and info.

Personal observation from this area of the deep south.

Folks are calm, going about thier daily deeds. Traffic along the highways and byways definitely not normal for this time of year.

Public beaches remain closed for now and that does include fishing. However, the public fishing pier is said to be open.

Local folks I've spoken to say grocery stores are stable and well stocked. That being good news as I am about to see first hand as I prep for our journey north.

Neighbors of mine just returned from a visit back to thier hometown were saying how interesting it was stopping at the big box stores and seeing empty shelves (unless you only need beer) yet the smaller stores had what they needed.... including TP.

Hamburger is another item apparently becoming scarce among food items and my Wally App shows limited cuts of beef and chicken..... lot's of beer though. Seafood, though frozen, appears to be stable for now.

Wishing all well, be safe and util next time... your friend and mine, BTDT.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 11:39:48 (permalink)
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Trump may well be correct in a relaxing of restrictions-perhaps  in those rural areas- in the not too distant future- depending on people kinda staying put at home elsewhere.

I don't think Trump had put any restrictions on these areas, besides the CDC recommendations.
 
States have put their own restrictions out.
 
I think we would all agree that this is hitting the highly populated areas worse than the rural areas.  Should the relief funding, then be directed more to those areas?


Yes they should (and will, I’m guessing) get the bulk of it. The only exception should be the small businesses in rural areas which are going to get damaged because of some governors clamping the whole state under the same restrictions as their urban areas.

Wolf, to his credit, has not shut down all counties (except for liquor stores), but just the hotspot ones. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that this was a well thought out move and not some operative counting the possible votes outside of Philly and da ‘Burgh.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 11:46:39 (permalink)
Rsquared - 
The article also does not incorporate the increase in mortality rate, when healthcare systems are overrun.  Which, out of following this whole thing, is what I see to be of the most concern, at least listening to the healthcare professionals.  When the system isn't overrun, this disease is not much of an issue, which seems to be what this article is stating. They do not include other mortality rates rising from other diseases, if the healthcare systems are overrun as well.  If the annual flu death toll is 40k and this year it is 60k, with spikes in areas that are hit hard with COVID-19, wouldn't it be safe to assume, that some of that is from lack of healthcare?  The healthcare professionals in NYC right now are stretched thin.  Those flu, cancer, heart disease and other patients would be getting much different treatment if hospitalized 2-3 months ago.
 
I do think the overall message of the article, is that there really isn't enough data to support 2 million people dead from this.  Which honestly, that number was a high end, "do nothing" number thrown around.  More or less, "just do the math" off of basic data.  Which I think is the premises of this article, that doing math off of basic data is misleading.  Which I would agree.  But throwing in what I mentioned about mortality rates of other diseases going up when healthcare systems are overstretched, that 2M number could be pretty close.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 11:56:10 (permalink)
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Socialism to the rescue ....government checks on the way for all !  You just know Bernie is snickering.
 
Can micro waves kill this virus ? Just wondering ...while we clean household items . 


I have not heard the latest details of the stimulus plan Capt.

What part of the plan intended to protect and keep America moving did Pelosi and her new socialist party get pushed through? Pay off student loans, solar power, airline footprint, etc???


As for the micro-wave thingy, that would be great if the virus could be killed by a household appliance.

Just think of all the antenna towers, in your area alone, producing millions upon millions of watts of power 24/7.

I'd think the virus would explode like popcorn.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 12:07:23 (permalink)
Hey, just thinking out loud but that's me being me.

Anyways, most current stats regarding the Opioid epidemic and related deaths in the U.S alone?
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2020/03/25 12:25:03

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 12:36:29 (permalink)
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 12:47:13 (permalink)
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/.../20190911/20190911.htm


Thank you, thank you.

Be safe out there Fisherlady... stay well.

Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~
 
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 13:00:30 (permalink)
This is a lot of reading, but it is an informational page from Harvard... so I would consider this on the same level of 'reputable sources' as the CDC or Surgeon General. And no hype, hysterics or politics. 
 
https://www.health.harvar...avirus-resource-center
 
Many I have talked to have questioned the extreme measures taken, wanting to compare this to a flu outbreak, and in some ways that is understandable... but this section of the above linked page is something I see as setting this apart from the flu epidemics. It is the sneakiness of this condition which facilitates its rapid spread unless extreme precautions are followed and the length of the infirmity of those infected.  Think about it guys, we get the flu almost yearly, usually going through 3 to 5 days of misery and then begin to get back to normal.... this thing can get you for 2 to 6 weeks. With those time frames on recovery how much risk do you want to take? 
 
Excerpt From the article..
How soon after I'm infected with the new coronavirus will I start to be contagious?
The time from exposure to symptom onset (known as the incubation period) is thought to be 14 days, though symptoms typically appear within four or five days after exposure. We don't know the extent to which people who are not yet experiencing symptoms can infect others, but it's possible that people may be contagious for several days before they become symptomatic.
For how long after I am infected will I continue to be contagious? At what point in my illness will I be most contagious?
People are thought to be most contagious early in the course of their illness, when they are beginning to experience symptoms. Researchers have detected viral genetic material in patients several weeks after they've recovered from COVID-19. Though the significance of these findings is not fully understood, it suggests the possibility that people may continue to be contagious for weeks after they are feeling better?
 
If I get sick with COVID-19, how long until I will feel better?
It depends on how sick you get. Those with mild cases appear to recover within one to two weeks. With severe cases, recovery can take six weeks or more. According to the most recent estimates, about 1% of infected persons will succumb to the disease.
How long after I start to feel better will be it be safe for me to go back out in public again?
We don't know for certain. Based on research that has detected viral genetic material in patients several weeks after they've recovered from COVID-19, it is safest to assume that you may be contagious for weeks after you recover.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 13:02:47 (permalink)
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/.../20190911/20190911.htm


Thank you, thank you.

Be safe out there Fisherlady... stay well.


I am trying, trust me! I just wish folks would follow the basic guidelines.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 13:23:39 (permalink)
Great stuff Fisherlady!  
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 13:41:15 (permalink)
I was just thinking of using a microwave to (zap ) sanitize small objects like newspaper , mail, or cloth objects, mostly stuff that can't be wet or washed ....just wondering if it helps or not....just thinking out loud .....also.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 13:52:26 (permalink)
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I was just thinking of using a microwave to (zap ) sanitize small objects like newspaper , mail, or cloth objects, mostly stuff that can't be wet or washed ....just wondering if it helps or not....just thinking out loud .....also.


You are much better off with a narrow band, far-UVC light.
https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/can-uv-light-fight-spread-influenza
 
Can even buy bulbs at Lowes (if you can find them).
https://www.lowes.com/pd/GE-Germicidal-65-Watt-64-in-Miniature-Bi-pin-T5-Natural-Daylight-Fluorescent-Light-Bulb/1001093044?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-lit-_-google-_-pla-_-143-_-soslightbulbs-_-1001093044-_-0&placeholder=null&gclid=CjwKCAjwguzzBRBiEiwAgU0FT1J9y3Rlmo-2yxZdAxz5bye-8Wy7xb_if1yEi4zFxStbUHtzxT5qUBoCrRoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 14:09:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CAPTAIN HOOK 2020/03/25 16:06:04
I just saw this site surfing through some links in articles.  This appears to be the clinical trial for the use of the hydroxychloroquine use in NY.  It says use from 2-5 days, started yesterday.  Not sure if they will post updates on this or not.
 
1600 people in the trial.  There is just hydroxychloroquine in this study (I believe) and a placebo. 
 
How unlucky are you to be taking the placebo...
 
There could be other clinical trials with the azithromycin?
 
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04318444?cond=Coronavirus&cntry=US&draw=2&rank=4
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 14:23:59 (permalink)
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I was just thinking of using a microwave to (zap ) sanitize small objects like newspaper , mail, or cloth objects, mostly stuff that can't be wet or washed ....just wondering if it helps or not....just thinking out loud .....also.




My wife does that with kitchen sponges quite often.  Don't know exactly how effective it is.  
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 14:45:54 (permalink)
Dave I've heard that about sponges too. Also baby bottles etc.

Some FFT for sanitizing dry items.



The manual for your microwave may recommend placing a small amount of water into the compartment with dry items.

A 2nd caution, distilled water can/may suddenly boil over the container, while removing from the microwave.

Placing an object into the container after heating water will cause a reaction.
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2020/03/25 14:48:34

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 15:01:38 (permalink)
From what I have read, this virus will break down with "extreme heat".  I can't find any conclusive number, but have seen 56 Celcius, which is like 133 F.  I would look for a better number though, if you go that route.
 
I know when we got pick-up food a few days ago, my wife had read that you should take the food out of all containers they provide, then reheat in the oven for a while.  We did 350 for 6 minutes.  Kind of dried out the food a bit, but hopefully killed anything.  Supposedly you can eat food covered in it and your stomach acid will destroy it.  I'm not willing to test that though.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 15:12:15 (permalink)
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Supposedly you can eat food covered in it and your stomach acid will destroy it.  I'm not willing to test that though.




 
Man I wish I had known this yesterday.  
 
Took my boys to Erie to fish.  Took our own food, did our best to avoid touching trees or other things on trails and paths.   Stopped to empty my first cup of morning coffee on an off ramp on 79 instead of a rest area.  All that stuff.  Everyone on the streams stayed far apart.  Etc, etc.  
 
But it killed me not to eat at Teresa's!  But I promised my wife we wouldn't.  I would have definitely taken the chance had I known that!   
 
I eat crap for lunch or dinner a few times a week at local places, and frequently stop and buy junk food throughout the day.  My wife's been making me eat healthy, and it's not all bad honestly.  But man was I jonesing for some Teresa's yesterday!  
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 15:38:50 (permalink)
I'm not about to test that myself...  This is what one of my wife's friends said (CMU science professor).  I would imagine that if it was "heavily" infected, you could breath while some of it was still in your mouth, way to your mouth or touch your face after touching something infected.  Or some rubbed against your throat on the way down.
 
To me, smart move taking food.  Good to hear people are sticking away from each other on the streams.  Nothing better for getting your mind off of this stuff.
 
I've done the same on off ramps...  Coffee can be unpredictable like that.  I can be fine driving for 2 hours, then within 10 minutes I can go from "I could probably use the bathroom" to "I need to stop now"!!!
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 15:49:54 (permalink)
Saw an article on MSN that the Great Wall of China has reopened.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 16:03:42 (permalink)
Thanks for the info guys ......I have a large personal water bottle I reuse in my fridge a lot ....when I clean it now and then I not only use soap and hot water but scrub with a bottle brush. I also add some vinegar when it's done just to really kill any thing that might be in it  .....I spray my outside grille all the time before cooking with vinegar ....kills most food bacteria.   
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 16:38:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CAPTAIN HOOK 2020/03/25 21:08:40
I have read that vinegar does not kill coronavirus.
 
https://www.consumerreports.org/cleaning/common-household-products-that-can-destroy-novel-coronavirus/
 
I usually let my mail sit in my garage for a few days.  It is mostly junk anyway...  Or spray with Lysol if I want to open soon.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 16:46:58 (permalink)
Ct just opened fishing  few weeks early-still gotta go to buy  tag-some states are lettin ya go w/o the tag.
Stimulus is set to pay so much for unemployment they are afraid employers will lay everyone off while its slow and they will not return---ooops redo. time  HOLD THAT VOTE---idiots.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 17:22:53 (permalink)
Is that the thought behind having $35 million for the Kennedy Center for Performing Arts in the Bill?

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 21:05:15 (permalink)
Trump actually praised that spending on TV for the Kennedy Center....go figure .   
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 22:00:29 (permalink)
Hi..... 👋👋did yinz miss me???

Made it back from a very non-exciting trip to a family owned local grocery store.

Lots of happy-go-lucky shoppers eager to find the toilet paper section..... empty but lots of ground chuck, and other beef, pork, and chicken parts.

Plenty of other things I didn't need too, except for "Scrubbing Bubbles, but more about that later.

Plenty of employees present and more than willing to assist in anyway they could... except for paying for my grocerys😞

Anyway, I'm not sure if business was better, same, or worse as compared to before the virus but, I do know, I had no problem finding a parking place and right up front to boot.

After checking out it was off to True Value for a water filter cartridge where I also found not one but, two 5 gal gas cans at a really decent price.... to boot.

Anyways, the really gooder part, I found some "Scrubbing Bubbles" and lucky for me again, it was the last bottle on the shelf. But more about that later.

Folks in the store all seemed happy to go about their shopping and again employees eager to help any way they could.

Happy with my new found gas cans and "Scrubbing Bubbles" it was off to McDonalds for my happy meal where of course drive thru service is only available but the employees were more than happy to assist in anyway they could.... except to pay for my happy meal.

Welp, long story short. I'm sure business is way down for this time of year but there seemed to be plenty of employees working at present. The smaller stores were definitely better stocked than the local Walmart, at least with certain items in the grocery section.

Toilet paper remains a common problem as I couldn't find any at True Value either and I couldn't get into MacDonalds to check their bathrooms, so there's that.

But anyways, it appears the folks are cooperating, remaining calm, and taking it one day at a time.

Tomorrow brings planning our itenerary for our trip home. We'll be taking it a day at a time prepared to shelter in, for an extended stay if necessary but hopefully, nothing more about that, later.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 22:14:17 (permalink)
FDA approves use of plasma for treating critical patients with Covid-19.

https://www.nbcnews.com/n...atients-blood-n1167831

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/25 23:06:20 (permalink)
OH LOOK MyLiar the Bigot, got a new coloring book annnnnnd goodnes he stayed in line sooo well. Must of gotten new crayons too. How sweet.




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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2020/03/26 08:20:48 (permalink)
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Trump actually praised that spending on TV for the Kennedy Center....go figure .   


See, I do disagree with Trump, probably more times than thought. This has little, except possibly providing pay relief for those effected, to do with the virus situation and has no place in a spending bill for that purpose.

What about the proposal to pay up to $1,100 per week for 4 months in order to make furloughed workers get 100% of their wages (to that weekly limit)?

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