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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/15 11:44:50 (permalink)
I think instead of Biden making an announcement of a free for all with the testing, maybe have every school in America be the priority for covid tests?  A kid is sent to the office for coughing/sniffles, instead of mom/dad leaving work to get the kid, drive around looking for horded covid tests, take another day off of work to get a test done and another day to sit around waiting for results.  Maybe, they take their instant result test at the school nurse's office and put back into class if a negative.  I understand that most kids under 12 are unvaccinated and am fine with the masks, although I don't think they do all that much with Delta, maybe some, so I am fine with masks while numbers are spiked.  But make it a priority that they stay in school.  This seems like a failure to me.  
 
Those tests flew off of the shelves like toilet paper did after he made that announcement.  People have 10 of them stockpiled at home, fully vaccinated, no members of their family unvaccinated.  Do they really need them?  
 
Like the previous knuckle dragger, the current bonehead needs to pull his head out of his rear when it comes to covid and stop pandering to different groups.  Listen to the science and legislate off of it.  If the scientific data changes from the original variant to the Delta, then use the current set of data!  Vaccine is just as good as natural immunity from previous infection per most studies.  Why aren't verified natural immunity cases included as "vaccinated"?  Delta is much more aerosol spread then the original variant, if requiring masks for children, then supply medical grade masks to them.  Cloth masks that absorb some of the larger respiratory droplets, are not seeming to do anything in stopping aerosol particles.
 
I am fine with the government workers/contractors and vaccines (should include natural immunity), but any company over a certain number of employees???  That is going too far.  I fully believe every adult should be vaccinated if not naturally immune.  When it goes from recommended or highly incentivized (i.e. must show proof of vaccine/positive then negative test for certain things) to required for work, that goes over the line for me.
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/15 14:15:18 (permalink)
Went on a one day trip with the Senior Center yesterday ( yea- the Senior center)
The whole mask idiocy was clear to me by days end.
 
On the bus -
                         mask required
 
In the restraunt - ( three places) mask required entering and seating
                          Mask off while seated at a crowded 10 person table
                          Mask on when going to the rest room -walking across an empty room
                          after eating masks back on
When we got to the one day boat ride-
                          Masks on while boarding
                          Masks off while seated in close proximity to others on the crowded boat
                           Mask back on while walking across empty decks to the rest room
                           Masks back on when exiting the boat
 
NO control by anyone for those violating said rules or those who wear the masks over their mouth with the nose protruding over the mask.
 
 I had  thought that after most likely enduring the disease very early on before tests were available and then getting two shots that I would be able to forgo this idiocy.
This on top of the most recent- to get a third shot or not -debacle has made me very skeptical of anything I read about the Govt and professionals in this arena.
They seem to be implementing too many 'feel good' idiotic remedies based on the politics of "doing something' rather than science.
 
Pardon the screaming---(please refrain from the many bathroom trip examples- like I said -SENIOR Center-where even the mens room has a line)
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/15 15:11:35 (permalink)
The most upsetting thing to me about this whole thing, for those of us in PA when this first came out, our state Secretary of Health was on TV constantly.  I'm not one to really judge some dude that feels he should be chick.  I am one to judge the looks of a chick.  To me, that is just part of the job of being a dude.  He looks exactly like an older dude that decides he wants to dress up like a chick would look like.  I do feel bad for actual chicks that look like her though, possibly being questioned.  Regardless, the real point of this is, she takes on some sort of Federal promotion to work in DC.  In comes Alison Beam as the new acting Secretary of Health. 
 
Holy smokes!  
 
How is it we never get to see her on TV?  Aren't we in some sort of major breakout pandemic???  It is like all of the PA news stations conspired against us dudes.  Even Google only has about 10 photos.  You deep state nuts might actually have a point...
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/15 15:12:23 (permalink)
Pork, 
That is one of the best posts on this thread in awhile.(Not the last one but 2 up)  As a verified natural immunity case I always wonder why we are included in the unvaccinated group. After listening to talking heads talking out their arses on both sides of the coin I've come to the conclusion IMHO that it comes down to the root of all evil and that it's all about the $$

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/15 15:43:08 (permalink)
If you took the time to Google Alison Beam, you may change your opinion of which post was better.
 
There is definitely a money factor in this thing, at least now (and promoting the vaccines for those with natural immunity).  We live in a capitalist economy, I would be kind of disappointed if it didn't.  I sure as heck threw some bets in the market off of this.  REGN was a good play.  JNJ nothing special but didn't lose.  I should have done MRNA, but thought the single JNJ was going to win out with the international supplies, being easier with lower temps and single shot.  It might still be a long term play, who knows. 
 
I do think the talk of the third shot was 100% the companies promoting it.  Moron Biden heard it on the news and decided to start talking to the camera before talking to his medical advisers.  The guy will end up with his own disinfectant comment sooner or later.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/15 17:22:38 (permalink)
I looked up Beam and am trying to get my copier to make a headshot big enough to wear this Halloween
ooops not politically correct-----again
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 09:23:01 (permalink)
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I think instead of Biden making an announcement of a free for all with the testing, maybe have every school in America be the priority for covid tests?  A kid is sent to the office for coughing/sniffles, instead of mom/dad leaving work to get the kid, drive around looking for horded covid tests, take another day off of work to get a test done and another day to sit around waiting for results.  Maybe, they take their instant result test at the school nurse's office and put back into class if a negative.  I understand that most kids under 12 are unvaccinated and am fine with the masks, although I don't think they do all that much with Delta, maybe some, so I am fine with masks while numbers are spiked.  But make it a priority that they stay in school.  This seems like a failure to me.  
 

 
I completely agree but the effort to do this kind of testing would have to be a nationwide effort to work at it diligently and to take ownership of defeating this virus.  This could have been done from the beginning, but there was/is great resistance to the realities of this virus.  Thus, here we are.    To make this happen governors would have to activate their National Guard forces and there would have to be all kinds of support call ups from the DOD and DHS.    It's certainly possible, but there is no will.  Could you imagine the outcry if there were uniformed military in the schools?!! OMG!  Biden is instituting martial law!! Pipedream... As far as masks vs. Delta...  Why do you think that masks would be less effective against a highly aerosolized virus??  
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 10:15:44 (permalink)
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I looked up Beam and am trying to get my copier to make a headshot big enough to wear this Halloween
ooops not politically correct-----again


Halloween costume?  Are you looking up the right person?  Or are your preferences in the ladies more of the Levine type?
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 10:20:39 (permalink)
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After listening to talking heads talking out their arses on both sides of the coin I've come to the conclusion IMHO that it comes down to the root of all evil and that it's all about the $$




I had to go to the ER this past Monday evening (cellulitis in my legs that was getting worse instead of better after the first antibiotic I got).  Went to one of the smaller UPMC ER's in the Pittsburgh area in Cranberry.  It's usually pretty quick, but knew it would be a long wait.  
 
My wait time from check in to discharge was 4.5 hours, and looked like wait times were similar for most except for a few people with bad injuries.  Waiting area was packed (and packed there is about 20 people), with people sitting next to each other.  About 10 of the people sitting there looking like death warmed over, some coughing, faces flushed with fever, etc.  Pretty obvious they were there for Covid.  
 
My first thought was, "I'm about to find out just how good my natural immunity is!"  So far, so good.  
 
The very nice and patient nurse who first saw me said that they are packed because everybody who calls their doctor thinking they have Covid is told to go the ER, and not to a testing site or given an appointment with their PCP.  She said that 90% of the people they see who think they have Covid don't need to be at en ER and receive no treatment other than a test.  
 
UPMC has a whole network of PCP's who don't make extra money for treating a Covid patient in their office, but UPMC makes extra money when the PCP sends them to the ER and they test positive.  I talked to another friend yesterday who has been a nurse for 20 years and he said that he believes this is absolutely what these big corporate healthcare facilities are doing to make up some of their deficits from 2020 when they told people not to come to the hospital.  And they get paid extra for other things related to Covid too.  
 
It got so full within 10 minutes of me getting there that the security guard "allowed" some of us to leave this completely sealed room with no obvious source of ventilation to go into a lobby area between the main entrance and the ER where at least there was a little ventilation that would come in and out when the doors opened.  Nobody else moved, so I went.  A few people that came in after me sat out there too.  
 
Several people asked if they could just wait outside - a pretty smart move for those who weren't there for Covid reasons and didn't want to sit in a room full of Covid.  Security guard told every person who asked, "No, we're not allowed to let you outside.  If you go outside for anything and they come to call you, you will lose your place in line and start over."  So this is a guy obviously following orders from somebody over him.  The ER staff would have had to walk an additional 10' to call somebody who was waiting outside.  
 
One lady who appeared to be in her late 50's or so was there with an obviously broken wrist and in a lot of pain.  She was not tolerating her mask well for whatever reason so her husband wheeled her outside for a few minutes for a mask break to get some fresh air and calm down.  They were within site of the ER entrance the whole time.  She lost her place in line and had to wait in line again.  
 
Anybody with half a brain knows by now that the absolute worst thing you could do is to pack a bunch of people without Covid into a small space with no ventilation with people who have Covid for hours, yet this is exactly what was happening there, and I would imagine at many other ER's.  
 
Where are the Big Brains who might say, "Ya know, it might be a good idea if we flexed on this a little bit and set up some chairs right outside the ER to minimize the risk to people who walk in here without Covid?"  Or, "You know what, while the weather is pretty decent, let's set up a suspected Covid patients only tent area in the parking lot where we can triage them and make sure they're stable, while they wait to get tested."  
 
After seeing this and hearing the truth from that nurse, it's very difficult to think that at least a small part of the the reason they're putting everybody together is money.  Easy money for them to create an environment where people who don't have Covid can get Covid, and they can make more money when they come back and test positive.  
 
 
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 10:41:45 (permalink)
I hope you're ok man, and I hope you don't get covid again. 
 
Healthcare has changed pretty drastically in my rural area in the last ten years.  It is stretched drumskin tight in the best of times.  Most of the local hospitals have ALL reduced bed capacity and staffing.  Covid only stresses it more.  My friend's father had a stroke last week and was unable to be transported to Erie because there were no beds.  I'm assuming covid played a role in that.  He was unable to receive the treatment that is only effective in the first hours of a stroke and was pretty heavily affected by the stroke. He eventually got there but it was too late to receive the treatment.  
 
Hospitals keeps squeezing staff for profit margins and the overall availability of healthcare is diminishing before our eyes.  In the ER situation you described, it's probably a staffing shortage that is to blame for nobody being able to figure out how to deal with a bunch of mixed covid patients and other emergencies in an ER setting.   All the worker bees are too busy and the brass leaves at 4 pm.      
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 11:35:15 (permalink)
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I completely agree but the effort to do this kind of testing would have to be a nationwide effort to work at it diligently and to take ownership of defeating this virus.  This could have been done from the beginning, but there was/is great resistance to the realities of this virus.  Thus, here we are.    To make this happen governors would have to activate their National Guard forces and there would have to be all kinds of support call ups from the DOD and DHS.    It's certainly possible, but there is no will.  Could you imagine the outcry if there were uniformed military in the schools?!! OMG!  Biden is instituting martial law!! Pipedream... As far as masks vs. Delta...  Why do you think that masks would be less effective against a highly aerosolized virus??  
 

I didn't realize we'd need the National Guard to help Fed Ex and UPS deliver 2-3 cases of tests to every school?  I'm not saying to test every kid, every day.  I am saying to test the kids that are being sent to the nurse's office, mostly with a common cold.  The 10-20 kids per day that are being sent home.  Production might be an issue, but they have noted using the Defense Production Act many times during this virus fiasco.  Right now, school age kids are by far the largest population that is unable to vaccinate.  Why would we put our resources with them instead of feeding the proven hording public that we have?
 
Most masks just do not have the filtration rate to capture aerosolized viruses, either breathing in or out.  Only medical grade and higher would have enough to reduce these aerosol sized particles, with only N95 having truly enough to stop all/most.  Since Delta is NOT ONLY aerosol spread, they do some good as I noted.  They are reducing the larger respiratory droplets that spread the virus as well.  In the indoor classrooms and other areas where kids are being exposed to each other for longer than 15 minutes, breathing in the same air that infected kids are breathing, masks are not going to stop the aerosol spread that is happening.  I don't know of any specific studies showing how much the spread would be aerosol vs. larger droplets, but I am not convinced that the overall spread would be all that much reduced with masks in classes for kids that most don't even seem to show symptoms when infected...  I am 100% fine with my kids wearing masks while we are in the current spike, if it is keeping them in school.  If there was something that said, you can only be in school without masks, I would be sending them without.  
 
 
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 11:44:45 (permalink)
Even if they are not making money on the back end, for our health plan, $15 for PCP visit, $75 for ER.  500% more.  
 
Hope you are feeling better soon Snagr.
 
This overcrowding is causing the exact issues that were noted at the beginning of this pandemic.  People are not getting the same care for other ailments that they would normally get.  Many are skipping physicals and other diagnostics.  It will be interesting to see the estimated preventable deaths this has caused.
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 12:18:33 (permalink)
Hope all is well with ya snagr.

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 13:24:26 (permalink)
I’m good now. Just followed up with PCP and she said I’m heading in the right direction and don’t need a hospital stay for IV antibiotics, which was the next step of the orals didn’t work. One of those things that if you wait just a little too long can wreck ya in a hurry, so the healthcare professionals at home made sure I stayed on top of it.

Pro tip - when you’re fishing a farm pond with lots of geese and their mess around and the skeeters start feasting on your ankles don’t stand there for a half hour and grind on those itches with your shoes. dumass move.

Anywho … The thing about putting people outside really has ZERO to do with whether or not there is adequate staff. Just one of the simplest, most common sense things they could do with no added expense unless they don’t have an extra 10 or 20 chairs sitting around the hospital somewhere. Doesn’t add any burden on the staff. Just a really common sense way to keep people away from each other and mitigate exposure.

That they don’t just makes you wonder why.

Profits?
Stupidity?
Negligence?

The nurse said she felt like they were pretty well staffed in the ER but they don’t have a big impatient capacity there either so it’s not a place a PCP would send somebody that they thought needed to be admitted. Just a higher volume the last couple weeks that keeps them busier than normal and most of that extra work is doing Covid tests and not really treating Covid patients.

I’m sure it’s very different in the Covid floors of hospitals though and in the ER’s of hospitals with Covid units.

PCP was pushing the flu shot HARD today. She thinks it’s gonna come back with a vengeance.

She tried for the third time since I had Covid to suggest that vax but didn’t push it. I did appreciate her approach though. She basically said that the messaging of coercion and division is terrible and said she wants to reassure people about their safety and efficacy. And she also said that if I do change my mind she only recommends one shot of the two shot brands for her Covid recovered patients who want it.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 13:48:15 (permalink)
 

I didn't realize we'd need the National Guard to help Fed Ex and UPS deliver 2-3 cases of tests to every school?   


You talking about doing it right or this half **** approach that has gotten us here?  Who administers the extra tests?  The school nurse who already has her daily duties of meds, diabetics, severely ill kids, students with family problems, student hygiene issues, classes to teach?  Who monitors kids and where are they monitored while awaiting testing?  Who notifies parents/guardians? Who checks people in and out and tracks students?  Who communicates with the Dept. of Health and the school administration?  
 
Surgical grade masks would make a difference and keep kids in school and stop a certain percentage from getting sick.  But, only if they were used properly and disposed of every day.  You know, like the naysayers often point out.  Who could issue proper PPE to all the students and staff and dispose of it on a daily basis? Who could help with the disinfection and cleaning of schools on a daily basis?  Who could fill in gaps with staffing shortages that districts face from staff illness on a daily basis?  Who could be seen as a positive influence, team member, valuable asset by schools and communities across the nation??  Support staffing from National Guard, DOD and DHS, that's who.
 
 
Districts should be able to request this type of assistance to administer specific protocols to keep kids in school.  These things should have been in place since March of 2020.  The complete denial of reality and of basic, BASIC, preventative infectious disease control measures in the public institutions (especially schools) since the beginning, has broadened this pandemic.  
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 13:58:24 (permalink)
Glad you are feeling better.  Reminds me, I need to go and get my flu shot.   Bout that time...
Keep an eye on that infection, even if it seems to be better.  Any lines on your leg, hot spots or if you start running a fever, get to a real ER stat....
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 14:09:48 (permalink)
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Anywho … The thing about putting people outside really has ZERO to do with whether or not there is adequate staff. Just one of the simplest, most common sense things they could do with no added expense unless they don’t have an extra 10 or 20 chairs sitting around the hospital somewhere. Doesn’t add any burden on the staff. Just a really common sense way to keep people away from each other and mitigate exposure.





Eh...disagree...I think staffing.  It's a hospital, not a business office.  You can't have people check in with a medical condition and then just go anywhere they want to on the property without supervision or accountability.  That creates big liability issues as well as organizational ones.   Less staff equals less supervision and organization.   You also need to have a policy.  It might make sense to you to wait outside unsupervised, but not everyone is like you and I'm sure there's a reason that their policy is such.  Way easier to smoke meth in the parking lot while you're waiting or get in a domestic disturbance with your baby daddy.    Less staff, the more policies become restrictive and all encompassing to accommodate the lack of personnel.   Early on there were staffed tents outside every medical facility for this reason.  No more...probably not real cost effective.  
 
***full disclosure...I am pretty biased towards hospital understaffing since I live with a nurse and have two others in the family.  So, this may be BS
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 14:13:36 (permalink)
Halfazz is better than fullazz as it is currently being done... 
 
The school nurse is already dealing with those kids coming to their office, monitoring them until picked up, taking temps, calling homes.  This is adding one task that I am sure every school nurse would be fine with, if provided the tests and given authority to use them and schools/nurse protected legally from test results.  I know that the instant read tests are insanely hard to administer, sort of like putting a mask on...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk5Xl-4e2n0
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 14:32:57 (permalink)
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Halfazz is better than fullazz as it is currently being done... 
 
The school nurse is already dealing with those kids coming to their office, monitoring them until picked up, taking temps, calling homes.  This is adding one task that I am sure every school nurse would be fine with, if provided the tests and given authority to use them and schools/nurse protected legally from test results.  I know that the instant read tests are insanely hard to administer, sort of like putting a mask on...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk5Xl-4e2n0


This is America and I feel like we should be the best at things...I know, I know...so unrealistic.  The best way to be the best at this particular task is not to continually pile duties on already overworked people in essential positions.  What happens when all these professionals are burned out?  Unfortunately, we may find out.  
 
***On the bright side...kids are soooo much easier to deal with than adults...like that fella in the video  That guy DOES NOT want his kids tested by Nurse Missy!
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 17:44:19 (permalink)
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Eh...disagree...I think staffing.  It's a hospital, not a business office.  You can't have people check in with a medical condition and then just go anywhere they want to on the property without supervision or accountability.  That creates big liability issues as well as organizational ones.   Less staff equals less supervision and organization.   You also need to have a policy.  It might make sense to you to wait outside unsupervised, but not everyone is like you and I'm sure there's a reason that their policy is such.  Way easier to smoke meth in the parking lot while you're waiting or get in a domestic disturbance with your baby daddy.    Less staff, the more policies become restrictive and all encompassing to accommodate the lack of personnel.   Early on there were staffed tents outside every medical facility for this reason.  No more...probably not real cost effective.  
 




How bout we take your National Guard idea and use them to supervise all the nefarious patients so that 15 chairs or a tent can be put outside, instead of using them in schools where Covid is less risk for kids than other viruses they deal with all the time?  Nosocomial Covid infections were at one time estimated to be 10-15% of the total cases in the US.  In school transmission studies have been shown it to be a fraction of 1% regardless of mitigation measures.    
 
Medically and scientifically there is zero reason for states like PA to do what they're doing in schools.  Plenty of control groups across the US and in almost all European schools showed us in 2020-2021 that the hysterical demands that teachers' unions made to the CDC and state departments of health is entirely unfounded.  Teachers and school staff aren't an outlier among people getting Covid in the workplace.  Kids don't need to wear masks all day and kids don't need a vaccine that causes far more adverse events in them than the disease does.    
 
A kid gets sick?  Send 'em home.  A kid is sick?  Keep 'em home.  Everybody else stays.  I could even go with test-to-stay for close contacts, with parental permission.  Teachers and staff have the vax to protect them against bad outcomes should they get Covid in school.  
 
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 18:26:32 (permalink)
Over in Mass they have the Nat Guard driving school busses for school kids because they cant get drivers.
So much for the added bucks on unemployment making it more profitable for the real drivers to stay home- and the dems want to extend the program.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/16 21:42:26 (permalink)
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Over in Mass they have the Nat Guard driving school busses for school kids because they cant get drivers.
So much for the added bucks on unemployment making it more profitable for the real drivers to stay home- and the dems want to extend the program.

That is an excellent idea for use of Nat Guard. Although, I hope their NG pay is higher than the wages and sign on bonus that many are paying now! Right now, you can basically make that a full time job and work 3-4 hours per weekday. Probably only for a couple of months though.

Go back to the beginning of this thread, when schools were first talked about. Bus driver shortage was as predictable as the sun shining in Florida. 99%+ of bus drivers are not unemployment freeloaders. They are retirees/semiretired that are looking for something to get out of the house (wife’s/husband’s hair). They get paid, but most don’t “need” the money. Doing more as a public service. What person in the Covid most at risk range would be in the right mind to drive a yellow Petri dish on wheels around right now? Not that anyone in their right mind would subject themselves to 40-50 yelling kids in a vehicle in the first place.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/17 12:01:24 (permalink)
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Eh...disagree...I think staffing.  It's a hospital, not a business office.  You can't have people check in with a medical condition and then just go anywhere they want to on the property without supervision or accountability.  That creates big liability issues as well as organizational ones.   Less staff equals less supervision and organization.   You also need to have a policy.  It might make sense to you to wait outside unsupervised, but not everyone is like you and I'm sure there's a reason that their policy is such.  Way easier to smoke meth in the parking lot while you're waiting or get in a domestic disturbance with your baby daddy.    Less staff, the more policies become restrictive and all encompassing to accommodate the lack of personnel.   Early on there were staffed tents outside every medical facility for this reason.  No more...probably not real cost effective.  
 




How bout we take your National Guard idea and use them to supervise all the nefarious patients so that 15 chairs or a tent can be put outside, instead of using them in schools where Covid is less risk for kids than other viruses they deal with all the time?  Nosocomial Covid infections were at one time estimated to be 10-15% of the total cases in the US.  In school transmission studies have been shown it to be a fraction of 1% regardless of mitigation measures.    
 
 

 
 
I like the Guard at hospitals to do just that. I think we're having two different conversations in the sense that you have a wish list of what you think schools should be doing and I'm trying to address the reality of mask mandates, covid,  and keeping kids in school and how our state is currently responding.  I'm not trying to be a d-bag in saying that but your premise is that the mask mandate shouldn't exist.  I don't disagree.  However, it does,  and I think that the only way to address all of the complex organizational, administrative and physical demands of keeping kids in school and keeping everyone as safe as possible, along with doing things correctly, is for districts to have more man power.  However that can be accomplished is good by me.  Each administrator, teacher, nurse, custodian that you heap other covid related responsibilities onto takes away from their job of educating kids, keeping facilities running, supporting extracurriculars etc...  
 

 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/17 12:06:11 (permalink)
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Halfazz is better than fullazz as it is currently being done... 
 
The school nurse is already dealing with those kids coming to their office, monitoring them until picked up, taking temps, calling homes.  This is adding one task that I am sure every school nurse would be fine with, if provided the tests and given authority to use them and schools/nurse protected legally from test results.  I know that the instant read tests are insanely hard to administer, sort of like putting a mask on...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk5Xl-4e2n0


Why don't you cast down a few more job assignments from your Ivory Tower for these overpaid and "hysterical" (per Snagr) public servants to deal with!  And then, when they screw up your kids meds or miss something that should have been taken care of you can sue the school like a real American! 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/17 12:53:57 (permalink)
If you mean the school nurse is taking additional tasks from covid itself, heck yeah.  Every person in the school is doing a heck of a lot more due to covid.  They maintenance staff is working overtime doing the cleaning and sanitizing.  The teachers are breathing in the same air as 30 different unvaccinated students ever 40 minutes for 6 hours per day and touching papers and other stuff that could be infecting them.  Every person in the school is in a hazard zone.  
 
To me, this is a tool that would help them manage who really is infected and who isn't, which would help protect the nurse, teachers and everyone in a school.  Right now, anyone the least bit suspected has to be treated as positive.  Once you see 200 suspected kids and maybe 1 is positive, anyone, no matter how careful they are, will start to relax and slip on their own safety.  Right now, if a kid is suspected of covid or needs to quarantine from exposure, they get their temp taken, then sit and monitored in the nurses' office among every other kid that is suspected or exposed until a parent comes.  That has been the case, every time that I have picked my kids up from school to quarantine from exposure.  Not even close to 6 feet apart (due to small size of nurses office and 15 kids crammed in).  The nurse gave me a slip of instructions with their current temp and basically had to miss the rest of the week due to being close to someone.  At the time, you could send them back a day earlier if they got a negative test.  
 
The nurses now, are forced to assume everyone of them is positive, with 10-20 kids in their office, I would have to imagine that is disrupting their normal work flow.  If positive, they know to isolate from others and gives the nurse a bit more protection of knowing that kid really is positive, these ones here are not.  If negative, they can go back to class if no temp or sent home.  90% reduction of kids sitting around in the nurse's office and allow them to focus a little more energy on their normal duties.  But maybe that ivory tower got in your way of logical thought?
 
I would have no issues at all, if they were getting a hazard bonus from our tax dollars.  I think every person that is directly involved with students at schools deserves it.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/17 15:16:43 (permalink)
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 Each administrator, teacher, nurse, custodian that you heap other covid related responsibilities onto takes away from their job of educating kids, keeping facilities running, supporting extracurriculars etc...  
 

 
Per your comment to Pork, the hysterics are coming from national and state level union reps, and not the rank and file.  Randi Weingarten in particular.  The rank and file I know are awesome and hate all of the BS they, their students and the students' families have to endure.  
 
These union heads have heaped all of these Covid related responsibilities onto their rank and file with their demands to the CDC and state boards of health to do what they want, instead of following the science.    
 
Mass testing of healthy, asymptomatic kids in the states (like PA) and local districts where not required by state is because of the demands of union heads.  Forced quarantine of healthy, asymptomatic kids where teachers have to field phone calls and provide seating charts to admins for every class; school nurses and administrators spend hours a day talking to parents and the state Dept. of Health is because of the demands of union heads.  Having kids in and out of class because they were a close contact is because of the demands of union heads.  Extra cleaning and disinfection is 100% political theater at this point, but it's because of the demands of union heads.  Most of the extra burden on teachers, particularly this year, is because of these union heads.     
 
School policies like these where every kid with a sniffle is sent to a PCP or ER for a PCR test contributes a lot to the burdens currently placed on health care providers and facilities, because some people still think we can or have to eradicate Covid.  Either that or they know that we never could and never will, but they do it anyway to inflict misery on people.   
 
I get it, there may be localized instances where schools have to close for a period because cases are super high.  That happens once in awhile because of other viruses too.  Teachers and staff get sick in large numbers.  Get kids away from each other for a time and let things settle down.  
 
As I've said many times, we have many control groups at which can look during the 2020-2021 school year in both the US and most of Europe.  European schools that have operated pretty close to normal this summer when even Delta was the predominant strain in those places.  If there were medical and scientific reasons to be particularly alarmed at the results that these control groups showed, you can bet it would be front and center news.  But there is literally nothing to report on schools that do nothing because it makes no difference.  
 
 
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/17 15:51:31 (permalink)
Wow, FDA vaccine panel soundly voted against (16-3) Pfizer/Biden administration's plans for general booster plan this fall.  Looks like may be some accommodation for some groups.  
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/17 16:26:18 (permalink)
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European schools that have operated pretty close to normal this summer when even Delta was the predominant strain in those places.  

Weren't these kids on summer break then?  I know some countries don't do as long of a break, but I am pretty sure most if not all Europe has summer break.
 
Our schools ran pretty normal over the summer too...  
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/17 16:39:24 (permalink)
Another EUA for treatment.  I'm guessing likely as expensive as Moderna, not the hopeful generic.  But at least is another option for treatment that has went through the peer reviewed approval.
 
It is rather strange that they got the approval a day after the government bought an additional 388K doses.  But, I am not sure if I would read into it as only approving because.  More likely, FDA told whoever was buying to go ahead, official approval was on the way.  At least I hope that is the case...
 
https://www.reuters.com/w...sure-virus-2021-09-16/
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/09/17 17:32:34 (permalink)
Failure to get approval for a second booster is not really all that controversial. The problem in the US is too many unvaccinated individuals. Breakthrough infections aren’t causing as many problems as people who never got the shot in the first place.

If the Biden admin was pushing for boosters but the science indicated it wasn’t warranted, then I’m sure the Biden admin is fine with it, and I am too.
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