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NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report.

DEC: Anglers' Report Confirms New York's World-Class Freshwater Fishing

New York's Freshwater Sportfisheries Generate More Than $2 Billion a Year and Support More Than 10,000 Jobs

New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Commissioner Basil Seggos today announced that the state's world-class fishing opportunities continue to draw anglers from near and far to New York's many productive freshwater sportfisheries. New data on angler effort, patterns, preferences, and attitudes was released today as part of DEC's statewide survey of freshwater anglers, which helps DEC assess both the biological and human dimension aspects of managing New York's freshwater fisheries.
"New York is privileged to have an amazing diversity of freshwater resources," Commissioner Seggos said. "From remote Adirondack brook trout streams and ponds to the magnificent Great Lakes, our state's freshwater fisheries are among the very best in North America. DEC is committed to effectively managing these resources to maintain high-quality angling opportunities and the recreational and economic benefits they provide. These survey results reinforce what New Yorkers already know-freshwater angling in New York State is not only alive and well, it's thriving-and this survey will help guide our efforts in the years to come."
New York State offers world class fishing for a wide variety of cold water and warm water species. Whether it is smallmouth bass fishing on Lake Erie, brook trout fishing on a crystal-clear Adirondack lake, Pacific salmon fishing on Lake Ontario, fishing for stripers on the Hudson River, brown trout fishing on the Beaver Kill or fishing for panfish on a local pond, there is something special in New York for every angler. In its 2019 rankings, and for the first time ever, Bassmaster Magazine named the St. Lawrence River as the top bass fishing destination in the nation.
DEC has surveyed its licensed freshwater anglers once every decade since 1973. The survey announced today was conducted in 2018, and summarizes the input provided by approximately 11,000 anglers that fished the freshwaters of New York State during the 2017 calendar year.
Combined direct, indirect, and induced economic impacts of freshwater angling in New York State totaled an estimated $2.14 billion and supported 10,961 jobs in 2017. Of this total, out-of-state anglers contributed approximately 26 percent, or $564 million. Freshwater anglers spent an estimated $252 million at New York fishing destinations in 2017, and an additional $204 million was expended at home or while traveling to fishing destinations. Purchases of fishing equipment and fishing-related equipment such as boats, motors, etc., generated an estimated $1.8 billion in additional expenditures.
Results of the survey revealed significant increases in angler effort for a number of waters when compared to a 2007 angler survey. The Saranac River experienced the greatest increase in angler effort (150 percent) as more anglers visited to fish primarily for smallmouth bass and brown trout. There was an increase of 141 percent in the number of anglers fishing Irondequoit Creek, a Lake Ontario tributary near Rochester, with a focus primarily on brown trout and steelhead. The Delaware River in southeastern New York has long been popular for trout fishing, and angler effort increased by about 140 percent from 2007. Conesus Lake saw an increase of 155 percent in angler activity, with northern pike, largemouth bass, and smallmouth bass among the lake's most popular species. Other waterbodies that experienced a marked increase in angling activity included Whitney Point Reservoir (76 percent), Lake Champlain (72 percent), and the Batten Kill (61 percent).
Freshwater anglers enjoyed an estimated 19.89 million angler days in 2017 in New York's inland and Great Lakes waters, slightly more than a similar survey conducted for 2007. Many anglers fished for warmwater gamefish (44 percent), primarily largemouth and smallmouth bass. Coldwater gamefish were also popular (28 percent), including brown trout, rainbow trout, brook trout, steelhead, and Chinook salmon. Anglers fished primarily on inland lakes and ponds (49 percent), inland streams and rivers (25 percent), and the Great Lakes and their tributaries (22 percent).
In his 2020 State of the State Address (leaves DEC website), Governor Cuomo proposed the Restore Mother Nature initiative, the nation's most aggressive program for significant habitat restoration and flood reduction. Restore Mother Nature will reduce flood risk and revitalize critical fish and wildlife habitats by connecting streams and waterways, right-sizing culverts and dams, restoring freshwater and tidal wetlands, reclaiming natural floodplains, restocking shellfish populations and upgrading fish hatcheries, preserving open space, conserving more forest areas, replanting more trees, reducing contamination from agricultural and stormwater runoff, and expanding renewable energy. One of the goals of the initiative is to make New York the top state for recreational fishing. As part of a proposed $3 billion Environmental Bond Act, New York would invest in its world-class fish hatcheries. The Governor's program will also improve New York's network of fishing access sites, hand launch boat sites, and public fishing rights with an emphasis on warmwater streams and rivers.
Full results of DEC's Statewide Angler Survey can be found at DEC's website.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/press.html
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/04 21:02:40 (permalink)
Hogwash.
Zero mentioned of hardwater anglers. Throughout last 2017-18 & 19 ice season, it was more increase in any angling outdoors activities I've ever seen . The open waters including great lake access and others were hindered severely from high waters.
Not saying the fishing wasn't good for selective times and areas but this is hogwash.
To me it's a ploy to encourage promoting the great lake fishery with the impending impacts stocking cuts will have.

So if the feds approved a 3rd of the billions the state is asking for in hatchery incentives, where is my 5 million going towards the state funded SR hatchery already approved.
Lots of zeros make me skeptical.
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/05 09:09:41 (permalink)
"Your" 5 million????  My, don't you pay a lot of NYS taxes down there in Manhattan North!
 
Stocking Cut, the 2016 cut was the only one announced when the survey went out in  2017.
 
I know you have experience in all corners of the State, but Whitney Point Reservoir is one of Central New York's top ice fishing destinations so the increases there might reflect ice fishing. Of course, if you or any or your posse received the survey and then shiff canned it, it doesn't reflect your spots (be thankful).  And it is a survey so is representative within the limits of random sampling.  Of course, the State will use it for propaganda, that is what states do, especially when they are committed to whoring out their resources to neighboring states' residents.   But, gee, if they can get a whole dollar back from the Feds for every one sent by NYS, more power to them.
 
Good to see that the mail order Curmudgeon Course has been arriving on time!  Or is it just lack of ice?
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/05 13:20:45 (permalink)
Absolutely wrong on the Battenkill.  It supported 3 fly shops , and Orvis, now there's Orvis and their sales aren't local. I could write a dissertation, but I won't. Please believe I've involved myself with groups fighting to preserve the fishery. With the blessing of the state, it was turned over to watersports.  There's also ponds in my area that retired guys and kids fished with a passion. They are listed as stocked, but haven't seen a trout in 2 years. It's a mess , fueled by lies.
 
 
 
 
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/05 19:14:11 (permalink)
Thanks fichy for reminding me I'm not just the town jester. We do put some boots on the ground in places of the corner in various fishery types, not just a trip outta a city along rt 104
Whitney resivor, really.. I honestly think ice fishing has exploded in a fishing resource and local revenue in last 10 years as much if not more than any other activity and yet it's not acknowledged.
What is promoted heavily is the great lakes or cold water streams which I feel are lacking and going to just a check mark on someone's evaluation sheet.

Maybe I'm wrong and hopefully so. When the food runs out, I don't mind eating my hat for dinner
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/05 20:07:23 (permalink)
My bad, it was 5.2 million in state approved for funding on new walkways, landscaping and a concrete raceway. Not just mine but ours as NY taxpayers. If your cool with that and a 3 billion proposed hatchery improvement grant, good deal. I'll continue to become a pig farmer.
We will be long gone before we see a return on that nys benefit, if any on these projects.
At least I got 9 grandchildren.
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/06 09:51:27 (permalink)
Most of the hatcheries in the NYS System were built before you were born, so you've enjoyed the largess of past generations, not just a pay as you go system.  But thanks for crediting the rest of with also contributing. I know they are stocking  fish, and some large ones other than in the GL, because I see your pix posted every time you go to the Ausable, up in the Adirondacks, which I also fish and which is well off the 104 corridor, as are the Finger Lakes.    Finally, perhaps there is some connection between wages where you work and the cost of hatchery raceways, last time I looked they are built from concrete.
 
The company that conducted the survey reported the data they received from respondents.  And they reported that 4 % of effort is on ice fishing.  Maybe they got a bunch of non ice fishers.  If they did the survey this year it might be lot lower.  Maybe you see so many more people on the waters you fish because they are actually frozen, or maybe it is because you trumpet them to the internet so frequently.  I know beaucoup people who buy fishing licenses, but very few of them ice fish.  Of my own brothers, 5 out of six fish and buy licenses, but I'm the only one that has ever ice fished, and I don't go every year, I like a solid 8" and we haven't seen that yet anywhere nearby.
 
Sorry to hear the down report, Fichy, but I've heard from my friend at Orvis that the Battenkill has come back quite a bit from the low point, and the report on increased anglers meshes with these reports and the articles in magazines like Fly Fisherman.  We have to share our streams with other users too, in WNY, aluminum and rubber donut hatches occur on flowing waters that are public everywhere when it is hot out.  As to " lies" about stocking, unless you are there everyday all day, to be there when the truck is there, how do you know they were not stocked?  And have you made any calls to the Regional fisheries manager to register a complaint and report your observations?  The squeaky hinge gets the oil!  Or go over their head and write to Steve Hurst, he is about as attuned to public input as any Director of Fisheries the DEC has ever had. 
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/06 17:43:22 (permalink)
While the horse is high and I've rode a few, I'd like a reminder that most of my family current and past have been involved in federal, state, local laws enforcement and nys environmental enforcement and regulations.
My uncle was a long time conservation fund advisor member. I think I know the "system " well enough.
2 things that I've felt I've had a personal hands on were the nys bald eagle restoration. I can take a short walk out back to an island on the might muddy that was the pilot program. Long before there was a word called UFZ or puckerbush creek, and far before it became sheik to call it closed due to nesting eagles.
One day not long ago after mandatory releasing a floater stiped bass , an eagle didn't let it float more than 50 feet before claiming it as foods for the young.
Now I need to have a solid enclosure for my chickens.
As another crow, you may recall the trout size limit was 9 " on most stocked streams.
The stocking size was yearling trout 5-10". Who cared how many you killed because that's what you caught. 1 legal to 5 caught. Trout fishing in general across nys became mundane. EXCEPT for those great lake and finger lakes folks. OK, the western new York got its glory in all the rags , because what was internet then ?
The rest of the state fishing angler hrs declined.
I sat , wrote and discussed about hatchery or ponds rearing of larger trout being stocked. In turn angler participation would increase. Guess it works.. But of course it became sheik and special interests groups have now taken over a large part.
I highly doubt me posting pictures to a single forum here has anything to do with areas I frequent but I have no doubt the internet as a whole has an effect on pressure. I can say ice fishing in general has boomed. Many, many tournaments happen all over the place that has ice. It's overtaken NY bass tournaments imo.
I absolutely follow the internet information towards that sport and it's really about conditions and safety to me but thousands chase the fish.

Lastly I'd again say I know the "system ".
There are 12 ny hatcheries run by state. Without exact data, I know quite a few have been shells, skeleton and closed of what they were in the name of budget.
We see it now with our current officers.
I'm just saying 3 billion is a pipe dream. 5.2 million is a lot of money already allocated towards improving that dream. A roof, cameras to watch the Atlantic swim or not in the raceway, and nice new fish tanks took a 7 digit number not including the 3 million spent on a decaying fish clipping trailer.
Apples to oranges but we built an entire manufacturing facility over 2 years expecting to last 50 years without counting production operations costs for 560 million.
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/07 08:57:55 (permalink)
Since I assume you are referring to the Altmar hatchery,  I will point out that NO atlantics are raised there.  Atlantics stocked by NYS come from the Saranac Hatchery, Atlantics stocked by the USGS Biological Resources Division come from the Tunison Research Facility in Cortland.  If you need a reference, contact your old friend Griz, he's working there now.
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/07 16:39:14 (permalink)
I live here, Lucky. I've fished the Battenkill  for 35  years. Keep your biased reports. I take readings off the grill of my truck as to health of the river and the large amount that has gone wrong.  I see it every day. Orvis is in Vt., and a  different fishery.  But, your the expert, able to get a biomass assessment from Western Ny, without ever having even seen the Battenkill. 
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/08 08:39:37 (permalink)
I have fished the Battenkill.  And I have seen the numbers from back when I fished it and it was truly a waste of time to fish, and what it is now, and it is improving, both on the Vermont side and the NYS side.  Now, watch yer tone, or I'll go crying to the moderators!
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/08 14:36:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby fichy 2020/02/09 11:12:49
L-13. I think what we, at least me , are trying to say is we don't believe and sometimes disagree with every piece of paper that gets pushed across the table as real. I think your getting flack because you seem to agree this as word of gospel and discount the people who dispute these papers from experiences.
I've fished the battenkill once or twice too but I'm not by any means to comment on the fishery. Instead only take the words of an experienced angler not a report on paper that may include a special interests group or a few anglers that reported to the dec they caught fish on their trip.
Same goes for streams I frequent.
We've discussed the great lakes fishery in length. There's good reason I haven't visited there in 2 years to tributary fish. Yes, I miss the lake fishing because its been a great game in town now.
You yourself have not posted anything promising on the tributaries themselves so am I missing something ? It's going to get very interesting to see what happens in the next 5 years if I'm still alive due to these paper pushers cutting stocks and claiming natural reproduction is the way

Of course I know the SR hatchery doesn't raise Atlantic salmon but I also know it dumped a bunch of funded money to watch and see how many Atlantic salmon returned to the hatchery via cameras , monitors and hardware. There was a huge promotion of promise when 4 Atlantic's were captured on camera. How's that equipment paying back now to the public ?

The only dispute of posting a discussion to the moderator would be posting stupid YouTube videos of a huey spraying gunfire on a village. If you can't tell the difference then shame on you
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/09 11:02:04 (permalink)
 
  Can't match that kind of arrogance.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 





 
 
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/02/17 17:01:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby fichy 2020/02/23 13:19:05
How convenient with nys asking for billions in hatchery improvements, they put out a press release about the Rome hatchery, again. This time zebra mussels. Last time whirling disease.
Seriously....
When was the altmar hatchery constructed ? 1980 ? Small time frame in the grand scheme of buildings wouldn't you say ?
I'm just feed up with data collecting and money grabbing from our state regarding fisheries and license fees.
People need to get their head out of the sand .
If it wasn't for sportsman clubs and real people doing their part, it would be a bigger mess then we are heading towards.

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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/04/16 19:10:17 (permalink)
So I'm gonna drag this one out.
First, the spring lake trawls showed EXCELLENT baitfish abundance in all year classes. The west end had an excellent smelt population as well.
I've seen the info and pictures/ video.
Second: with nys completely broke, does anyone see these Capitol hatchery projects actually taking place ?
Third: with the Rome and other trout hatcheries contaminated by zebra mussels, is there a future for stream and brook trout ?
Lastly : is there an excuse to come forth ?

When the lake guys are finally allowed to charter again, the fish will be plenty and snappy, not just because of shinny lures out of starvation.
From these years to come following, there will be no snappy fish to chase lures because the fewer left will have a smorgasbord of abundant bait.

Tough times ahead folks

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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/04/17 07:56:49 (permalink)
 Ah yes, the catch-22.   Can you imagine trying to shut down silly season?  On a local to me note, even though the Battenkill ,which has very few holdovers  and is not stocked, it is  still getting high traffic.  Since the stocking is done with  rod and gun club volunteers, I wonder if it will or can even happen.  Bass fishermen are out in force, too.  Closed ramps will curtail that. I agree with HT, hatcheries are going to have a budgetary  crisis of epic proportions. Andy Cuomo's never seen a fish without sauce on it, putting the axe to what we love won't bother him a bit. The DEC recently destroyed about a mile or more of fishing area  I've used for 30 years to implement Andy's Empire Trail.  He's all about paving.
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/04/17 08:55:29 (permalink)
Fichy, your last line reminded me of this tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwUJH70ubM
 
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Re: NYSDEC ANgler Survey Report. 2020/04/17 17:20:59 (permalink)
Been in my repertoire since the 70's, TB. It's a good fit.
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