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2019/10/21 17:01:48 (permalink)

How far up

I know its prob hated to hear it asked but was thinking about making a trip to Elk or Walnut was wondering if the steelhead are up to the RR tubes yet on Elk or the Falls on Walnut. Thanks!
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Re: How far up 2019/10/23 15:01:36 (permalink)
steelhead can be found just about as far up as you wanna go on elk, and also beyond route 5 on walnut

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Re: How far up 2019/10/23 15:56:44 (permalink)
10-4 Thanks!
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Re: How far up 2019/10/23 18:49:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FiveMilePete 2019/10/24 02:28:14
Rsmiff
I know its prob hated to hear it asked but was thinking about making a trip to Elk or Walnut was wondering if the steelhead are up to the RR tubes yet on Elk or the Falls on Walnut. Thanks!



 
 
You're new at this, right?
 
 
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Re: How far up 2019/10/23 18:53:33 (permalink)
Pile up on 79N

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Re: How far up 2019/10/24 02:28:02 (permalink)
fisherofmen376
steelhead can be found just about as far up as you wanna go on elk, and also beyond route 5 on walnut




All the way to the mall on Walnut.  


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Re: How far up 2019/10/24 14:33:15 (permalink)
Pete...I don't believe you!  But someday i will actually walk upper walnut to check!

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Re: How far up 2019/10/24 21:18:17 (permalink)
Just kiddin.   I haven't seen any up there in years.  The last time was maybe 10 years ago.  I broke a rod there, behind where the theater was, and luckily I bought it at Gander. Took it up to the store, and got a brand new one.  Lifetime warranty! :-)  
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Re: How far up 2019/10/27 07:58:28 (permalink)
I got snagged on a shopping cart behind the theater once, many moons ago.

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Re: How far up 2019/10/27 14:12:28 (permalink)
last time I fished there someone shop lifted all the sucker spawns out of my vest.

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Re: How far up 2019/10/27 18:44:31 (permalink)
Never fished Walnut much.
(Elk is my first love and near 'n dear to my heart)
and the dozen or so  times I have fished D'Nut ,  been  no father upstream than the falls
 
 
BUTT BUTT BUTT...
from what I recall from hanging out here since Al Bore created the 'net,
I recall plenty talk (on the board and in private) of fish way yonder upstream .
 
and then, complaints here (starting in mid/late '00s)  of less and less fish upstream ....and apparently,  now none at all in the hinder regions seekrit spots
 
I recall the falls being blamed and talk of fish ladders and/or demolition .
 is that the reason?
....did the falls change that much from late '90s to late '00s?
 
 
or.... something else?
 
 
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Re: How far up 2019/10/27 19:52:12 (permalink)
Back in 2008-10 I caught good amounts of feesh in middle walnut. 2011-12 not one bite. So I ain’t been up that way since.

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Re: How far up 2019/10/27 20:57:08 (permalink)
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Back in 2008-10 I caught good amounts of feesh in middle walnut. 2011-12 not one bite. So I ain’t been up that way since.

Same here.   Until 2010, there were fish at least as far as Buttermilk Falls.  Since then rarely seen a fish past even Rt. 5.  The park on Zimmerly Rd was a good spot also, and supposedly holding areas were put in by the park there around  2012, but I haven't seen anyone ever fishing there, and haven't seen fish there anytime I've stopped there.  No idea why.  
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Re: How far up 2019/10/28 00:37:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby genieman77 2019/10/28 17:21:32
Believe it was summer of 2009 when Erie had
an epic rain event. If you look at some of the history on the Nut gauge site, it got up around 23,000 CFS that day. Jan or Feb of 2011 got up over 15,000.

Word on the cricks is that the two events changed things at the falls drastically enough that it makes it near impossible for fish to get up.

Was around that time I quit fishing Middle Walnut too. Had some great days parking at the Gun Club on Rt 20 and hiking up stream. Was some beautiful water up there.
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Re: How far up 2019/10/28 07:06:41 (permalink)
That makes sense. The creek is constantly changing.

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Re: How far up 2019/10/28 10:50:17 (permalink)
Gentlemen,
      Many moons ago I caught fish up by the mall.  Less people, more fish.  I actually caught fish by the 80th street bridge.  And then, as the number of anglers increased, and the fish #'s dropped, fewer and fewer fish made it upstream.  I had about 12 good spots above Rt 20.  But houses were built, and fishing was not allowed, so I kept moving down stream.  I could list all the spots, but there are Spot Burn rules now so I will just say that yes, there were quite a few fish way upstream, in hard to get to places.  If you were VERY polite, and asked the landowners you could usually get permission to fish.  But the people who didn't respect the land owners and just barged in, and parked where they wanted ruined the access.
 

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Re: How far up 2019/10/28 11:16:07 (permalink)
rippinlip
That makes sense. The creek is constantly changing.




Sure is.  
 
I stopped by Walnut the weekend of the 19&20 just to look while I was up there.  NOBODY fishing between the south end of the wall and the Manchester Hole.  I didn't walk the creek, but have seen/heard reports that very few fish are holding in the "Project Waters" anymore.  Pics and reports show a ton of people on the wall and from Manchester up through the Chutes, but nobody in between.  Used to be packed in that stretch just 2 or 3 years ago.  
 
A lot of people spent good time and good money to make that stretch of crick nice too, and just in a matter of a few years, it's all changed. And it'll probably change again.   
 
Still some nice water on middle and upper Walnut that's open to fishing and that I've fished before the stream changed.  There was chatter a few years ago about the PFBC doing some surveys on Walnut and a few other cricks to look at impediments to fish passage.  They did some work on 4 Mile this summer to make the stream bed more conducive to fish movement so that they could use the fish ladder type structure they installed a handful of years back.  If they could figure out a way to do some of that on Walnut at the falls it would go a long way towards alleviating pressure in other places.  But it is on privately owned land I think and I'm sure would involve a lot of red tape with the DEP and other agencies.  
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Re: How far up 2019/10/28 22:32:43 (permalink)
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rippinlip
That makes sense. The creek is constantly changing.




Sure is.  
 
I stopped by Walnut the weekend of the 19&20 just to look while I was up there.  NOBODY fishing between the south end of the wall and the Manchester Hole.  I didn't walk the creek, but have seen/heard reports that very few fish are holding in the "Project Waters" anymore.  Pics and reports show a ton of people on the wall and from Manchester up through the Chutes, but nobody in between.  Used to be packed in that stretch just 2 or 3 years ago.  
 
A lot of people spent good time and good money to make that stretch of crick nice too, and just in a matter of a few years, it's all changed. And it'll probably change again.   
 
Still some nice water on middle and upper Walnut that's open to fishing and that I've fished before the stream changed.  There was chatter a few years ago about the PFBC doing some surveys on Walnut and a few other cricks to look at impediments to fish passage.  They did some work on 4 Mile this summer to make the stream bed more conducive to fish movement so that they could use the fish ladder type structure they installed a handful of years back.  If they could figure out a way to do some of that on Walnut at the falls it would go a long way towards alleviating pressure in other places.  But it is on privately owned land I think and I'm sure would involve a lot of red tape with the DEP and other agencies.  


Yep.  Surprised me too.  I'm still having trouble with my back, so I thought maybe I could at least get a line wet at the Stop sign hole after the rain last week, but like you said, there was nobody fishing past the wall until Manchester.
Walked down the path, and saw why.  I couldn't spot even a single fish, and water was pretty clear.   
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Re: How far up 2019/10/29 11:57:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FiveMilePete 2019/10/29 19:45:48
I blame Obama

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Re: How far up 2019/11/03 06:29:32 (permalink)
The waterfall on Walnut is now owned by the PFBC . 
 
I'm sure some are aware that a "trench" was cut through the shale on the first falls on 4 mile (just above the 1st hole by the lake).  This is supposed to allow the fish to easily pass those falls and make it to the fish ladder.  This was done as sort of a "test project" so the PFBC could gauge its effectiveness.  So far it looks to be working very well as quite a few fish were staged below the ladder before the recent rain. 
 
The plan is to cut a similar trench at walnut allowing easy passage over the falls.  The shallow water directly above the falls is supposedly the biggest obstacle as well as the steeper gradient.  Although this is supposed to happen, from what I have been told it will not be happening anytime soon.  It would be nice if it would happen prior to the fall run next year, but who knows. 
 
One things for sure, before they do it, they better secure easements on middle/upper walnut.  If they don't expect a lot of newly posted ground.
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Re: How far up 2019/11/06 08:33:26 (permalink)
New Chromer,
     Just above the falls is a very narrow channel that is cut into the flat shale.  It is how the fish traverse that shallow, flat spot in times of low water.  Usually can't be seen when the water is high, cloudy or colored.
 

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Re: How far up 2019/11/06 14:05:59 (permalink)
Yes, I have seen that channel.  If/when they cut a big channel, only a few fish will stack at the falls and the vast majority will make it over with even the slightest bump in flow.  I think it would be great, but only if it's done correctly by securing the proper easements beforehand. If they can't get the proper easements in place, then don't bother cutting the channel.  It will only lead to more pay to play areas and lost access.    
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