It might be,tull66 was a real tool & was banned yrs. ago lol. I can take it down if you want, not a problem. Just trying to live'n the place up a little, hate to see the fourms disappear for lack of posting.
 
 Dan, baitrunner fished the other side ov the river at the stink hole a lot. 
 
crappy

I spoke to Jared Sayers from the Linesville hatchery a second time recently through text. The first time I spoke with him was about the musky stocking program. The most recent time I asked him about some of the concerns of walleye stocking the I seen on this thread.

This was his response.
“Any decreases in stocking of walleye are done with a lot of science to back up the decision and it is only done to shift that same amount of fish to another water where the stocking is likely to be more successful. We mark the fish and then evaluate how much they contribute to the fishery. If they dont work for a number of years, we shift those fish to another water. Sometimes the anglers just are not using a water for walleye angling. If the usage isnt there, we will stock the fish where it benefits more anglers.

The point is, these decisions are made with a lot of thought and data behind them and it is always with the intent of creating MORE opportunities for anglers.

We take 92 million Walleye eggs each year and that is pretty close to the same it has always been. The amount stocked might be less if you look at fry. But that is because the fingerlings work better. Back in the day when they were stocking 50 million fry, they could only raise a couple hundred thousand fingerlings, now we are stocking 2 million fingerlings a year and it takes a lot of fry to accomplish that. The fry dont work in most water based on the forage base and the predator prey relationships in those waters. Sometimes the fry stockings only work once out of every 4 years, and in some places that is good enough. We monitor walleye populations and stock accordingly”

Trying not to speak for Jared himself, but with the effort he has put into responses of my questions I believe he would do the same if anyone had questions of their own.

Thanks for the input , but......
My figures came right from the PFBC stocking reports over the past 9 years and I see nothing but less Walleye being stocked.
 
  I heard the same story about 7 years ago from them about the lower Shenango River being removed from Walleye stocking list in 2007.  They said the river doesn't get as much angling as they like and the fish would be better stocked elsewhere . I say BS ! I've seen as many as 50 Walleye caught in the river in one day and most being legal . I've never seen anywhere in Mercer county, or Venango county to boost that kind of numbers being caught. I don't believe a word they say about transferring or shifting fish of the same numbers to other waterways to make them more successful . Lets see some stringers of Walleye in these so called better angling waters . Only Pymy remains the best Walleye producer in a 75 mile radius and the reason being it receives over 6 million stocked Walleyes annually from Pa. and Ohio !
The PFBC have cut back on all the other lakes and it's easy to see if you fish any other lakes.....the Walleye catches are way down from past years....just true facts.      

Az regarding the care and maintenance of our fisheries. I BTDT and I must agree, the PFBC does like to listen.

As for the results, I'm willing to bet, the only difference from what you heard and that of which I heard, is the date on the memo..... err text message.

As for pleasing everyone, there's certainly proof the PFBC has pleased someone and I'm thinking those someone's rarely, if ever, fished Penns Woods.

I may be old school in my thinking but the info I received in yesteryear as compared to that of today can be summed up, in four simple words. "Same chyt, different day".

The direction the PFBC is taking didn't just start a few years ago. If I may quote a hero of mine who once said; most of yinz wasnt piszing in diapers yet".

Please do keep up your effort(s) in working with the PFBC. I'm sure they appreciate your cooperation.

 They caught 18 Eyes, why are you having trouble catching any capt.? lol....
 
Couldn't pass it up   
https://pfbc.pa.gov/bioreports/bio2018/1x05-07-ShenangoLake.pdf
 
 

The river was a far better fishery then the lake imo even pyme for easy access anglers iv never caught more then maby 20 eyes at pyme either casting or on a boat iv had many 20-100 fish days/nights at the river, I also find it weird that after x date the fish are to dirty to be eaten but yesterday they where ok? I'm not buying it

I think walleye fishing is better suited to the western part of the state. We know there's 'eyes in Wallenpaupack out east, maybe a few in the Susquehanna, (even though it's very wide and basically shallow), but the western side of the Allegheny Plateau has the most available water and habitat for 'eyes. Until the commission comes in and says "we need to get some large mouths or small mouths in there, and maybe more crappie and 'gills". Wait! What? Now we gotta feed 'em, so we need a forage base, so let's put some alewives and gizzard shad in there for chow. Funny thing, the walleye and the crappie population is goin' down. They're not takin' off, so let's stop stockin' them. Let's put in more alewives and gizzard shad. Maybe some carp to help clean up the lake. Oye!! How can we ever understand modern science?

crappiefisher
 Compared to 3,801 Eyes, 2nd best yr. on record. 
 
https://pfbc.pa.gov/biore...1x05-11-Pymatuning.pdf

 Yea Crappie on Shenango Lake a limit of Walleye is unheard of ...for years ! Unless I invest in some trap nets !...lol Just proves my whole point about stocking more fish ....not less !
 
Pymy gets close to 6 million Walleye "every year" stocked between two states....and I'm not complaining at all I think that's great , but in comparison to the other local lakes that basically get crumbs.
 
I dare the PFBC to stock Pymy with only 1800 fish one year like they did Shenango. Then tell me a few years later the Walleye numbers are down on Shenango so we may have to reevaluate whether it's worth it to keep stocking. How can they justify their fish surveys doing that.....but that's exactly what they do ! Totally false reporting to justify the stocking cutbacks. 
 
Your right Thunder the best #1 Walleye fishing in a hundred mile radius for overall catching steady nice size Walleyes was the Shenango River, yet in 2007 the PFBC decided to stop stocking it even before the PCB news came out in 2016 !  That showed me then as now that the PFBC likes playing politics on stocking in certain areas only ! Had anyone of them ever got out and actually fished that river or talked to the locals they would have known what a gold mine they had there ....but they didn't. They jump into a survey boat and float the worst area of the river for fishing and shock a few fish then come up with their false reports ! 
 
What blows my mind is why did the stop stocking the upper Shenango River (Pymy outflow ) there are no PCB's detected there. Once again I'm sure the have some fancy excuse from the biologists as to why they no longer stock that. 

 Think it makes a difference they can basically walk across the street & stock Pymy from the Linesville hatchery plus getting the fish from there in the first place. Being the largest inland lake in the state also helps. I'm sure if the hatchery was across the street from Arthur it would be stocked heavily with Eyes. Hope things change & they fix the problem with water quality at the SR.
 
crappy

Like I said I'm glad for what Pymy has ...the best Walleye and Musky fishing in the area or the state other than Erie walleye . ...but it helps tremendous to have high stocking numbers regularly.
 
Thunder , we always called it upper Shenango river since the 70's when we fished it. Yes we had some awesome nights catching walleyes there also. Some years were better than others but it seemed to always hold fish steady. Had a few holes down river that produced some nice Eyes especially in springtime. Usually on opening night of Walleye season it was normal to see limits of Eyes caught not only in our group but others as well. Still it never compared to the lower Shenango outflow for steady catch numbers of Walleye.
 
Seems that's disappeared up there at Pymy past 10 years or more. Hardly catch any of those cigar size eyes in that river anymore....not a good sign. Now and then you see a few decent eyes caught, but nothing like the past days. The river has filled along the banks with fallen trees so it makes for almost impossible fishing in a large stretch, but you think that would make good cover for more Walleyes to survive but apparently not so. I don't think they stock it or have for many years and it shows. Last several trips up there past few years we caught zero ! Too bad it's a nice area to fish even has a beautiful handicap dock there....just no fish.  
 
Like the hunters say you can't shoot what you can't see ......and you can't catch what isn't in there either !.....lol  
 
I know this is going to sound somewhat stupid but (IMO) makes way more common sense, they should put all those Trout in that area (Pymy ) instead of the Shenango River Hamburg area. At least the access is way easier for all fishermen young , handicapped , and old at Pymy. Hamburg is about a waste of Trout stocking due to river conditions. Problem is different counties Mercer / Crawford.  Being a true put and take program I think it would be highly welcomed by most at the Pymy outflow or upper Shenango.  

Nice photos, Western PA sure has some nice waters & plenty ov bridges. Lots of trees snapped & uprooted today so far see what tonight brings. Power is back up for Brady Township, Butler for now.

anzomcik
Well I guess my efforts were for not. I get it. I should not have expect to much other than the same old.

Which ever approach anyone chooses is fine by me, we are all in the same boat.

I for one appreciate your effort.  this place is a crapfest. 
 

12 year old gotta buy a hunting or trappin' license last I know'd.

Ugly Stik
 
I lived about a mile from the Pymatuning outflow in the 80's and always did well on walleyes. I moved out of the area but have been able to fish the river the past couple years with the same results. NOTHING!. Last year I fished the river hard for two days with chubs and never got a tap. I wasn't aware the stocking had gone away but now it all makes sense. I fear fishing may go the way of hunting with no incentive to participate.

Welcome to the Inland Walleye program my friend !
 
You speak the truth about that river and I highly doubt it will ever get any better without some or more stockings. ( fat chance )
 
Other than Pymy Lake, Walleye fishing in Western Pa. waters has plummeted greatly. Some people believe what the PFBC says ....I believe in what I see and experience . 
 
New signs coming soon .....lol

do I think the PFBC needs a raise ? well I guess I do, its been a long time since they had one , the cost of things have gone up big time, wages ,equipment and so on. but I don't believe they should have free reign on giving them self what ever amount they want like they wanted too. but they need to restructure the thing that is hurting them the most, the pensions. they need to keep what they have for the employees in affect now , but new employees need a different plan, or else the beast is going to keep eating them up. a lot of company's are restructuring their pensions , my company did it 3 years ago, hopefully with an increase in funds they will give back to the people that support them and we will see more warm water stocking