MuskyMastr
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Harnesses?
What do you guys like to tie your worm harnesses on? I'm thinkin of switchin to floro for some this year. Any suggestions?
Better too far back, than too far forward.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/14 13:29:42
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why? about the floro, I mean!
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/14 14:22:38
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Well for lake erie the fluro makes sense even though your often fishing very deep. I dont really use a spinning rod enough to tell you what fluro is good. But I can say that berkley vanish is junk as you will read in other posts. If I were you I would ask around, I hear that p-line halo flurocarbon is pretty good and I know that seagur makes the best fluro tippet material so maybe try them.
I'm very familiar with the terms "RUN AND GUN" and "FISH ON!" "They're in here I can smell 'em"
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/14 15:52:43
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Yo-Zuri Hybrid is great stuff...I tie all my stuff on the 30lb test and it takes a beating!
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/14 17:18:59
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I have also used the Yo-Zuri...Not bad stuff. I also use Trilene XT green and have had good success with it. I like tying my harness with mono simply because of the shock factor and its so cheap. Use the Trilene and Cajun Red 30#. I've had very few break offs.
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mikeg
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/14 17:25:54
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Just my thoughts for fishing fluoro on the lake... Three main benefits of Fluoro... 1. Less stretch. Not needed when trolling for 'eyes. Infact, it will cost you a few fish. 2. Abrassion resistance. Agian not needed in 40 FOW with nothing to snagg on. 3. Invisible (so they claim) underwater. Not needed in a deep sandy green body of water. If you rig your trolling rods with fluoro you are just wasting money. If you have plenty of unwanted money in your account you can do one of these two things.... 1. Give it to me 2. Or just go with braid and use flouro as a leader.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/14 20:05:14
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20 lb. Vanish works fine for me i dont know what all the hubbub is about, good knot strength and no break off.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/15 01:56:02
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Mikeg, I am just thinking about using it to tie my crawler harnesses with, i use power pro or fireline on most of my lake rods. I just thought it might hold up a little better and show up a little less than the regular mono I have been tying my harnesses with...
Better too far back, than too far forward.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/15 09:33:14
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I hate the stuff. Lousy knot strength and too expensive. I doubt the walleyes care if it is less visible.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/15 09:42:45
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Mikeg, I am just thinking about using it to tie my crawler harnesses with, i use power pro or fireline on most of my lake rods. I just thought it might hold up a little better and show up a little less than the regular mono I have been tying my harnesses with...
Oooohhh....Gotcha! I misuderstood you... Personally, I wouldn't waste the money on it. I've never had any problems with regular mono.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/15 10:42:39
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I use 30lb mono without any problems.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/15 12:24:02
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I am using 30# Smoke Fireline to make the harnesses, then 20# Powerpro on the line with a 6ft 17 # flouro tippet.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/15 12:54:32
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I tie my leaders/harnesses with 20# Flourocarbon P-Line and as for it not making a difference in the deep water that is questionable . I run a 30# dyneema or spectra equivilent line baseline. I also use the same 20# flouro for my 6ft leader in front of the harness to my dipsy or rigger . It is common knowledge that the lake is getting clearer over the last 20 years because of zebra muscles filtering the water ; it used to be more green ( nutrient rich ) in color . I think the fluro helps in the clearer water . I've also been told that light reflects off the bottom of the lake so the column would go as follows : (when the sun is on the water) light to dark the first 10-40 ft , 40 - 60ft dark and the last 60-70 would have some light which kinda makes sense to me . However this is not fact ; only an opinion ... So after spending thousands on trolling equipment I will purchase a 250 yard spool of 20 # Pline = $20.00 just to be more confident with my presentations. Hope that helps . As for the harness itself I don't think it matters but I do feel the leader is necessary.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/19 04:22:03
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DC, Those were my thoughts exactly......Thanks guys...
Better too far back, than too far forward.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/19 08:55:43
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if you go with 30 pound flouro you will get a pretty bite proof leader and it will be stiffer to sort of maintain the shape more when swimming. maybe
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/19 09:50:18
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However ; if your pound test leader / harness is the same as your mainline damage sustained to your rod / holder may be detremental if snagged. I try to run a lighter leader than my base line just in case of a log , bottom structure , ect . You just never know.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/19 10:04:50
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ORIGINAL: Dream Catcher
However ; if your pound test leader / harness is the same as your mainline damage sustained to your rod / holder may be detremental if snagged. I try to run a lighter leader than my base line just in case of a log , bottom structure , ect . You just never know.
Thats why reels have drags...lol
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/19 12:44:25
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Good points all, I am gonna try them for many of the reasons mentioned, just wanted to make sure there wasn't something collossaly stupid I was forgeting.
Better too far back, than too far forward.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/20 10:20:13
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CB ,
... Your thoughts on light in the water column ? Does it reflect and light up the bottom 10 feet ? In 70 FOW on a bright day ? I have heard this from a few folks . I did find some of the prism tape precut to my size 4 willows my rigs are almost as nice as yours Now LOL.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/20 20:26:01
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I custom paint everything anymore...lol...I have a few i still tape, but tryin to get away from it...no1 has harnesses like me...im overly excentric about my rigs...i show alot of flashy colors but when it boils down to it, i run 4-5 colors every day...lol
My opinion is lake erie walleye are probaly the most aggressive breed of walleye on this earth. When they are on you could pull your baits with a shoe lace and they'd be all over it. I DO NOT believe that floro leader gives you any advantage really other than its durability...I use YO-Zuri cause it is very strong, the knot strength is incredible, and i can catch many many fish on them even when im skeptical on running a particular leader. I tie my harnesses on one leader from 6-8ft in length and wrap em up on a pool noodle.
You cant trick yourself into believe you need a floro leader to be successful. If it gives you confidence, so be it. But mono, floro, and even superbraids when used effectively work as good as any. Getting your baits at the right depth is alot more important than running a different leader material.
Lake Erie is very clear but im not sure about the reflection off the bottom...I dont think zebra mussels act like a mirror...but im sure it is a posibility if the conditions are right...lake would have to be glass and have been that way for many days so it is completly settled..
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/20 20:33:51
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CB, I agree with you about the aggressiveness. I have many days when I hear all over the radio "Every one hit blueberry muffin/Monkey Puke........" the list goes on. In the meantime I was 2 away from a 4 man limit on chartruese and green. I think staying on the fish instead of draggin dead water is much more important than color.
What hooks do you like to use on your rigs?
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/20 20:43:41
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Hey CB were do yo get your Yo-Zuri? Just bein nosey. 
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/20 20:48:23
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Nine times out of ten their gonna hammer the Purple 
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/20 20:55:37
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Wally World had Yo-Zuri in the 1500 yd spools. I've also use Trilene big game the the green for some harnesses. MuskyMastr I believe your right. Staying on fish at the right speed & right depth are the most important things. Then tweak the colors.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/20 22:36:08
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I listened to the blueberry muffin call one day and ran 2 of those and 2 chart & green (what I call HogSnot) and the Hog Snot outfished the other 9 to 1 but that is one day. I really don't think color is a big deal, BUT confidence is. You will fish better when you are confident.
Better too far back, than too far forward.
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/21 09:04:14
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I use size 2/0 hooks. Usually VMC, Gamagatzu, or Matzuo.. in octopus style..
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/21 10:00:31
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Agree guys , color is the last thing , location & depth are key . I use #2 mustad beak hooks . Another thing I've read and trying this year is spacing the trailing hook 6" back from the lead hook instead of the traditional 2-3"es . I'll let you know if my short strike numbers decrease this year ; although I didn't miss that many last year. Probably just hook more junk fish. CB could you share your thoughts on hook spacing???
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/21 10:04:32
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are you tying 2 or 3 into a rig?
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/21 11:59:13
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Two # 2 mustad beak hooks ..... 100 of them cost $8.00
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RE: Harnesses?
2008/02/21 13:26:26
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I crimp down the bait holder barbs on Tru-Turn 1/0 and 2/0. Hooks penetrate through EVERY time, hard to even get out of those walleyes.
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