Helpful ReplyHot!Steelhead

Page: 12345.. > >> Showing page 1 of 7
Author
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
2017/09/12 19:02:34 (permalink)

Steelhead

What are predictions for this years run? I hope with the colder temps and the rain predicted , the run will be plentiful this year. Goodluck this season everyone and tight lines
#1
H3Fisher
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 805
  • Reward points: 0
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 08:37:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FiveMilePete 2017/09/22 23:22:00
Another year of terrible runs. More people fishing + secretly less fish stocking = lower runs.
People keep everything they catch, people say this doesn't hurt numbers... It does.
#2
johnthefisherman
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 406
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2013/11/17 08:35:28
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 09:22:32 (permalink)
Have heard from some reports that this year's class so far is a bit better in terms of size per fish than others, not sure of the validity of that. 

Heading up this weekend to scout regardless, since it's the last free weekend I have for awhile. 

Liquid Mayhem Pro Staff: www.liquidmayhem.ca

My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/Pasc9/videos



#3
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 10:51:58 (permalink)
Hope to see you up there john! I'm going to scout to. Last time I was up very little fish
#4
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 11:25:36 (permalink)
The few fish I did see caught were all on stringers
#5
H3Fisher
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 805
  • Reward points: 0
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 13:41:14 (permalink)
^ Exactly. They need to make it catch & release until mid-October. 
 
Did a bit of scouting the past weekend. Lots of sections have been in, really hope we have a couple blowout events and maybe clears them out a bit.
post edited by H3Fisher - 2017/09/13 13:43:38
#6
Kokanee Killer
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 971
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2008/02/03 15:14:19
  • Location: Parts unknown
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 14:03:28 (permalink)
johnthefisherman
Have heard from some reports that this year's class so far is a bit better in terms of size per fish than others, not sure of the validity of that. 

Heading up this weekend to scout regardless, since it's the last free weekend I have for awhile. 



post edited by Kokanee Killer - 2017/09/13 14:04:32

I have become comfortably numb
#7
Etheostoma
New Angler
  • Total Posts : 10
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/08/28 10:19:12
  • Location: Erie, PA
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 15:08:35 (permalink)
H3Fisher
Another year of terrible runs. More people fishing + secretly less fish stocking = lower runs.
People keep everything they catch, people say this doesn't hurt numbers... It does.


I definitely agree with your fact that most people are keeping their fish and putting more pressure on them, but last year I thought the runs were great compared to previous years, we had a few perfectly timed rains.  The fish were just spread out and not clumped in the common holes.
 
Why do you think they are stocking less fish?? I have seen them stock a lot of fish.  And you do realize that this whole fishery is artificial and if they stopped it would disappear in a few years.  So obviously it must be working.  Last I remember from the Erie biologist is that the numbers have been the same for well over a decade.  But you also think that 3CU does a better job, maybe blame them, since by your accord they stock more then the state!!!!
#8
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 15:23:57 (permalink)
the size of the fish was up last year. however i feel like the absence of massive pods of steelhead is because of holes filling in. the fish are getting slautered b4 they even get past stop sign hole. and now that they added alot to the area surrounding the stopsign hole it will be a zoo. also the fact that the wallaye have a buffet with the steelhead smolts (and one can clearly tell from reading the reports that the wallaye are highly populated.
#9
Divemaster
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 729
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2015/03/22 10:03:58
  • Location: Pittsburgh, PA
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 20:24:45 (permalink)
johnthefisherman
Have heard from some reports that this year's class so far is a bit better in terms of size per fish than others, not sure of the validity of that.


After this past weekend, I can confirm that :)
#10
Trapsh00ter25
New Angler
  • Total Posts : 48
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2016/09/09 13:28:34
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/13 22:00:29 (permalink)
Hopefully some rain drops in the first part of next week. I have a guy who wants to go whose only shot is pretty much next week before he departs for Harrisburg to a new job.
#11
Kokanee Killer
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 971
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2008/02/03 15:14:19
  • Location: Parts unknown
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 00:04:14 (permalink)
naaaaaaaah there aint no steel yet     they all dropped back to the lake lol lol     hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I have become comfortably numb
#12
smally hunter
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 292
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2008/04/13 09:36:42
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 07:12:20 (permalink)
Just saying the group of local spoons chuckers is filling up the wall already .. and if you witnessed the slaughter they do by themselves it would leave you less confused about the fish disappearance .. every morning until the snow flies there's a group of 10-25 ppl .. and your very unlikely to see fish go back in the water ..not judging either it is what it is
#13
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 07:36:58 (permalink)
smally hunter
Just saying the group of local spoons chuckers is filling up the wall already .. and if you witnessed the slaughter they do by themselves it would leave you less confused about the fish disappearance .. every morning until the snow flies there's a group of 10-25 ppl .. and your very unlikely to see fish go back in the water ..not judging either it is what it is


It's true. I personally catch and release. I found it strange to see it elbow to elbow on the wall last week. I did not see one hookup other then mine. Like I said before I saw two small steelhead on a stringer at the wall. I tried to fly fish (tried for two days) and only had 1 hookup. Weather never seems to be right this time of year. No rain and warm temps will keep the steel from moving up .
#14
Etheostoma
New Angler
  • Total Posts : 10
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/08/28 10:19:12
  • Location: Erie, PA
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 08:08:34 (permalink)
smally hunter
Just saying the group of local spoons chuckers is filling up the wall already .. and if you witnessed the slaughter they do by themselves it would leave you less confused about the fish disappearance .. every morning until the snow flies there's a group of 10-25 ppl .. and your very unlikely to see fish go back in the water ..not judging either it is what it is


Unfortunately, that is what happens when people hear all the talk of how good the fishing is.  While it is great to have a fishing like this in our area, it can also be a pain.  I don't care that the "muppears" or "mov'r ears" are here fishing, they buy a license just like everyone else.  It does suck that most of the fisherman catch and keep, while I only catch and release I understand if some people want to keep them, considering the time and money people spend on a trip up here.  What is annoying is the guys that catch 3 go to the truck or go eat and then come back and catch 3 more.  Another annoying thing is all the guys who like to complain there is no fishery just to try to keep people from coming here. Yes we are all fisherman who don't give away our secret spot or maybe what's working that day but to blatantly like about there being no fish so you can have them to yourself is kind of ridiculous.
#15
H3Fisher
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 805
  • Reward points: 0
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 09:13:27 (permalink)
I stopped a walnut a couple times while visiting my brother up his camp. Before the #FakeNews on Poor Richards website about steelhead. 0 to 1 people fishing the wall.
 
Weekend following the #FakeNews shoulder to shoulder, lol. I can't wait to see the circus (maybe be part of it) when the runs really do start to happen. 
 
As for the other response. 3CU gets my money every year now. They do more for the fishery than the state.
#16
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 09:16:30 (permalink)
The run will start when the weather acctually turns. The wallaye are murdering our smolt steelhead. 2019 run will be very bad with all the wallaye this year
post edited by Erie_flyfishing - 2017/09/14 09:51:59
#17
CAPTAIN HOOK
Pro Angler
  • Total Posts : 1870
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2002/09/28 22:31:08
  • Location: N.W. Pa.
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 10:37:49 (permalink)
October for Lake Erie tribs , November for Ontario tribs, wouldn't get to excited till then.  
#18
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 11:50:11 (permalink)
Elk needs a mouth first!!
#19
Etheostoma
New Angler
  • Total Posts : 10
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/08/28 10:19:12
  • Location: Erie, PA
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 16:03:40 (permalink)
H3Fisher
I stopped a walnut a couple times while visiting my brother up his camp. Before the #FakeNews on Poor Richards website about steelhead. 0 to 1 people fishing the wall.
 
Weekend following the #FakeNews shoulder to shoulder, lol. I can't wait to see the circus (maybe be part of it) when the runs really do start to happen. 
 
As for the other response. 3CU gets my money every year now. They do more for the fishery than the state.


I have not been to the mouth of Walnut but I did see some people fishing the mouth of Trout Run and Godfrey Run.  Its always fun to watch the shoulder to shoulder guys fishing in Walnut and Elk, even though it is quite annoying. 
 
I also support 3CU but to think they do more then the state is bit ridiculous. 
Stop listening to hearsay and as stated before check your facts and see what they stock each year!!!
On that note where to you think 3CU gets their fish from, do they magically appear!?!?!?
#20
H3Fisher
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 805
  • Reward points: 0
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 16:49:25 (permalink)
Etheostoma
H3Fisher
I stopped a walnut a couple times while visiting my brother up his camp. Before the #FakeNews on Poor Richards website about steelhead. 0 to 1 people fishing the wall.
 
Weekend following the #FakeNews shoulder to shoulder, lol. I can't wait to see the circus (maybe be part of it) when the runs really do start to happen. 
 
As for the other response. 3CU gets my money every year now. They do more for the fishery than the state.


I have not been to the mouth of Walnut but I did see some people fishing the mouth of Trout Run and Godfrey Run.  Its always fun to watch the shoulder to shoulder guys fishing in Walnut and Elk, even though it is quite annoying. 
 
I also support 3CU but to think they do more then the state is bit ridiculous. 
Stop listening to hearsay and as stated before check your facts and see what they stock each year!!!
On that note where to you think 3CU gets their fish from, do they magically appear!?!?!?




You don't see State Game Rep's walking door to door trying to keep property open or thanking people who do allow fisherman. Only asking for more money.
 
They should create a fish counter and audit how many fish they truly do stock. You think they're not cutting into the numbers to save money so they can afford to pay the officers that are retired now? There was an article not too long ago about the changes they'll be making to cover those costs. Higher license costs and lower fish stockings if any for certain waterways. 
 
I can create a document saying I stock 6 millions fish and only throw in 500k. Who's going to count them as I go laughing to the bank with all the money I just made.
 
Notice the effort they're making from the recent "Epic, World class runs". How about they become pro-active and do something until the numbers come back up. Like lower limits, increase fish keeping size, change dates on when you can keep fish. 
 
Really this topics for a whole different post. 
 
I'll still catch fish and be happy, but only the true fisherman that care about the fishery we pay for will see the results of their efforts. No, adding stadium seating to a trickle of a water way does not count as an effort. They didn't even dredge that section out lol. 
post edited by H3Fisher - 2017/09/14 16:55:14
#21
PooFLinger
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 441
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2014/11/11 18:42:44
  • Location: Da basiN
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 17:49:34 (permalink)
H3Fisher
I stopped a walnut a couple times while visiting my brother up his camp. Before the #FakeNews on Poor Richards website about steelhead. 0 to 1 people fishing the wall.
 
Weekend following the #FakeNews shoulder to shoulder, lol. I can't wait to see the circus (maybe be part of it) when the runs really do start to happen. 
 
As for the other response. 3CU gets my money every year now. They do more for the fishery than the state.


Its not just them .. ive seen ppl post on fishing pages one steelhead they caught when it was probably the only one in the creek or caught all day causing mass hysteria lol. If 6 fish at sunrise between 30 ppl floats your boat then have at it lol.. gotta love internet n social media

Gill em to kill em then Rope em smoke em
#22
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 19:05:39 (permalink)
The stop sign hole will be a gladiator arena this year with those new stadium
Seats
#23
CAPTAIN HOOK
Pro Angler
  • Total Posts : 1870
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2002/09/28 22:31:08
  • Location: N.W. Pa.
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 20:02:58 (permalink)
 

 
 Quote /
I can create a document saying I stock 6 millions fish and only throw in 500k. Who's going to count them as I go laughing to the bank with all the money I just made.
 



I've seen similar stockings years ago on local creeks......numbers were pumped up...no way did those creeks get the number of Trout reported......no way !  
post edited by CAPTAIN HOOK - 2017/09/14 20:04:59
#24
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/14 20:56:02 (permalink)
CAPTAIN HOOK
 

 
 Quote /
I can create a document saying I stock 6 millions fish and only throw in 500k. Who's going to count them as I go laughing to the bank with all the money I just made.
 



I've seen similar stockings years ago on local creeks......numbers were pumped up...no way did those creeks get the number of Trout reported......no way !  


I have witnessed this man times and it is very ashame. I hope this is not happening with steelhead but it really is starting to look like it is.
#25
CAPTAIN HOOK
Pro Angler
  • Total Posts : 1870
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2002/09/28 22:31:08
  • Location: N.W. Pa.
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/15 07:39:09 (permalink)
Anything is possible with a pencil or pen. Add a zero take away a zero when counting . I've seen good local stockings and seen some that were way lower in numbers. Can't speak for Erie but I do trust the 3CU reports. (by the way, they are a co-op with the state raising trout smolts )  Shenango Lake was given 1800 stocked Walleye one year instead of about 200,000 and stocking was never made up again by our Fish Commission. Sounds fair right ? Just a little short ! But who's counting ?
#26
pafisher
Pro Angler
  • Total Posts : 2826
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2002/08/15 11:14:30
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/15 11:02:14 (permalink)
IMO the walleye are the problem,the huge population of Walleye is gobbling up the smolts every spring.Rope a Walleye and save the Steelhead.
#27
workcanwait....
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 624
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2013/03/01 18:56:24
  • Status: online
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/15 11:16:50 (permalink)
Definitely some fish in lower creeks but no water folks stay home I had gear in truck and never took a cast.
Only fish hooked were by 2 guys with fly rods and for some reason the fish kept getting off...
We really need ALOT of rain things are dry here and forecast does not look good...WCW
#28
fishrmn
Expert Angler
  • Total Posts : 707
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2002/10/09 15:29:43
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/15 11:24:20 (permalink)
Hmm, what I see here is a lot of mumbo jumbo based on personal feelings, opinions, and success (or lack thereof), with absolutely no facts to back it up.

Here are some facts for you.

- There are lots of big fish around this year, results of back to back warm winters.
- There are lots of fish out there. Lots of skippers were around literally everywhere this past winter and spring. A direct sign of a strong year class.
- Great fishing occurred over the summer across the pond, again backing up the strong year class.
- On any given season there are still a stupid amount of fish available on the south shore of Lake Erie. Enough where anglers with a low skill set can go out and expect to catch fish.
post edited by fishrmn - 2017/09/15 11:42:26
#29
Erie_flyfishing
Avid Angler
  • Total Posts : 245
  • Reward points: 0
  • Joined: 2017/09/12 18:58:16
  • Status: offline
Re: Steelhead 2017/09/15 12:11:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Etheostoma 2017/09/15 13:45:39
pafisher
IMO the walleye are the problem,the huge population of Walleye is gobbling up the smolts every spring.Rope a Walleye and save the Steelhead.


Doesn't seem so far fetched to me
#30
Page: 12345.. > >> Showing page 1 of 7
Jump to: