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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/22 17:26:39 (permalink)
Congrats, grampa!!!
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/22 19:37:05 (permalink)
Congratulations! Next generation of first mates for the boat!
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/22 19:49:00 (permalink)
Thanks folks.
I hope they are good field workers too 😀

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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/22 20:05:24 (permalink)
CONGRATS
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/23 08:24:16 (permalink)
To the Grandparents a big congratulations.  To mom and dad .  To William Able, welcome to the world, you're in for some good times.  

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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/28 12:32:56 (permalink)
Have a very large public owned area nearby where my favored Trout stream flows. Have been fishing there since I couldn't go alone and am now 71.
There is a 'FRIENDS OF' kind of organization managing the place having put in many miles of long hiking, bike and horse trails and maintain them very well.. To their  credit.
Have met some of them while fishing and had come to the conclusion the tail is starting to wag the dog. Some have  have come to think they own the place and try and put out restrictions or 'strong' suggestions' about use. 
A farmer leased a field from the Town for hay and one of the 'friends' came to him and told him he couldn't cut hay till late August ---after the birds finished nesting in the grass. 
I could go on with examples of the 'quirky' conservationist things they have said for pages.
Most recently though we had a tornado/big storm in early May leaving lots of trees down. The group had the entire hundreds of acres area closed. Every entrance has been clearly marked since the storm.
Seems  hikers and such are deemed, by the all powerful, to be unable to walk around trees on the trails.
That includes fishermen.
Seems they aren't gonna open it till they clear the down trees -for safety.
With all the signage now months after the storm it is questionable if the place will even get a State stocking next season- It stopped this May.
Big brother watching out for us 'no common sense' idiots.
Have read about similar things in other States- too bad.
Self styled conservationist big brothers are NOT our friends. The 'swamp' isn't just in DC.
 
 
 
 
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/28 12:53:07 (permalink)
A massive area in the Central Tug Hill was  acquired by the Nature Conservancy.  We ( neighbors) were assured the area would still be open for hunting and fishing even after TNC and NYSDEC took over management.  When the signs went up it was no fishing, no hunting except deer with written permission of TNC Pulaski office, so Rob Williams definitely has a place to hunt.  When TNC sends me a fundraiser now it goes right into the trash. 
 
You must be at least somewhat familiar with the Adirondacks?  Large formal groups have been controlling use of public lands up there for years.  You can't ride a bike or put peddles on a canoe in lots of places, but man- made dams can be preserved in wilderness areas to keep the paddlers happy.  An electric toothbrush is an affront, but bridges and boardwalks are built all over the place where it facilitates things for the hikers.   The double standard rules and all of New York is controlled by NYC. 
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/28 13:13:58 (permalink)
Have read things from guys in other states where the conservatory is viewed as OK-NOT FROM MY SEAT.
Every piece of land they pickup around here  is immediately posted no hunting or fishing- --hikers welcome.
Have lost some great fishing streams to them.
Another bunch of snowflake, self styled, anti sportsman so called  conservationists.
Watch their signage too- they commonly post way over their actual acreage.
One state Forrest I used to hunt had them take an adjoining property and they posted a parallel Forrest trail quite some distance from their line.
Thinking about it those signs you mentioned might not be in accordance with the deal- these people are  anti  IMHO and capable of anything therein.
Around here its mostly put and take fishing -so when they post the fishing is over with. That said I had a few where some natives were mixed in but --NO.
I hate antis-----------
If I was younger I could easily for see becoming and Indian again- just out there unseen and unheard  doing my thing.
My hard hunting/fishing cousin - a retired Warden- always says we are the last generation to be able do the things we do.
 
 
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/28 14:35:08 (permalink)
The TU has petitioned and got authorized to tear down an old dam known as the quarry hole on the Ausable in October. Citing that the water above is slow and un- natural habitat for trout.
It is a big mistake IMO. That water above has a series of deep bends which is where the holdovers hold over and get big. The water below is a bunch of shallower fast moving boulder strewn pocket water that is a death sentence for trout in the winter due to anchor ice.
Some things should be left alone

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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/28 18:23:28 (permalink)
Leader of that 'friends' group here told me once while I was trying to fish that they were gonna cut out all the deadfall in the stream so' the stream could flow naturally".
I went nuts and told them of the benefit of logs and debris in the waters slowing the flow and keeping the stream from becoming a gutted out sluice, also making places for ducks and deep holes and shade for the fish in warm weather.
Told them in no uncertain terms THAT the debris and fallen trees were normal - not what these 'all knowing-thought it up all by myself- 'conservationists' think.
That was a couple of years back- they didn't do it. Will hope they don't during this idiocy they are doing now.
I sure hate busybodys who got all the answers to things nobodys asking about.
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/28 20:07:38 (permalink)
Here's what I don't understand about this decision. TU is mostly a fly orginaztion. The pocket water below is superb flyfisher water. It's where most fish. It's not habitable for survival from anchor ice. It's mostly all catch and release. To me that means it's a stocked artificial fishery.
The slower deeper water is not conducive to their style of fishing but does produce very large fish that holdover and primary feed on minnows.
It seems they want to enhance a certain style of fishing more than a sustainable fishery. If anyone has fished the headwaters of the west branch or the un damed east branch , its bony water without much
It sucks..
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/29 08:54:51 (permalink)
Every organization-at some point- gets a bit hijacked by some who seem to be interested in themselves- just human nature and likely not intended to be nefarious. They have  a particular point of view that isn't what someone elses may be.
That don't make it right.
EX-a golf course moves up t-boxes of women or seniors so as to improve play times- a bunch of 'regulars' -all with low handicaps- complain.
Why?? ( a real example)
The new boxes will improve the scores for some-makes them more competitive with the low handicappers- sooo -complaints that have nothing to do with scores but the 'beauty' of the course and 'expense' of the new closer boxes- as well as having to possibly print new cards.
Real concerns -yes- but not the real issue for the complainers.
Deflect-deflect
Have seen a bow club or two do similar things wherein the only ones who are allowed to be in certain places open for bow- must be clubbies to apply-
Not for the club, but to guarantee a certain level of competence and safety-( guess the rest of us are bumbling idiots)
Deflect -deflect`
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/29 09:52:13 (permalink)
Now am all fired up so will double post---
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State started limiting Pheasant hunting with a paid 10 tag annual limit-they also gave stocking responsibilities to local Rod and gun clubs who stepped up and offered to do it to save that program and State funds.
After a few years of not hunting birds trained one of my Labs and bought the tags -went to a State area that I hunted often years before.
Old timer sitting there said the  Club had stocked 9 birds there that very AM. -could see one in a yard by a house walking around.
Parked in a nearby lot where a few guys I knew were ' in a certain  club who stocked this area' were just leaving-they said they had taken 8 birds off this State property open to John Q.
Cut my tags in half and never did it again- Yep -nice thing doing the free stocking butt-IMHO- they created just another club property for themselves by doing so- free birds on John Q too.
Gee-- how did those guys KNOW when and where to hunt the State land when the club is in another town 10 miles away.???
 
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Large Urban ritzy area known for a huge out of control Deer population closed to hunting without permission of landowners. Big Bow club petitioned for Bow only there and gained the support of Bow guys across the state. They did a great job and got the Community to support them in curbing the out of control Deer.
When it was all done ya had to go through the Club to get a permit- members members.
John Q who did much to support the effort was squeezed out. 
Just another great idea that- when all was said and done only helped a few 'special' folks.
 
You may get the impression I dislike Clubs- RIGHT- they- have nice lofty ideas and do a lot of general good- buttt--are often tooo self serving and therefore IMO do NOT represent non members of the sporting community even though they commonly include all of our numbers in their presentations.
 
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/29 11:42:49 (permalink)
I belong to the second oldest chartered sportsman's club in NYS.  We lease a couple of large tracts of private and posted land in the central Tug Hill, and some smaller plots south of the Northern zone line where does can be taken.  We also own a nice parcel with clubhouse and grounds.  Over my time in the club, I have helped financially to the tune of over $8000, in dues and workday fines when I was working and on call 24/7.  We do participate in some public activities, generally things like the bow tournaments that are valuable practice for hunters and raise funds for the continuance of the club, but also sponsor a kid's ice fishing derby (when there is ice, LOL), a kid's trout derby (fish from anywhere on the Tug Hill qualify), bow hunter and hunter education classes, etc, and we cooperate with the Tug Hill Snowmobile groups in agreeing when the landowners agree to allow public use of the roads for snowmobiling in the winter.  We also pay the taxes on the large tracts for the landowners, and while this does not benefit hunters who are not members of the club, (except when deer leave the relative sanctuary of the club lands, as TH deer do when the snow starts to fly), some major developments that may have taken a lot of ground out of forest production and turned it into "second home city" have not happened because of club action, along with other clubs in the area.  We have some very large state tracts adjacent or nearby, but have done nothing other than maintain our lines to hamper their use by the general public (that said, we don't build trails for everyone's use across our land to the public land.)  While there are a lot of people on the hill who resent the club for posting land, virtually every square inch of the Tug Hill that is not public land is posted, and has been for the last hundred plus years.  While I was never a big fan of clubs in my socialist youth, as I began to understand reality, I began to understand that the lease was one component of a landowner's capability to make his land provide return on investment, and without ROI, the land might get clear cut and abandoned, which is what happened to the 'dacks, and as the public lands I frequent were getting more and more crowded, and in many cases abused by the less educated or more careless newcomers to the outdoors, the club offered me a place to camp and fish, and hunt if I got back into it, without the worry that I might drive 200 miles up to the mountains and find all the campsites full where we planned to go (and this nearly happened to us once on a Labor Day weekend, the Rangers actually closed the gates to the Moose River Plains because it was full.)  The Club has been a valuable addition to my options, and the club has contributed greatly to the outdoor sports in Central New York, and now that I am retired, I donate a lot more time to keeping it going.  So I can see the other side of clubs.
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/29 12:13:57 (permalink)
I too see that side and appreciate it- they can be counted on to be among the first to act in mass when ever an anti issue raises its head. That's on behalf of all of us. I get it.
In my posts you will see that I did in fact give credit.
However, I also pointed out that non members often get cut out of things that initially seem to be benefiting ALL when clubs get involved and have input.
Without Clubs some things we all enjoy may well have been in our past and no longer available.
They can ,however, sometimes be very self serving.
In action about laws and rules they do represent all of us in good faith but John Q must know that generally they are private and have a membership to serve.
There is a difference.
In younger days  considered joining a club but long haphazard work hours along with family considerations and being a very active Scoutmaster and on some local boards and commissions I simply didn't have time for the club work requirements and other time necessary so I passed.
Glad to see your involvement in a real nice Club with excellent facilities.
 
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/29 12:40:12 (permalink)
Probably the most exclusive club around right now is DSR, $900 per year dues, or $70-80 per day!  Of course, ya could rub elbows wit' the Chartist!
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/29 12:50:23 (permalink)
That's kind of a good example-Those who pay the most get to go in first and get 'the spots'- before daily John Q.
That combined with the also 'early entry' guides and clients.
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/30 17:54:07 (permalink)
Not much work getting done as I'm loading up for some fun starting tomorrow on this day of my labor holiday weekend.
Son, grandson and friend will be relaxing on a recon at deer camp to tend to things and put cameras out. Fires will be built, stories will be told, good food cooked , loud music played, shots fired and hopefully some work done but it's always minimal.
I'm sure they will bring an arsenal, you may notice on the back atv my weapon of choice is a daisy red rider 😁
Enjoy your fun stuff this weekend, I'm outta internet range

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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/30 20:27:51 (permalink)
Ughhh I have to work Saturday and Monday no relaxin' for me

The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span the hours spent in fishing.  ~Babylonian Proverb

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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/30 21:39:06 (permalink)
r3g3 are you saying well intended organizations are being overpowered by selfserving cliques? Whose only agenda is to benefit for the chosen few?


HT have a great time this weekend. When ya get back into internet range look for a pic of my new All Terrain Vehicle along with my new camping buddy.

Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~
 
 
 
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Re: fun stuff 2018/08/30 22:16:33 (permalink)
Not  necessarily overpowered or the only agenda but on occasion there are those things that stand out from otherwise generally well intended sounding actions.
People being selfish on occasion. 
 
Enjoy Tuna- have fun.
 
Flip side--
After being in Scouting a long time decided to start my own Troop -Approached a local Rod and Gun as they had great facilities for the kids.
When the area pro Scouting rep came  to the club where we were invited to a meeting to discuss the request the members immediately and overwhelmingly approved.
The Pro said he had never had such a fast approval of a Troop sponsorship nor so many people quickly volunteer to help out.
Had bout the only Scouts around who all had their firearms safety badges as well as a place to camp and do fire and cooking badges right outside the front door.
Couldn't have been better.
Turned down the offers of a free membership, was just appreciative  to be there at that level.
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Re: fun stuff 2018/09/02 13:02:30 (permalink)
Guess will be up with a friend and perhaps one of my Sons mid Oct. Gonna try a late Sept trip myself too.
Chompin at the bit.
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Re: fun stuff 2018/09/02 13:56:46 (permalink)
As far as fun I have a MD appt on Wednesday at 1100 so if the weather is decent I should have a report on what is going on. With the release and wind maybe some action.

The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span the hours spent in fishing.  ~Babylonian Proverb

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Re: fun stuff 2018/09/02 14:35:38 (permalink)
I thought it was kind of odd that DSR posted no report for yesterday.  750 cfs is up, but should not totally curtail fishing, unless of course it has all been sight and line placement for those early passholders!
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Re: fun stuff 2018/09/02 15:49:08 (permalink)
So I returned from deliverance.
We accomplished what needed to be done. Put 5 more cameras out, checked 2 which had thousands of pictures.
Moved a treestand ( I have 9 out there for 4 people who hunt ) and established a few new ground blind stands. My son and grandson had a blast riding atvs until they were to tired . Burned an enormous amount of firewood and re upped the pile for next trip. You really don't need a saw there . I cut a load of Apple wood for the smokehouse.
There are 12 very longstanding trees and strangely no apples this year on them.
Other than that, it was a relaxing 3 days for me with excellent weather, not to hot and no bugs.
I took very few pictures and used my phone maybe once .
Next trip we will be in hunting mode starting October 1. I do see an established structure going up by me next spring as well as a side by side from my son
Right now I'm working on the smokehouse and garden. Want to do a trial run with smokehouse tomorrow.
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Re: fun stuff 2018/09/02 17:04:30 (permalink)
Sometimes they skip a year, especially if the flowers get burnt by the frost. The big one in our pasture (really two really close together) skips every third or fourth year

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Re: fun stuff 2018/09/03 08:29:16 (permalink)
Report from DSR was that there was very little fish movement yesterday,and no surprise there with water temps in the mid 70's.More heat for the next three days and then maybe it'll cool off.....I hope!!!
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Re: fun stuff 2018/09/04 12:47:43 (permalink)
Long term weather- as of now-isn't all that encouraging for cooling waters.
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Re: fun stuff 2018/09/05 15:37:34 (permalink)
I walked from ballpark to staircase and the only fish I saw were floating near shore. Too hot to do anything else.

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Re: fun stuff 2018/09/05 16:03:11 (permalink)
Read a blog or two where others have also been seeing deads.
Typical for the few poor scouts running too early.
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