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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/03 10:27:59 (permalink)
Good work HT. One never knows who is at the door these days.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/03 12:25:14 (permalink)
Everyone in my area is armed and several are combat vets.If these "protesters" decide to loot the rural area where I live they will be shot DEAD!!
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/03 16:52:48 (permalink)
Rich I give ya credit for restraint- many here have one version or another of your locker and when someone who just left a stolen car after the 'demonstrations
is trying to push into your castle -welll give ya credit.
Thats the situation most of us hope will never happen but we try and prepare for it to one degree or another.
 
Just wondering- was that alarm a coincidence or something you triggered.
Likely they were looking to get another car--
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/03 17:19:28 (permalink)
We did not know the situation of her until after she left so to us she presented herself as in need of help. She was not receptive of the help and became combative, that's when our defense system went up. The police are always our first thoughts. Having a backup self defense is always at the ready . The firehouse whistle sounded because someone near the crash ( 1/2 ) mile away called to report an accident. She flipped the car upside down then staggered to our house . So in retrospect, there were already authorities and responders in route.
Scary stuff in strange times.
I now have an ample supply of what's needed if necessary thanks to my boys.
Things in the range of double 00.
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/03 19:10:07 (permalink)
Agree with the 00- have the 45 in a ready place but only 4 and 5  shot and slugs for one of the big guns
- looked a day or two ago for the 00 I thought I had- none.
gotta get a few,
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/03 21:20:16 (permalink)
I don't mean to get all rebellious. Let me say, it's only the second incident on our country property in my 54 years.
I put cameras up at beginning of covid in March because of people I've never seen. Everyone has been kind .
I take this as a get outta here thing that hopefully won't happen again.

Fun stuff ahead as I'm going fishing again very soon.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/04 08:19:51 (permalink)
I’m not sure shot size is even a consideration. With plastic wads, the shot pattern, particularly out of any shotgun not choked straight cylinder (no choke at all), is less than about 6 inches at under 10 yards, so basically a slug of lead.

When I used to guide for pheasants and looked at thousands of hunting photos I took, other than head off the stock and feet all tangled up in the wrong position, the cause of most missed was shooting too close before the pattern had a chance to open up. I did a lot of pattern demonstrations and with a 12 gauge and modified choke, at 8-10 yards, the pattern was basically a single hole about 2-3 inches in diameter for the shot and another hole for the wad. And that was with 6 shot.

Also, while smaller shot does not keep the kinetic energy of larger shot (at that distance it doesn’t matter), it does penetrate soft tissue easier and deeper.

If the distance is over 10 yards, there is no need for deadly force because escape is possible. If the distance is less than 10 yards and there is a barrier, like a door or a window, something that requires heavier shot to breech, there is no need for deadly force because escape is possible.

The caveat would be if the other person is armed as well. Then all bets are off, but still not sure shot size matters at that point.
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/04 09:37:23 (permalink)
DarDys,   does pattern scatter faster with a sawn off barrel?  to allow the non lethal (or lethal, depending on shot size choice) but no aim needed, effect at closer distances?
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/04 10:09:38 (permalink)
Within 10 yards there is little discernible difference between full choke (extremely constricted) and cylinder (no choke or sawn off). Beyond that distance, there is a tremendous difference.

Back in my sporting clays days, I had chokes (Listed open to constricted) — cylinder, skeet, modified skeet, sporting clays 1, sporting clays 2, improved cylinder, light modified, modified, improved modified, light full, full, extra full, and extreme full. They all had their place and purpose, at least mentally. But under 10 yards, no difference.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/04 10:19:35 (permalink)
DarDys
Within 10 yards there is little discernible difference between full choke (extremely constricted) and cylinder (no choke or sawn off). Beyond that distance, there is a tremendous difference.

Back in my sporting clays days, I had chokes (Listed open to constricted) — cylinder, skeet, modified skeet, sporting clays 1, sporting clays 2, improved cylinder, light modified, modified, improved modified, light full, full, extra full, and extreme full. They all had their place and purpose, at least mentally. But under 10 yards, no difference.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/04 12:11:30 (permalink)
Dar is correct-I  have seen the results of both heavy and light shot at close range- not much difference.
Even low bras at close distance gets it done.
But if your getting shot at at a longer distance may as well use what decent for further out -just in case.
Neverknow what situation ya may be confronted with.
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/04 12:42:36 (permalink)
Set up some scrap 2" × ?" targets. Shoot each with various calibers of hand guns, walking back 10 yds each time then break out the shotgun and do the same. You be the judge.

Out-n-bout it's 9mm to 357 on the hip. Home defense, it's shotgun #6 shot all the way.

Sawed off shot guns, are they legal to have in possession?

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/04 13:03:10 (permalink)
I would take my chances on a firearms violation if it means a gun with stopping power and reduced aim needed, especially if I was looking for someone with diminished arm strength or shaky hands. A 22 with a laser site is easy to use but not much stopping power, yes they are lethal (I have seen the results firsthand) but not really quick.
I would say it comes down to having a shooting range and a variety to test out to find the weapon that matches the person's ability and comfort zone.
And I carry a knife with me most times, legal or not. If someone is close enough for me to use it I will take my chances on explaining why or paying a penalty for carrying it.
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/04 18:30:22 (permalink)
Congratulations pop TB
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/05 11:37:50 (permalink)
HT "Watch out for your top knot."
 
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/05 12:47:15 (permalink)
Don't really prefer the conversation but since we are on it- remember a once shot perp can still kill ya even with a fatal wound- he often has time with knife or gun.
 
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/05 13:08:41 (permalink)
One of my hunting buddies was the PSP expert witness on shootings, so he got to interview lots of folks who ended up getting shot. The statistic that he provided that really jumped out was that 77% of people shot with a handgun survived. That goes to the point above where a shot person is still dangerous, especially after they fall because blood no longer needs to flow vertically to the brain, just horizontally, which often makes the shot person viable again.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/05 13:30:45 (permalink)
James Arness was shot hundreds of times on Gunsmoke alone, and he still lived to the age of 88.
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/05 13:57:00 (permalink)
Thanks HT.  Get to see my new granddaughter for the first time later this afternoon.  A new fishing buddy in the making.
 
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/05 20:03:15 (permalink)
Teach her well TB.. she entered a new world upon the likes possibly changed forever in our lives.
Remember, social interaction is a very good thing. Computers can't replace humans

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/17 09:31:55 (permalink)
Well- might not be on the SR this upcoming season-
After well over 30 consecutive seasons its not a happy thought-
even skipped a Steel run-
Too darned old for a one day death swoop-- not inclined to sleep on the ground anymore ( used to be a Scoutmaster and loved it)--Wont sleep in a room where ya don't know who was there last and don't trust cleaning procedures with Covis around--
don't mind fast food but wont go into a diner or bar because of Covis either.
Yea- with my age and general respiratory health am fearful of Covis--
 
Disclaimer- am 50/50 that I may well have had it already last Feb and have yet to get tested. 
If a test says I already had it -- FISH BEWARE--
Wishful thinking---
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/21 21:01:00 (permalink)
 Hate to double post-'
Ny Gov Cuomo- you know, the nursing home hero- Now says he may be instituting a MANDATORY two week quarantine for people coming into Ny from other states.
Just when the Guides and folks by the river and lake were starting to make a living again----
 
Orrrr- a great excuse to stay longer------(if I only still had my place up there -lol)
 
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/22 07:17:46 (permalink)
Well, Rhode island did just that for about 2 1/2 months.
I don't think Cuomo has any worries because he's the main reason people have been moving out of new York for years.
Thankfully I won't hear him spewing garbage on tv everyday at 11:30 anymore.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/23 21:25:53 (permalink)
Have a great trip Rich.
 
Hey- been watching lake reports and photos from around Selkirk and the Power Plant area ( can see them often in the background)
FAT FISH of several kinds seem commonplace
 
Hope the bait is back.
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/26 20:24:20 (permalink)
3 grandkids, wife and my sister . I sure hope the truck will pull all the stuff they keep putting in the camper. My gosh can women bring stuff..
Someone is excited for some fun.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/26 20:38:36 (permalink)

Now that smile will brighten any camping trip!  I hope the weather cooperates and gives you all a wonderful week of family fun and good fishing!
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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/26 20:59:15 (permalink)
Fantastic picture. I think grandpa is just as excited. 😊 Have a great time HT.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/26 21:03:22 (permalink)
Grandpa hopes there is an endless supply from the fountain of youth. Beer too, lol.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/28 15:14:29 (permalink)
Day 1 clamming. With 5 others on board it was a bit challenging. Low tide was 8am, we got there at 11am. I was basically digging solo but in rising waters . Fared about 3 dozen little necks and kept a dozen chowders. Threw a dozen chowders back.
By 2 pm the waters got deeper and everyone was ready to retire from sitting on shore/ playing in water.
I now have an idea how things will proceed with me getting up early and the family coming later. All good as everyone is having fun. Hopefully the weather holds. Expecting heavy t storms, high winds towards evening so we'll batten the hatches.
Thursday and Friday will be lobster day.
No pictures due to not having a inflatable raft to haul gear. Go figure, none available anywhere. Been trying for weeks to get 1.

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Re: fun stuff 2020/06/28 15:37:56 (permalink)
HT good luck clamming though you can have my share. I'm from Baltimore and I remember my parents and relatives loving them things. Just something I never aquired a taste for. Strangely enough, my two kids, born and raised in NW PA and never subjected to clams... love them things.

Lobster, however is a different story. Yummy [he said drooling]


Be safe in those storms, forecast for your area. Hopefully they fizzle out as they did for my neighborhood.

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