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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 11:18:41 (permalink)
Per the Constitution, it is the responsibility of Congress to engage the military.  UNLESS...  Your party is the one in office.  Then that doesn't matter.  Worked well for the past few swamp monsters.  Why not for the current one?
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 12:38:37 (permalink)
I'm far from an expert on foreign policy and military affairs, but David French laid out a pretty cogent argument for why Congressional approval was not needed to take out Soleimani, while also saying that Trump's subsequent rhetoric would have amounted to war crimes had he carried through.  He's definitely a more conservative voice, but a Never-Trumper.  And he also thoroughly discussed his concerns about the wisdom and timing of the move.  But if your question was in regards specifically killing Soleimani, heres what one voice had to say about it:
 
It's very important that Suleimani was killed in Iraq. Why? Because American troops are lawfully in Iraq -- there by congressional authorization and with the permission of the Iraqi government. Moreover, they have a right of self-defense.  And don't forget, they were reintroduced to Iraq by the Obama administration. The present military operations are a continuation of military operations initiated by President Obama. This is Obama's deployment as much as Trump's. It was proper then, and it is proper now.  Iranian-backed militias attacked U.S. troops lawfully present in a combat zone under valid legal authorities. Moreover, America's military response isn't limited to immediate self-defense or tit for tat. It can act to remove the threat. That threat includes enemy commanders.  The true "act of war" was thus Iran's -- by putting one of its commanders, boots on the ground, in Iraq to assist in planning and directing attacks on U.S. forces. America is entitled to respond to that threat.  Suleimani was an evil, evil man. There is much American blood on his hands. And he was killed lawfully, in a properly constitutionally-authorized conflict. There is much risk and peril to come, but Trump's action was constitutionally legitimate, and that matters. A lot.   
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 13:09:41 (permalink)
Right, I think it was "constitutionally legitimate".  It appears that most of congress believed it to be so as well, however uneasy it made some of them.  There's always some outliers on any issue that will go to extremes.    I think the current resolution is more insurance for the future that Congress will be involved in the process.  Trump doesn't want to answer to anyone.  It's a branch power struggle and those are generally healthy for our country.  
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 13:15:15 (permalink)
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Per the Constitution, it is the responsibility of Congress to engage the military.  UNLESS...  Your party is the one in office.  Then that doesn't matter.  Worked well for the past few swamp monsters.  Why not for the current one?

 
 
 
Map shows where President Barack Obama dropped his 20,000 bombs
Outgoing US leader carries out 3,000 more strikes in 2016 than year before
 Thursday 19 January 2017 13:19  
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-president-barack-obama-bomb-map-drone-wars-strikes-20000-pakistan-middle-east-afghanistan-a7534851.html


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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 13:21:12 (permalink)
I'm all for drone strikes, its great way to kill terrorists, Obama agreed.
 
"There were ten times more air strikes in the covert war on terror during President Barack Obama’s presidency than under his predecessor, George W. Bush."
 
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush
 
 
I don't recall Chuck and Nancy saying Obama committed war crimes
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 13:40:07 (permalink)
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I don't recall Chuck and Nancy saying Obama committed war crimes

Which is exactly what I said, no?
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 13:55:00 (permalink)
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Per the Constitution, it is the responsibility of Congress to engage the military.  UNLESS...  Your party is the one in office.  Then that doesn't matter.  Worked well for the past few swamp monsters.  Why not for the current one?



Absolutely Pork..... that's the intension of "Speaker of the Swamp Nancy Pelosi" (another BTDT original).

Tie the hands of President Trump at the same time giving the Iranians the green light to continue killing our troops and innocent people. Under the false pretense of terrorism

Meanwhile, Iran can continue feeding it's people and the rest of the world propaganda, it's terrorist killing Iranians and others, around the world.


In other news, given the time of take off by the airliner from Tehran.

Would one not think the pilot was "told" to take off, orrrrr could the pilot be another pre 911 pilot trained on US soil, (in the days of Ted Kennedy's "no profiling" iron fist) looking to get his 72 virgins?

Last but not least.... did not a Trump Thumper get irate, when the Middle East was said to be barbaric and been killing each other for centuries?

🤔hmmmm. Cutting off heads, burning or drowning people in cages or SHOOTING DOWN passenger planes loaded with innocent people as means to sending a message. Gosh, gee whiz, how reasurring the people controling countries like Iran..... ain't barbaric.

LDD.... you sound 😳 disgruntled the "writting is on the wall" regarding "Speaker of The Swamp" abusing her powers and looking more & more like she and her swamp are colluding with our "enemies".

Where was the swamp during the "Uranium Deal", "The Fast & Furious" or the infamous "secrete shippment of billions of dollars" (tax payers money)? Which I might add, likely used to buy weapons such as the one that just downed an airliner (killing all innocent civilians) leaving Tehran International Airport, immediately following an attack aimed at killing US troops located in another country, using ballistic missles purchased by Iran.

Where is the outcry from the swamp when countries like Iran hold rallies of thousands of people chanting "Death to America" or where is "Speaker of The Swamp Pelosi" while four of her jr "colleagues" promote socialism and anti-semitism?


No "crawfish pie" today.... Sausage gravey and biscuits on the menu.... hope you enjoy your crow.

Thanks for the flowers on "have a nice day".💐 Back atcha 🌻
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 13:56:46 (permalink)
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I don't recall Chuck and Nancy saying Obama committed war crimes

Which is exactly what I said, no?


 He's currently realizing that...
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 18:43:21 (permalink)
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I'm all for drone strikes, its great way to kill terrorists, Obama agreed.
 
"There were ten times more air strikes in the covert war on terror during President Barack Obama’s presidency than under his predecessor, George W. Bush."
 
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush



A “number of drone strikes” metric by itself doesn’t provide any meaningful measure of how a president uses US military power.

Of course obama conducted more drone strikes, Bush’s military campaign consisted of more conventional warfare tactics, like the ”shock and awe” campaign and a ground invasion. I think Bush deployed something like 248,000 US troops to Iraq? It was a totally different strategy. You might as well say “Obama used more drone strikes than were used in Vietnam and WWII” and that would be equally as insightful.

Obama also caught plenty of heat for those drone strikes, particularly from the left, and “Ron Paul” libertarian types.

And Congress also challenged Obama on his authority to redeploy troops to Iraq in 2014 without congressional authorization. The difference is that Obama had an international coalition backed by the UN, and Iraq desperately needed assistance because ISIS was surging. On the other hand, Trump’s assassination of Soleimani was a unilateral action against a country we were not actively at war with, and which as it turns out our allies strongly opposed. It was unnecessary and dangerous escalation of conflict.
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/10 18:53:58 (permalink)
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I don't recall Chuck and Nancy saying Obama committed war crimes


Plenty of civilians were accidentally killed by drone strikes on obamas watch. His political allies in Congress may not have called him a war criminal because of it, but lots of other people have.

The difference is that civilians were not intentionally targeted by the Obama administration. Trump on the hand publicly stated an intention to attack non-military targets. Surely you recognize the difference.
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/12 07:38:57 (permalink)
OH LOOK.... Iran admits [or leaks] to shooting down an airliner killing all 176 aboard.

Thousands [whose counting] of Iranians protesting in the streets demanding justice and a change in their goverment.

Adam Schiff moves to the fake news still calling for a change in the White House. Schiff demands "open" meetings on the killing of Soleimani. [what better way, for Schiff, to alert the terrorist?]

Speaker of the Swamp [a BTDT original] Nancy Pelosi says she is sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate this coming week.

Giuliani has no problem with witness testimony in impeacment hearings. Slyly drops potential evidence, with "Uncle Joe" money making scheme in Ukraine annnnnd China.

annnnnnd last but not least..... yet another lieing MyWar, emerges from the "CircleJerk" chat room, this one a psycological magician and knows "exactly" the intensions of the "POTUS" .
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/13 13:52:01 (permalink)
Speaker of The Swamp Nancy Pelosi fires warning shot toward senators who deflect away from calling "witnesses" to testify during the impeachment proceedings.

Chuck Schumer follows in Pelosi's footsteps vowing to expose information about senators needing to run during the 2020 elections.

Any question why our country has been going down hill the past forty years?

Trump says allowing witness(s) testifying is OK with him. Adds Pelosi to the list of witness's that should be subpoenaed.

Nancy always looks like a "botox commercial" when appearing on national TV. Lately though, looks like she just fell out of bed.

President Trump supports Iranian people protesting for their freedom giving warning to Iran gov.

Speaker of The Swamp Pelosi says Iranian people are protesting for "other" reasons annnnnd stops short of listing those reasons. Nor, warns the Iranian gov.


Any wonder why our nation has been going down hill the past 40 years?


"DRAIN THE SWAMP"


TRUMP/PENCE 2020.

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/15 11:35:27 (permalink)
Anybody watching the signing of the Phase one China trade deal? Stock market hovering at 29,078..... ooops make that 29,100...

😅🤣 Fox is showing the signing of the China deal annnnnd CNN is moaning impeacment.
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/15 19:32:20 (permalink)
Yeah, and Nancy & Chuckie want their way with witnesses, or it's automatically a cover up.
They already have testimony from the ones they want to call documented by the Intelligence Committee and the Judicial Committee. The investigating is over. It's time for the trial based on the evidence they already hold, so let's get on with it. C'mon Crats! Prosecute your case!

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/15 20:22:57 (permalink)
I agree emitch.... git-r-done.

C'mon November 2020


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Re: Trump... 2020/01/16 10:30:06 (permalink)
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https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/15/cnn-questions-pelosi-souvenir-impeachment-pens/



Thank goodness Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't hate Donald J. Trump and feels soooooo bad the Dems. had to come to such a somber event.

I hope Nancy Pelosi also remembers "nobody is above the law".


C'Mon Nov 2020

Trump/Pence/House/Senate 2020

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/16 12:50:05 (permalink)
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https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/15/cnn-questions-pelosi-souvenir-impeachment-pens/



Thank goodness Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't hate Donald J. Trump and feels soooooo bad the Dems. had to come to such a somber event.

I hope Nancy Pelosi also remembers "nobody is above the law".


C'Mon Nov 2020

Trump/Pence/House/Senate 2020

You better hope the house flips or 4 more years of gridlock. I think the senate and prez & vice prez will stay Republican. Least wise I hope so.

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/16 16:26:46 (permalink)
Bigfoot I know you're right. Even worse, look out if the Dems get control of the Senate.

Both Trump & Pence would be out in a New York minute then Pelosi would take over.

Sweet nightmares.

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/19 06:52:29 (permalink)
Oh look, an alternate news source. How much of this could be considered 'fake news".
 
https://bonginoreport.com
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/19 12:31:08 (permalink)
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Oh look, an alternate news source. How much of this could be considered 'fake news".
 
https://bonginoreport.com



May take a bit for a negative response about Bongino or the articles.

Not difficult for the opposition to hit the internet in search of counterarguments. Problem being, finding (just) the right one, and in some cases, an argument of which the majority (of a troll chat room) agrees upon.

The diffence, one being fact and the counterarguments being "opinion".
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/19 13:56:06 (permalink)
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Oh look, an alternate news source. How much of this could be considered 'fake news".
 
https://bonginoreport.com


I looked it up. Seems to be nice alternative to the fake news sites that seem to dominate the information highway. Dan appears to be a man of principles and is passionate in putting forth his views on various issues.

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/19 15:26:55 (permalink)
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JM2
Oh look, an alternate news source. How much of this could be considered 'fake news".
 
https://bonginoreport.com


I looked it up. Seems to be nice alternative to the fake news sites that seem to dominate the information highway. Dan appears to be a man of principles and is passionate in putting forth his views on various issues.


I did too and I agree Bongino doesn't throw stuff out and see what sticks. Dan does his homework and speaks fact. But if a mistake is proven, Bongino is not afraid to make the correction.


P.S. Does have a bit of a temper though. If I recall correctly, Dan did go off 🙈 on a news reporter which needed some 'splaining. 😉
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/19 17:16:55 (permalink)
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Oh look, an alternate news source. How much of this could be considered 'fake news".
 
https://bonginoreport.com


I looked it up. Seems to be nice alternative to the fake news sites that seem to dominate the information highway. Dan appears to be a man of principles and is passionate in putting forth his views on various issues.


I did too and I agree Bongino doesn't throw stuff out and see what sticks. Dan does his homework and speaks fact. But if a mistake is proven, Bongino is not afraid to make the correction.


P.S. Does have a bit of a temper though. If I recall correctly, Dan did go off 🙈 on a news reporter which needed some 'splaining. 😉

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/19 17:19:05 (permalink)
Yea he is a bit of a hothead but if push came to shove I’d want him in my corner.

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/20 09:22:18 (permalink)
On Saturday, as I was bored to tears sitting in the house, watching it ice, then snow, then ice, the snow, then ice some more and not wanting to comprehend what a pain the the backside it was going to be to clean up and how slick things would stay until mid week when the sun and the temperatures would final dispose of the ice, I started flipping through the channels, starting as high up as my subscription goes, and systematically clicking down each channel to see if anything interesting popped up.

I ended up stopping at Fox News — no, not because I watch it, which I have stated many times in this forum, but because I recognized the guest on the show. The guest, whom they labeled “America’s Accountant,” was Dan Geltrude. Dan and I went to grad school together and had several classes together. We even stayed in touch for a while after graduation, but as always seems to happen, that contact gradually diminished. I heard for utter obscurity (and I like it that way), while he took the national stage as a prominent expert in his field.

It was obvious he had been on for a while, so when I turned the sound on (surfing is best done in silence imho) they conversation was on, well, imagine that, impeachment. Dan made the statement (paraphrased) that the folks he knows (he owns a prominent accounting practice in NYC) and he also felt, most folks, have moved on and really don’t care anymore. They are interested in more and different subjects and are tuning out impeachment coverage.

The other guest, an editor for the Wall Street Journal, espoused that Dan was wrong and Americans were hanging on every word they could hear or read about impeachment.

Dan politely, but emphatically disagrees and stated (again, paraphrasing) that the only Americans, beyond the very bottom of the bases of the parties who cared at all at this point were they news organizations. He went on to further backhand the guy with a velvet glove and continued that the vote is a foregone conclusion and Trump will not be removed from office, and the American people, who can now do their own research on the internet no longer need, want, or desire the media, especially print newspapers, to tell them what and how to think.

Of course, the editor’s counter was a “well, we will see,” because he had no intelligent comeback.

I tend to agree with Dan. With the vote being almost guaranteed, this is much ado about nothing. One side will spin it one way — justice served; told you nothing happened; now let’s go after those that actually “did” what they were up in arms about what Trump “said” — and the other side will spin it the other way — it was a coverup; justice wasn’t served, but would have been if witnesses were permitted/not permitted; and the we will vow to keep investigating until we find something because we know something is there.

What really remains is control of the house and senate. If the Dems retain the house, it will be investigation after investigation looking for that elusive something. If they get the Senate, along with the house, there will be another impeachment and this time removal from office, warranted or not. And that is what they will run on in 2020 — we need to in office to stop Trump, the next iteration of the devil.

The GOP will run on the Dems being so focused on Trump removal, even pointing to they started the impeachment chant before he was sworn in, that they didn’t bother with doing their jobs for the American people. There might be enough voters who are fed up, in either direction, but more than likely, anti impeachment after the trial, to give back the house to the GOP and maybe even a super majority in the Senate. At that point, a lot of legislation will get done. Some will like it, others loath it.

And that will make for an interesting 2024.

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/20 12:32:59 (permalink)
Interesting DarDy and may I too say, channel surfing is also, a pastime of mine. However, my subscription is of limited channels, in turn, providing for few choices of televised enjoyment.

Therefore, etc, etc, ect, (😉) I prefer to say I am 'channel trolling' in that I troll, until a channel snags me.

That being said, ect, etc, ect (😒) "Speaker of The Swamp" (a btdt original) Nancy Pelosi and her henceman Shiff & Nadler are going down in history as being the 'destroyers of the Democrat Party'. I too think the same three people will be forever chastised for attempting to destroy the US Constitution.

Nancy Pelosi knows, her legacy is now in the toilet so now in a temper tantrum, & chancing a depression in America, Pelosi has the POTUS impeached.

Unfortunately, etc, ect, etc, (😎) the news media had turned the entire situation into a circus chyt show and for nothing more than ratings. No need to go down that road as we all know, ratings are about money.

Furthermore, I do believe mostly "special interest groups" (a fraction of a fraction, of the public, etc, ect, ect (😊) cares about the impeachment. Which further, pizses off "Speaker of The Swamp" Nancy Pelosi.

In closing, let me just say this, Pelosi is being nothing more than a childish brat because she cannot control President Trump. Pelosi has thrown everything in her playbook and has failed and will forever be known for sending her political party to the toilet.

Pelosi's only self satisfaction is thinking she destroyed Trump's Legacy. "An Impeachment is forever" states Nancy Pelosi followed by handing out autographed pens, she used in signing the Articles of Impeachment. 🤔hmmm did not Pelosi state, to her party, this is not time for celebration?

Meanwhile, Shiff & Nadler become desperate to unseat the POTUS with mention for investigation of the Vice President. But why, would Shiff & Nadler be so desperate? Might the very word "investigation" have Shiff & Nadler pooping their panties, etc?

Last but not least........ what do younz think would happen if the POTUS did get removed? Stock market crash, ect, etc,ect, or etc???


In other news, Bloomberg says he will spend billions to beat Trump. So I sez to my self, "self" if Bloomberg is stupid enough to throw his money away what the hell would he do with tax payers money?
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Re: Trump... 2020/01/20 12:47:09 (permalink)
In other news.....

ICE ramps up pressure on NYC over sanctuary city polices. ICE subpoenas four NYC officials.

Interesting.........

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/21 15:11:41 (permalink)
Tried watchin the opening arguments for the Senate hearings this morning. 😭rying Schumer looked like he was about to blow a gasket and Schiff... man those eyeballs of his are soooo spooky, not to mention the heavy bags under those bulging eyes. Looks like Adam could use some serious sleep.

Anyhow.... as expected, 😭 Chuck demands WH info be subpoenaed. The same info that should have been called for, by the House.

Anyone wanna argue the reason being for the info, is to hold up the hearings, keeping all Senators locked in? (especially the presidential hopefuls)

Keep in mind, 👀Schiff could have subpoenaed the same information under his command. So why wasn't the WH info called for, during 👀Schiffs watch?

Also remember, what the Swamp initially accused Tump of wrong doing annnnnnnd, Biden hasn't even been nominated as the Dem. Presidential candidate....... yet!!!😎

"You don't have to do this Joe" ummm, yes he does, "Uncle Joe" needs all the protection he can get. Being the nominee of the 'Swamp Party' any accusations of wrong doing aimed at 'Uncle Joe' will be slung at Trump as abuse of power.

Butt.... what happens when Trump gets reelected??

The plot thickens. 😁
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2020/01/21 15:35:33

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Re: Trump... 2020/01/21 19:02:10 (permalink)
I didn't get to hear any of the presentation 'til I got home from work this evening, but I did catch a few minutes of Rush on the radio at lunch time. He said that Jay Sekulow(sp) and Cipoloni(sp), Trump's lawyers, just shredded Adam Schiff at the beginning this AM.
On another note, I fully expected Fox and Fox Business and CSpan to cover this, but apparently all the major stations were broadcasting the opening remarks and pre-empted all of their regular programming. My wife was especially pizzed that her soaps weren't on, and she's violently political, but she didn't want to hear the same crap we've been hearin' for months. I can only hope the 'Crats pizzed off a whole lot more of the public.
And finally, for BTDT, if you ever catch Tom Salou(sp) on The Five, or on Greg Gutfeld's Saturday night show, he does the greatest Adam Schiff impersonation you've ever seen. He too is a pencil neck, and can do the thing with his eyes that leaves no doubt he's impersonating Schiff. Check it out sometime. He's really good.

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