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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 09:58:23 (permalink)
Any example of the media painting al-Baghdadi as a martyr?  
 
As noted, the only thing "negative" that I have seen/heard/read, was the media responding to Trump trying to "sell" that this was the most important mission ever in the history of mankind.  As he does with everything.  It is tiring, and I fully agree with the media commenting on his speech. 
 
Just as I fully agree how CNN noted that Trump took a huge risk in giving them the green light.  He went off of the intelligence available of "we are pretty sure he is there".  Just as most intelligence trying to pinpoint details on the other side of the planet is.  If he wasn't there and they went in and killed a bunch of women and children as bystanders of a gunfight, then it could have been a disastrous situation.  If that happened, it would have "been on him" for giving the green light.  Likely something the Democrats would have pounced on.  The risk paid off, and he should be getting credit, as he is from any reports that I have seen.  But unlike any other president, he can't just leave it as a great win.  He has to promote it as the best win ever, and I bet will grow tired of the service dog getting any credit...
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 10:03:49 (permalink)
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P.S. Hows the fishing, able to get out?

Work had me in NJ last week.  Got a few evenings at IBSP, south of Sea Side Park.  Front side was really rough and not much going on.  Back side had schoolie stripers on the prowl at dusk.  First evening I got 10 with 4 of them coming as doubles.  Second evening I got 7 (no doubles).  Fish were between 15" and 20".  Most were taken on a Clarkspoon Chrome Jig (which did most damage for me at Emerald Isle in July - I'd recommend a few of those for your Gulf Shores box if Spanish mackerel are around - easy cast out and retrieve rather fast pace).  Got a few on some hand tied surf candies that I was using as a teaser.
 
Last few times out locally, it was slow.  I would assume things are possibly in fall patterns by now.  But highs in the 70s, likely isn't helping that.
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 10:16:06 (permalink)
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can you share what the "party that cares" has done besides skyrocket insurance rates?


Well we can start with passing the ACA.

20-24 million Americans (estimates vary) were able to get access to healthcare via (1) a Medicaid expansion and (2) the establishment of markets for which individuals could shop and buy plans.

It had an extremely popular provision that prevented insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions.

It banned lifetime coverage caps.

It prohibited insurance companies from dropping policyholders when they got sick

It established that premiums must be the same for everyone of a given age

Plus it did a lot more than that but I’m not gonna type it all out here because nobody will read it. Look up the ACA on Wikipedia if you want an objective non partisan description of what the act contains.

As for cost controls, the US has by far the highest per capita cost of healthcare in the world. Did the ACA solve that problem? No. But it didn’t create it either. Healthcare costs in the US have been growing for decades. That’s a consequence of a “for profit”, employer based insurance system.

Every democrat in the primary is talking about healthcare. ALOT. Some want a public option, some want single payer. Some of them have floated extremely detailed plans.

What’s Trumps plan? I dunno. As far as I can tell it’s “undo what Obama did and we will figure it out later”. It’s clearly not a priority.
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 10:39:44 (permalink)
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DarDy, I just watched a crash on FOX, caught on camera in 'WC' PA. Was that the crash you were involved in?

DAM........😲


I doubt it.


Strange, I'm trying to think of stupid stuff to say after reading your story and "wham" some dude takes out stopped cars on the news. Hell of a crash.

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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 10:49:55 (permalink)
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Any example of the media painting al-Baghdadi as a martyr?  
 
As noted, the only thing "negative" that I have seen/heard/read, was the media responding to Trump trying to "sell" that this was the most important mission ever in the history of mankind.  As he does with everything.  It is tiring, and I fully agree with the media commenting on his speech. 
 
Just as I fully agree how CNN noted that Trump took a huge risk in giving them the green light.  He went off of the intelligence available of "we are pretty sure he is there".  Just as most intelligence trying to pinpoint details on the other side of the planet is.  If he wasn't there and they went in and killed a bunch of women and children as bystanders of a gunfight, then it could have been a disastrous situation.  If that happened, it would have "been on him" for giving the green light.  Likely something the Democrats would have pounced on.  The risk paid off, and he should be getting credit, as he is from any reports that I have seen.  But unlike any other president, he can't just leave it as a great win.  He has to promote it as the best win ever, and I bet will grow tired of the service dog getting any credit...
 
 


I didn’t see it, but heard it on the radio, that the headline in the Washington Post was “ Scholar, Spiritual Leader, Dies at 48.” Of course, it was retracted.

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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 11:12:19 (permalink)
If you're already on socialized healthcare and you view this thread, raise your hands!  Be honest now.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 11:18:41 (permalink)
Looking forward to the “Zero Dark Thirty” treatment of the take-down of this terrorist. Wondering what effect the President’s decision to remove forces from Syria had on the mission. Did it jump-start it in some way? I’ve previously noted that his “teasing” the announcement peeved me and I stick by that....BUT, I have no problems with his graphic descriptions of what’s his names death and his taunting of Isis in general. Talk to them in terms they might understand. Now if only he could muster the courage to address Vlad in a similar fashion once in a while.

Hey, Here’s my strategy for Trump re-election success:

Be tough with your enemies and congenial with your allies.
Pretend that you are president of all Americans and not just “your people” or the “people who show up for me”
Put away your phone once in a while, Don’t tweet about being victimized, it projects WEAKNESS.
Learn to just say yes. Delegate decision making authority, relax, and go play golf. It will make him look very presidential.

What are the chances?
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 11:20:56 (permalink)
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I didn’t see it, but heard it on the radio, that the headline in the Washington Post was “ Scholar, Spiritual Leader, Dies at 48.” Of course, it was retracted.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/28/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-washington-post-austere-headline/2483340001/
 
Copy clipped from article - not my words.
 
Its original headline read, "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Islamic State’s 'terrorist-in-chief,' dies at 48." But it was later changed to "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, austere religious scholar at helm of Islamic State, dies at 48." 
As of Monday morning, the headline was "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, extremist leader of Islamic State, dies at 48."As noted later in the article, al-Baghdadi encouraged followers to commit acts of violence and terror. He was also perhaps the most wanted terrorist leader in the world and the highest ranking since the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011. A spokesperson for the paper, Kristine Coratti Kelly, later tweeted "Regarding our al-Baghdadi obituary, the headline should never have read that way and we changed it quickly."
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 11:25:44 (permalink)
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If you're already on socialized healthcare and you view this thread, raise your hands!  Be honest now.  




 
My wife and I have been on one of the marketplace plans in the past.  It sucks for someone in relatively good health.  Cheaper in the long run for a relatively healthy person to roll the dice and pay out of pocket prices, and use faith based cost sharing programs.
 
The provisions for pre existing conditions; lifetime limits; etc are great for those with chronic conditions though.  I will say that.  
 
 
The (un)Affordable (Obama don't) Care Act has had significant financial and employment impacts on my family, and continues to, as well as many other middle class families and small business owners I know that provide insurance plans for their employees.  
 
It wrecked what we had before it was enacted.  "If you like your plan you can keep it," was a big fat lie.
 
My kids are on CHIP.  Thankful for that program, but the administration of it is absolutely horrendous.  Help line operators that some businesses outsource to India are smarter and more helpful than the jokers that CHIP uses.  
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 11:35:25 (permalink)
I am currently on a employee provided plan that is good coverage wise but that consistently costs more each year.  
 
"If you like your plan you can keep it," was a big fat lie.
It may have been, obviously in your situation it was.  It didn't affect me.  Although this makes me think of E. Warren's line that she never met anyone who actually said they "liked" their health insurance plan.  
 
BTW...What is a "faith based cost sharing program"? 
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 11:44:30 (permalink)
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I didn’t see it, but heard it on the radio, that the headline in the Washington Post was “ Scholar, Spiritual Leader, Dies at 48.” Of course, it was retracted.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/28/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-washington-post-austere-headline/2483340001/
 
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Its original headline read, "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Islamic State’s 'terrorist-in-chief,' dies at 48." But it was later changed to "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, austere religious scholar at helm of Islamic State, dies at 48." 
As of Monday morning, the headline was "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, extremist leader of Islamic State, dies at 48."As noted later in the article, al-Baghdadi encouraged followers to commit acts of violence and terror. He was also perhaps the most wanted terrorist leader in the world and the highest ranking since the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011. A spokesperson for the paper, Kristine Coratti Kelly, later tweeted "Regarding our al-Baghdadi obituary, the headline should never have read that way and we changed it quickly."


In the past this would have been termed "poor editorial awareness of the impact of a headline".  Nowadays, it's "anti-American propaganda foisted upon 'we the people' by the liberal press"...my words.  It's a shame it's come to this.  Baghdadi's death should be something that Americans can collectively agree upon as clear progress towards our stated goals in the war on terror.  This is business.  It should be acknowledged, noted, and filed away, as we progress towards our stated goals in this war.   
 
It's now clearly political fodder.  We need to move past stuff like this.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 11:57:04 (permalink)
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 It wrecked what we had before it was enacted.  


We sure like to look at the pre ACA days through rose colored glasses. As noted, those were the days when insurance companies could deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, and literally kick you off your plan for no reason whatsoever if they decided that providing coverage for you was no longer cost effective.

Maybe the reason that insurance got more expensive after the ACA is because the law forced insurance companies to start actually paying for treatment instead of just scamming people? And it’s almost as if having a billion dollar “for profit” healthcare insurance industry, whose only function is to make money while serving as a barrier to patient care, is a fundamentally flawed system?
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 12:04:30 (permalink)
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BTW...What is a "faith based cost sharing program"? 




There are a handful of 'em out there.  At least reputable ones anyway, and we were part of one several months that cost about $450 a month for our family of 5.  
 
The one we belonged to was a Christian non-profit, and belonging was based on shared Christian beliefs and a commitment to living according to Biblical principles, providing proof that you were an active member of a church, abstaining from drugs and tobacco, etc.  
 
Everybody pays in at a set rate, and when you have a need for medical care, you arrange to pay the cash price.  You're encouraged to "shop" a little bit if possible for lower cost care, but when a bill hit a certain amount (I believe it was $500 but can't remember for sure), you'd submit your bills, they'd cut you a check, and you pay the provider directly.  
 
There were some reasonable limits on paying for care of pre existing conditions, but you were not excluded because of them.  
 
We didn't have to use it fortunately, but it was a nice safety net while we were without regular insurance.  I know a few families who have used those for years and it has worked out very well for them.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 12:09:23 (permalink)
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BTW...What is a "faith based cost sharing program"? 




There are a handful of 'em out there.  At least reputable ones anyway, and we were part of one several months that cost about $450 a month for our family of 5.  
 
The one we belonged to was a Christian non-profit, and belonging was based on shared Christian beliefs and a commitment to living according to Biblical principles, providing proof that you were an active member of a church, abstaining from drugs and tobacco, etc.  
 
Everybody pays in at a set rate, and when you have a need for medical care, you arrange to pay the cash price.  You're encouraged to "shop" a little bit if possible for lower cost care, but when a bill hit a certain amount (I believe it was $500 but can't remember for sure), you'd submit your bills, they'd cut you a check, and you pay the provider directly.  
 
There were some reasonable limits on paying for care of pre existing conditions, but you were not excluded because of them.  
 
We didn't have to use it fortunately, but it was a nice safety net while we were without regular insurance.  I know a few families who have used those for years and it has worked out very well for them.  


Interesting, sounds like it would be a great option, at a reduced rate, for young, healthy individuals who rarely use their insurance but want some semblance of a safety net.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 13:06:43 (permalink)
Health care is where I veer off of my conservative view points. One reason that healthcare is so expensive is because, in many, maybe most cases, somebody else is paying for it. It is said that 153 million Americans have health insurance, and I don't know what the percentage of those people have it provided by their employers, but it has to be a lot. It is one of those perks that employers provide in order to attract and keep good employees. It's my belief that if every individual had to shop for health care, competition would lower the rates markedly. But I think that the insurance rates are grossly inflated. When the top ten insurance companies in the US have a majority of politicians in their pockets, they annually raise rates and have you feelin' bad about givin' them the money. An insurance company that reports 250 billion in profits tells the story that insurance is entirely too costly. Yeah, I know that 401Ks and IRAs are invested in those companies, and share holders are squeezin' the CEO's balls to increase profits and dividends, but huge profits like that are obscene!
Every year under the ACA, private insurance rates went up, beginning the first year with about a 30% increase in rates.10 to 20% per year for each year after. When Republicans controlled the house (and before Trump), they were negotiating health care. The Congress was inundated with the special interest hordes giving them the advice on how to proceed. Believe me, it was not in the interest of helping the common folk with affordable rates. At one point, Congress was even talkin' about givin' the insurance companies 200 billion tax payer dollars to help them out. This; after they'd already had 6 or 7 rate increases. I was ready to scream. I believe if ever the Socialists get the single payer (government) thing past Congress, the only way it could possibly work is with absolute set prices, without regard to the area of the country. For example, an appendectomy should cost no more in NYC, Chicago, or LA than it does in Biloxi, Mississippi or Helena, Montana. And ya'll know that ain't gonna happen. Even if they instituted an Insurance Commission that was on a par with something like the PUC, the PACs and special interests would get to them. 
One more thing, and it's kinda like corporate taxes. For tax purposes, a corporation can post a profit of say, 100 million dollars. But sales are increasing, so for the next year, they project to have 140 million in profit but the year turned out to be not quite that good. They only had a 115 million profit, ie: they just lost 35 million, tax deductible, of course.
I think the insurance industry does the same thing. And it ****es me off to no end.

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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 13:12:18 (permalink)
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I didn’t see it, but heard it on the radio, that the headline in the Washington Post was “ Scholar, Spiritual Leader, Dies at 48.” Of course, it was retracted.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/28/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-washington-post-austere-headline/2483340001/
 
Copy clipped from article - not my words.
 
Its original headline read, "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Islamic State’s 'terrorist-in-chief,' dies at 48." But it was later changed to "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, austere religious scholar at helm of Islamic State, dies at 48." 
As of Monday morning, the headline was "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, extremist leader of Islamic State, dies at 48."As noted later in the article, al-Baghdadi encouraged followers to commit acts of violence and terror. He was also perhaps the most wanted terrorist leader in the world and the highest ranking since the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011. A spokesperson for the paper, Kristine Coratti Kelly, later tweeted "Regarding our al-Baghdadi obituary, the headline should never have read that way and we changed it quickly."



As has been the trend of anti-America news media.... cut deeply and expect people to believe an apology.

Pork, just the fact the news media is so negative against Trump, sends a signal to ISIS giving the impression that Trump was totally wrong.

You don't think the terrorist aren't watching and using the negative reactions of US media to bolster their agenda? Hell why should our enemies fear America when our own media makes it appear we Americans, don't stand behind our POTUS.

I have reason to believe the remarks used by Trump, in the killing of al-Baghdadi were intended as a form of 'morale breaker'. However the media, so full of hate fails to support Trump in any shape or form, lending to false impressions giving our enemy celebration.

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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 13:20:00 (permalink)
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 It wrecked what we had before it was enacted.  


We sure like to look at the pre ACA days through rose colored glasses. As noted, those were the days when insurance companies could deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, and literally kick you off your plan for no reason whatsoever if they decided that providing coverage for you was no longer cost effective.

Maybe the reason that insurance got more expensive after the ACA is because the law forced insurance companies to start actually paying for treatment instead of just scamming people? And it’s almost as if having a billion dollar “for profit” healthcare insurance industry, whose only function is to make money while serving as a barrier to patient care, is a fundamentally flawed system?


Didn't take "ObamaCare" to make those changes. Coulda/shoulda been done years ago.

What ObamaCare did do is prevent patients from keeping their family doctors.

Increased healthcare drastically in many states soon to be followed by other states.

Forced people (by threat of the IRS) to buy something they neither wanted or needed.

But none of those things involved me directly.


What.........? WAIT somebody already mentioned these "ObamaCare" negatives wellllll helllll leave it to me to be a day late.

Happy Halloween Everyone.🎃


P.S. Pork I got the secrete fishing report. Talk later. 👻
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2019/10/29 13:38:11

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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 13:28:32 (permalink)
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And it’s almost as if having a billion dollar “for profit” healthcare insurance industry, whose only function is to make money while serving as a barrier to patient care, is a fundamentally flawed system?

You hit the nail on the head there.  ACA made the insurance industries the winner, which makes us the loser.  Only way that it would really work, is if they put a limit on profits that could be made.  Which obviously, isn't going to happen when those same companies are financing many in that and the other political party.  If you cut the insurance companies out of the equation, costs would be much lower.
 
Somehow our government already pays the most of any developed country per capita on health coverage.  Most of those countries have universal health coverage.  Most of those countries have a higher life expectancy and overall better health.  Their politicians are not being financed by the pharmaceutical, health care providers or insurance companies.  
 
If you take big business in general out of US politics, it would solve many of our biggest problems, including health care.  I was very hopeful that is what Trump meant by drain the swamp.  It was very clear, very early on, that he was going to put what is most wrong about our government, into hyper-drive.
 
https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-of-healthcare-countries-ranked-2019-3
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 13:37:01 (permalink)
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Health care is where I veer off of my conservative view points. One reason that healthcare is so expensive is because, in many, maybe most cases, somebody else is paying for it. It is said that 153 million Americans have health insurance, and I don't know what the percentage of those people have it provided by their employers, but it has to be a lot. It is one of those perks that employers provide in order to attract and keep good employees. It's my belief that if every individual had to shop for health care, competition would lower the rates markedly. But I think that the insurance rates are grossly inflated. When the top ten insurance companies in the US have a majority of politicians in their pockets, they annually raise rates and have you feelin' bad about givin' them the money. An insurance company that reports 250 billion in profits tells the story that insurance is entirely too costly. Yeah, I know that 401Ks and IRAs are invested in those companies, and share holders are squeezin' the CEO's balls to increase profits and dividends, but huge profits like that are obscene!
Every year under the ACA, private insurance rates went up, beginning the first year with about a 30% increase in rates.10 to 20% per year for each year after. When Republicans controlled the house (and before Trump), they were negotiating health care. The Congress was inundated with the special interest hordes giving them the advice on how to proceed. Believe me, it was not in the interest of helping the common folk with affordable rates. At one point, Congress was even talkin' about givin' the insurance companies 200 billion tax payer dollars to help them out. This; after they'd already had 6 or 7 rate increases. I was ready to scream. I believe if ever the Socialists get the single payer (government) thing past Congress, the only way it could possibly work is with absolute set prices, without regard to the area of the country. For example, an appendectomy should cost no more in NYC, Chicago, or LA than it does in Biloxi, Mississippi or Helena, Montana. And ya'll know that ain't gonna happen. Even if they instituted an Insurance Commission that was on a par with something like the PUC, the PACs and special interests would get to them. 
One more thing, and it's kinda like corporate taxes. For tax purposes, a corporation can post a profit of say, 100 million dollars. But sales are increasing, so for the next year, they project to have 140 million in profit but the year turned out to be not quite that good. They only had a 115 million profit, ie: they just lost 35 million, tax deductible, of course.
I think the insurance industry does the same thing. And it ****es me off to no end.


Excellent post EMitch.  Makes me feel a little lest socialist in my beliefs on health care!  
 
I personally have nothing against other industries making money.  Supply & demand.  But I don't think health care should be part of that, especially when we are already paying more than any other country, and still have to pay out of pocket after???
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 14:10:12 (permalink)
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As has been the trend of anti-America news media.... cut deeply and expect people to believe an apology.

Pork, just the fact the news media is so negative against Trump, sends a signal to ISIS giving the impression that Trump was totally wrong.

You don't think the terrorist aren't watching and using the negative reactions of US media to bolster their agenda? Hell why should our enemies fear America when our own media makes it appear we Americans, don't stand behind our POTUS.

I have reason to believe the remarks used by Trump, in the killing of al-Baghdadi were intended as a form of 'morale breaker'. However the media, so full of hate fails to support Trump in any shape or form, lending to false impressions giving our enemy celebration.

90% of Trump's negative media coverage is self inflicted.  Everything that he does is "the best" or whatever, even when it clearly isn't.  Whether it is intended, it makes him a habitual liar, and he is called out for it.  If he didn't do this, most of the negative media coverage would go away.  Him battling the media only exacerbates the issue.  He invites this onto himself to look like the victim.  Do a little research on authoritarian tactics and you would see that he is following the playbook almost to the T.  I know you won't, but if you ever want to know why so many want him out or have negative opinion of him, this would be high on the list.
 
The media isn't making it appear we Americans, don't stand behind our POTUS.  Polls from Trump's own propaganda source, FoxNews, stating over 55% of Americans want Trump removed from office, give our enemies a good look of what Americans really think.    
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 14:11:35 (permalink)
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post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2019/10/30 14:19:41

Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~
 
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 14:21:52 (permalink)
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And it’s almost as if having a billion dollar “for profit” healthcare insurance industry, whose only function is to make money while serving as a barrier to patient care, is a fundamentally flawed system?

You hit the nail on the head there.  ACA made the insurance industries the winner,


The ACA didn’t make them the winner. They were already winning long before the ACA. And now they are winning after the ACA too. And they will continue to win as long as they are in the game. The same is true for big pharmaceutical companies. The fact that people don’t recognize them as the real villains is astonishing to me.

This is how a “for profit” insurance based system looks. It’s expensive, and inefficient, and corrupt.
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 14:35:53 (permalink)
The ACA forced more business, which is what I was referring to.  
 
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It’s expensive, and inefficient, and corrupt.



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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 14:48:31 (permalink)
I said in the beginning Pork, to be successfull Trump will control the media.

The media can't deal with it and in fact know, they will lose ground (big time) when he is re-elected and the GOP regains control of the house. Trump has hinted numerous times, no POTUS in the future, should ever be subject to this type of treatment ever again.

As for his lies and other said to be negative actions, merely the anti-American press trying to impose their thoughts, on the entire world.

I've said before, Trump needs to use a speech writer and some coaching with delivery of his speeches but I'll never disagree with his use of any media outlet where the anti-Media can not twist his words "before" the public can hear/read what he actually said.

GOOD GRIEF, look what the media is doing over this phone call to Ukraine. We have an actual transcript and the media bends over backwards trying to convince us otherwise.

You mention Fox Polls.... why specifcally "Fox" I have no idea because most if not all "polls" say the same. Which is whatever the pollster wishes the outcome to be. May I remind you (in a friendly sense) never bullchyt a bullchyter.... we both know how dependable polls are, as well as, munipulated to aid the reason for the poll.

Hell, ya sure don't want to fluff a candidates feathers too much without fear, of overdoing and giving voters reason "not" to come out and vote.

Back to the GOP retaking the house, I project a take over so great, it will be years well beyond 2020 before the Dems regain control over any part of congress.

For right now, my wish for the future, politicians like Adam Schiff and his co-horts be made an example of, as a reminder to any US Politician who thinks they control our US Goverment.

P.S If I may recommend, (in a friendly sense) get the hell off this board and get on the water. Life is too short and besides, Winter's Coming.

P.P.S. Good luck and tight lines.

Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~
 
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 15:41:42 (permalink)
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P.S If I may recommend, (in a friendly sense) get the hell off this board and get on the water. Life is too short and besides, Winter's Coming.

P.P.S. Good luck and tight lines.



Been out on the water the past 3 Sundays and yesterday. Can't figure it out. Places where we've perennially caught walleyes on the river are devoid of fish. We've trolled and picked up a walleye here and there, and then we've tossed jigs but to no avail. Yesterday my son did manage an 18" walleye just below Lock 5 on a jig, but it was our first fish in 4 hours. Like I said, can't figure it out. Those places don't move, but the fish sure do.

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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 15:52:48 (permalink)
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P.S If I may recommend, (in a friendly sense) get the hell off this board and get on the water. Life is too short and besides, Winter's Coming.

P.P.S. Good luck and tight lines.



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Have 2 steelhead trips in already, and another one coming up this weekend for the big boy's 16th birthday.  Probably at least one, and maybe 2, more through November, especially if these knuckleheads of mine can whack a buck over the next two weeks.  
 
Got a decent mixed bag at Arthur over the weekend.  Not a lot of anything, but a little of everything - a wiper, a walleye, largemouth, crappies, gills and a perch.  A few fish were dumb.  Most of em were stupid.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 17:44:49 (permalink)
Tried to practice what I preach, jumped in the wife's car and headed to 'Orchard' launch.

On my way the voices told me "stupid is as stupid does.

Forgot a fishing pole.😬

Geez, I can't be expected to remember everything. Last time I wet a line was last May.... 2018.


hehhh heh..... shhhh, did wet my panty's, a few times since then.🤔
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2019/10/29 17:51:48

Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~
 
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 18:02:13 (permalink)
Bout time we talked fishin here- finally got to something important.
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 18:54:06 (permalink)
Shhhhhhh....... they're listening and if they hear we common folk enjoy angling, we will be paying a tax on every fish caught.

Everyone except for me cause I don't catch any stupid fish but the gooder part, younz will have to give me sum younz fish..... for free.

Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~
 
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/10/29 19:12:33 (permalink)
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can you share what the "party that cares" has done besides skyrocket insurance rates?




As for cost controls, the US has by far the highest per capita cost of healthcare in the world. Did the ACA solve that problem? No.



 sure didn't
Matter of fact, they bold faced lied to us about that part
and KNEW they were lying 
 
you brought up rising costs of ed and heath care
I asked what they've proposed to address that
You want to tell me about the ACA ...but not what they've done to address skyrocketing costs of ed and health care
 
That's what I'm asking
Not how doubling rates for less coverage on 93% of the population has helped subsidize the 7% without coverage
(going by 20mil not covered in a population of 325mil)
 
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