Has anyone read this about Cabelas?

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2008/01/25 23:24:45 (permalink)

Has anyone read this about Cabelas?

I know it is a long read. I just wondered if there was any truth to these articles? I found it on another website.
 
Like many other outdoors loving individuals who visit this website, I suspect there are many who have likely invested a small fortune on fishing, hunting and other outdoors related merchandise through retail giant Cabela's. However, after you read the following article you may well find yourself having reservations about making future purchases at Cabela's which may well contribute to sportmen & sportswomen and children losing access to our country's cherished wildlife resources:

Tony Dean Outdoors Issues Bill Schneider on Cabela's land marketing scheme

By Bill Schneider, 11-22-07

It has taken Cabela’s a long time to move into Montana, but now that iconic retailer of hunting and fishing goods finally has a stake in the sand down in Billings, it might be wondering if it was the right decision.

Cabela’s has become accustomed to being revered by hunters and anglers, but in Montana, many sportsmen and women now have the opposite attitude, disdain--and they’re sending back their catalogs with promises never to spend another penny there. When opening a new store, Cabela’s expects the local hunters and anglers who have lusted for years to have a store nearby to more or less knell on the doorstep, but if Cabela’s doesn’t stop endorsing the loss of public hunting, the corporate VIPs might see people picketing the Billings store opening with anti-Cabela’s placards.

Here’s the rub. Back in June 2004, Cabela’s went public and is now listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol CAB. Such initial public offerings are always accompanied by plans on how to use all the new money for aggressive growth. And sure enough, Cabela’s launched into a major expansion, which primarily involving more and faster store openings.

No problem so far, the more and faster the better as far as I’m concerned, but a small part of that growth plan, a real estate marketing division called Cabela’s Trophy Properties might hurt Cabela’s bottom line and stock performance (already down to about half of its opening price) more than it helps. In Montana, the ruckus over the real estate division has already tarnished the best brand in the business, and it looks like it could get much worse and spread to other states.

I personally don’t want to see this happen because I’m one of those who grew up revering Cabela’s. I’d probably live in a Cabela’s store if they’d let me--at least for a few days until I had to leave to file for bankruptcy. And I bet the company’s brass and shareholders want to prevent damage to their brand even more than I do. If so, they need to act quickly and decisively instead of doing what they’re doing right now, which is seriously underestimating the potential of the problem.

The controversy erupted when Cabela’s Trophy Properties opened an office in Montana and started listing what the Montana Wildlife Federation (MWF), the state’s largest group of hunters and anglers, calls “traditional public hunting properties.” Those listings shot up a warning flare to the MWF’s 7,000 members, and the result was a strongly worded letter from executive director Craig Sharpe going to Dennis Highby, president & CEO of Cabela’s. In the letter, Sharpe warned of a “strong response” to the real estate marketing, such as mailing back or burning catalogs, unless Cabela’s addressed the group’s concerns and agreed to a meeting to discuss the issues.

A flash point in the controversy was the sale, planned subdivision and eventual closure to public hunting of two large ranches in central Montana by Cabela’s Trophy Properties. “Is this in line with Cabela’s mission?” Sharpe asked in his letter.

Following Sharpe’s letter and several others sent to Cabela’s by MWF members, two of Montana’s premier outdoor writers, Mike Babcock at the Great Falls Tribune and Mark Henckel of the Billings Gazette wrote detailed articles on the debate. Neither article painted a rosy picture of Cabela’s real estate deals and ended up turning up the heat another notch.

Then, and typical of large corporations that don’t really understand damage control, Cabela’s managed to make it worse with its responses. First, Cabela’s spokesperson David Draper implied that this was no big deal and told Montana hunters they shouldn’t fret because the properties were selling to sportsmen who are “probably going to make the land better,” a bonehead statement that Sharpe called “insulting.”

Throwing more gas on the fire was the corporate response that, in essence, tried to dodge the bullet by saying we aren’t really in the real estate business, just the real estate marketing business.

Here’s how that works. Cabela’s doesn’t actually buy and sell land, Instead, it licenses its brand to local real estate brokers and allows them to market prime hunting and fishing properties under the banner of Cabela’s Trophy Properties. The brokers pay Cabela’s for the license, probably with a license fee and a slice of the commission on property sales.

Cabela’s third response was the old “can’t we just get along” comeback, which was in the form of an invitation for the MWF board to an exclusive VIP reception at the Billings store opening and agreeing to send out a packet of information to buyers of “trophy properties” suggesting they do good things for wildlife.

Well, we all hope buyers do good things like leave land open to public hunting and file for a conservation easement preventing future subdivision and that the board members has a jolly time at the reception, but that response doesn’t address what concerns Montana hunters i.e. Cabela’s promoting the loss of public hunting. In fact, the tokenism worsened the problem.

Sorry, Cabela’s, these responses get zero traction. Licensing your name to realtors who use it to market property definitely makes you part of the real estate biz--and not just any real estate biz, but the worst kind.

I doubt anybody has a problem with Cabela’s buying 44 acres down on the edge of Billings and then selling off a chuck or two to Burger King or Day’s Inn. But using a nation’s top hunting and fishing brand to promote the sale, subdivision and closure to public access of prime hunting land is quite a different real estate deal. It is, in fact, exactly opposite of everything Cabela’s stands for, and you’d think the company would be trying to distance itself as far and as fast as possible from it.

Earth to Cabela’s. You’re using your brand to promote the loss of public hunting on private land in large sections of Montana and other sates. This could destroy your brand, and you really don’t want to do this.

Getting out of real estate can’t be that tough a decision for a company with $2 billion in sales, very little of it from real estate marketing. I perused the annual report and couldn’t even find the words “Cabela’s Trophy Properties,” let alone anything about the millions Cabela’s makes in license fees and commissions--because, of course, this is probably a microscopic part of the giant’s revenue.

It has potential, though--potential to cost Cabela’s fifty dollars in retail sales for every dollar earned in license fee income.

So, I hope President & CEO Highby sees this column, recognizes the real estate division as a major (but still correctable) mistake, and decides get out of the real estate business faster than he can say it.

If you’d like to support me in encouraging, Cabela’s to rapidly get back on course, here’s a couple of phone numbers that might work, 308-254-5505 and 1-800-237-4444, or you can go to the customer service email page and send your comments in writing. In the meantime, until we get a better response, keep sending those catalogs back. Cabela’s definitely understands what that means.


 
 
Here is the followup article:
 
It would seem that Cabela's is indeed feeling some serious heat given the tone of this piece I've come across:

    Cabela’s gives FWP $50,000 By EVE BYRON - Independent Record - 01/18/08 Fish, Wildlife and Parks Commission members cautiously accepted a $50,000 check Thursday from Cabela’s, as the outdoor retailing giant tried to smooth ruffled feathers over its listing of “trophy” properties for sale in Montana.

    It’s the latest move in a flap that began in the summer, when some Montana Wildlife Federation members sent back their Cabela’s catalogs and called for a boycott because they believe the Nebraska-based company is involved in selling key wildlife habitat and properties that are subsequently being closed to hunters and anglers.

    The action came after Cabela’s started its Trophy Properties Web site, which showcases high-end recreational parcels for sale or lease around the globe.

    Some of the properties touted their exclusive access to public lands — a bone of contention among Montanans being gated off from traditional hunting or fishing grounds.

    Other lands were marketed as being ripe for subdivisions.

    Recently, Cabela’s changed its marketing approach and is now committed to promoting access and educating potential buyers about access issues, Mike Callahan, Cabela’s senior vice president, told the commission before presenting the check.

    The company also will drop references to subdivisions, he said.

    Callahan added that the company will donate $12,000 each year for the next five years to FWP, with the only stipulation that the money be used for public access programs in Montana.

    Commission member Shane Colton worried that accepting the money might look like Cabela’s “came in and bought the commission off,” and said Montanans felt betrayed by Cabela’s.

    â€œWe thought you were one of us when it came to access issues, then we see the properties you’re marketing as exclusive and private access to public lands,” Colton said.

    But he noted the money wasn’t solicited, and Cabela’s future actions will be closely watched by Montanans.

    â€œCabela’s understands the public and commission will scrutinize their representations and follow through regardless of the money,” Colton said after the meeting. “It’s a nice gesture and appreciated, but it will not change our scrutiny.”

    Commission Chairman Steve Doherty added that FWP accepts donations all the time from organizations, and the money often can be used as matching funds for government grants.

    â€œYou don’t look a gift horse in the mouth,” Doherty said.

    Cabela’s new attitude came about after high-level executives “broke away during one of our busiest times of year” to fly to Montana in December and discuss concerns with MWF and FWP representatives, Callahan said.

    They also talked about the state’s block management program, in which farmers and ranchers are paid by FWP to provide free public access to hunters.

    â€œWe came away impressed and appreciative of how well the program is managed,” said Callahan, who noted that he grew up in Red Lodge and attended a three-room school near Big Fork.

    â€œIt became clear to us that Montana’s public access program and block management should be the model for public access planning nationwide, and we would like to promote that on our trophy property Web site.”

    He then offered the check, calling it a “gesture of good faith and good will, and with the intent of becoming a contributing member of the business community, and an advocate and supporter of sportsmen and women in Montana.”

    Cabela’s is opening its only Montana store in Billings later this year.

    Chris Marchion, MWF board president, said they were frustrated by the initial dialogue with Cabela’s, but it has evolved into “frank and sincere” discussions.

    â€œOne thing this has done is shone a really bright spotlight on the commercialization and privatization of hunting opportunities in Montana,” Marchion said. “They’re not going to resolve the issue for us … but I commend them for the direction in which they’re heading.”

    MWF member Bill Schneider, who’s been active in the Cabela’s dispute, said he thinks the “jury is still out” over Cabela’s real estate activities, and that with hundreds of brokers and thousands of real estate agents working on sales, Cabela’s will have little control over access or subdivision issues.

    And while he thinks Cabela’s was surprised by, and is taking very seriously, the outcry over its real estate practices, he thinks the issue is far from over.

    â€œPeople are just waiting to see if they walk the talk,” Schneider said. “Cabela’s is flirting with disaster here, in my opinion. This could easily move to other states and cause a major revolt.”


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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/25 23:36:09 (permalink)
    wow and i read the whole thing ;)
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 02:32:44 (permalink)
    beyound that article.....well Cabelas service isnt that great , but I dealt with them alot in the past....till... the other day when I placed my order thru Fish USA, fastest service by far, better then the other giant bass pro also, so would I encourage you to skip Cabelas , yes, order thru Fish USA...hell yes

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 09:09:07 (permalink)
    This does not surprise me.  It is sad.  To be honest, I have not purchased hardly anything from Cabelas for quite awhile.

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 09:26:19 (permalink)
    I remember when Cabela's was just a small mail order co.  Service was much better and products were not overpriced like now days.  In my opinion, Cabela's is the Wal-Mart of the sportsman's world.  They sure do carry it all though.

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 10:36:02 (permalink)
    You knew it was only a matter of time before a BIG outfit like Cabela's would get involved in the
    outdoor real-estate market. Once again, the 'working man' pays for it all.
    My question w/ Cabela's growth spurt has been in relation to the number of hunters and fisherpeople who are declining every year, in every state. The numbers that leave the outdoor pursuits are not being replaced, in the same numbers, by the younger generation. Who the hell is going to buy all these outdoor products when there are less and less people hunting and fishing. I think Cabela's has bit off more than it can chew. Just my 2 cents.
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 10:39:51 (permalink)
    "I have not purchased hardly anything..."  Scratching head...so what does that really mean?   lol
     
    Just messin with ya' Bug - real harm meant.  That sentence just scrambled in my mind - I guess i grade too many papers.  Have a good day.
     
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 10:58:34 (permalink)
    This is much worse for the sportsman, and heck, for the common outdoors person for that matter, than anything WalMart does.  In fact, as much as WallyWorld gets trashed, they aren't really that bad unless you've signed on the dotted line with them.  That's where it gets bad.  They'll suck the life out of you and your company if you do.  As for killing Mom and Pop stores, well, times change and if you can't adapt, then you become part of "the good old days" and vanish.  What Cabelas has done is damaging in so many more ways.  On top of that, their prices aren't that great, either.  I use them as a starting point for product research, and haven't sent them a dime in over a decade.  I'm pretty sure that trend will continue.

    Wasn't it much better when there was only one store, so far away that it was almost a legend and topic of sportsman's fantasies.  The catalogs were like porn for the hunter and fisherman.  Except with the catalogs, all it took was a check in the mail, and you could have any delight offered in those pages.  I guess that notion is where the land acquisitions came in.  "I don't just want the treestand, I want the tree and the forest, too."

    Then again, like the moms and pops, times change, and "the good old days" seem like you just experienced them.  I tell the children, "Get good grades, make good friends, and get a good job.  That way, you can afford to do whatever you really want to, because you never know who is going to own what someday."  It doesn't make it right, but I'm afraid it will be reality. 

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 12:38:32 (permalink)
    Orvis, too, have been doing the same.
    Pay to play, will be the motto as more people want more for themselves.
    This of course will be mute if the country falls further into recession. The have's ****ing for losses have been petitioning both houses to feed them more with the checks that are supposed to be coming out in May. What a farce. Let the rich feel a little pain the have not's have been feeling since their jobs went to the Far East. Please don't dumb me down.
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 12:45:49 (permalink)
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 13:17:56 (permalink)
    So what is the diffrence between Cabela's doing what they are doing and Developers buying properties and putting up expensive houses?  I witnessed those woods being destroyed by development for quite awhile.  Bottom line - lost opportunities on both sides. Can someone please clarify for me....

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 13:23:35 (permalink)
    There is a BIG difference between developement, and the marketing of exclusive hunting & fishing rights.

    Get Informed, Get Involved, And Make A Difference.

    Step Up, or Step Aside


    The next time you say "Somebody should do something", remember that YOU are somebody.

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 13:27:03 (permalink)
    When I get on line early in the morning before my brain has decided to wake up, "stuff" just flows from the fingers.....    Unfortunately, without the edit function working, rather strange sentence constructions find their way onto the forum...
     
    As for pay to play, the reality is this type of thing will only increase.  Most people in US today have no significant connection to the land.  With the decline in family farms and the increase in corporate agriculture, you will see less land to hunt and fish and more "sportsman's paradises" cropping up.  It is a sad to think our rich heritage is being sold out to the highest bidder. 
     

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 13:27:23 (permalink)
    Really now...so it is better to totally eliminate an opportunity than it is to keep opportunity but in a limited basis?  Sorry Spoon, i would normally agree with you most of the time, but lost means gone.  At least with Cabela's, there is a chance to get back.  Development is just as greedy as limiting opportunity.
     
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 13:29:15 (permalink)
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 13:32:50 (permalink)
    God Bless America and Capitalism.
     
    This is our country.....
     
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 13:33:00 (permalink)
    Developement CAN be greedy, but it often adresses a NEED. Housing, business growth, the extention of infrastructure often produce a NEED for developement. Exclusive sporting privileges, are a desire, NOT a need.

    Get Informed, Get Involved, And Make A Difference.

    Step Up, or Step Aside


    The next time you say "Somebody should do something", remember that YOU are somebody.

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 13:41:43 (permalink)
    Show me some evidence that the Erie region saw enough growth to warrant the develpment?  Could it be that the city folk just wanted to move away from the city?  That is a whole different ball of wax.  That is more of a want than a need.  If you look closely at the data, you would note that people are leaving the region. 

    Someone told me that there was some lost fishing areas around there development) as well.  We all still warm and fuzzy?

    Doc
    post edited by Grendel - 2008/01/26 13:49:55

    The strength of a person isn't measured by the muscle in their arm or how tall they stand, but rather, by the amount of knowledge and area of versatility they can cover. CM ~ 1987

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 14:14:11 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: swinger

    http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html


    That backs up my point exactly.  Don't do business with them.  It will destroy you quicker and more effectively than if you modify your own business practices.  Sign with the Devil, you're sure to get burned.  Do your best to avoid the Devil, you've at least got a fighting chance of surviving.  If Wal Mart were really as bad as many people make them out to be, there would be no free trade or competition at all.  It would be Wal World (as much as their execs may wish for it).
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 14:16:08 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Grendel

    So what is the diffrence between Cabela's doing what they are doing and Dan buying properties and putting up expensive houses?  I witnessed those woods being destroyed by development for quite awhile.  Bottom line - lost opportunities on both sides. Can someone please clarify for me....

    Doc


    If you are directing this at me, I've got to say I really don't know anything about what you are mentioning.  Please clarify.
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 14:27:18 (permalink)
    No TT - not directing it at you at all.  Just an open question wanting to know the difference between limited opportunity and eliminating opportunity entirely (hunting in this case).  As you can probably guess, I am not one for destroying woods for houses that the normal joe cannot afford.  There is this development in DuBois that for all intents and purposes is a gated community.  Never seen so many deer in one area.  They do not allow hunting, but yet, complain about the damage they do to their property. 
     
    I guess i am stuck on the "need" and "want" debate started on another thread. 
     
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 14:30:22 (permalink)
    I’ve typed this before and I’ll type it again… There is nothing new here really, the world has been moving this was since well before the industrial revolution. 
     
    At one point this continent was almost totally covered with trees and the buffalo wandered from top to bottom in an ocean of grass.  Native Americans lived a nomadic lifestyle that they lived for thousands of years.  Now how many old growth forests still stand, where are the buffalo and when was the last time anyone say the seasonal movements of a native family group?
     
    It’s not them, it’s us…  We drive the interstate highway system to get where we want to hunt and fish.  All of the support and infrastructure needed to build the countries highway system helped destroy a lifestyle that came before.  Trees had to come down to build my home.  I go to the shore every summer and take a look at where the locals live in the shore towns today, not at the shore because my and other’s dollars have inflated costs in that area to the extent that generational homes are lost and lifestyles are gone forever.
     
    The highway systems and state moneys that allow the Erie steelhead program to exist bring crowds that rival an amusement park in summer and the local 60+ guy wonders where the quiet fishing of his youth went.
     
    I was reading the Fly Sop catalogue this morning and you can get almost exclusive fishing on Kamchatka waters for a mere $5000 per person for a week.  Did you know that they discovered those waters?  Yea no one was ever there before and you can have it for a price…  I’m sure that there are no people native to those areas.
     
    We all want $12 jeans and 20% return on our investment but we fall apart when that “PROGRESS” infringes on our life.  We want a fishing rod that costs $20 and has a no questions asked warranty but we complain about the rod not being made in America and jobs going over seas…
     
    We, including me, are a funny bunch of people that seem to look at things through very jaded glasses.
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 14:37:58 (permalink)
    Was there yesterday Anadromous.  Starting to learn my way around the area a bit more.  Stopped at Grices' this morning - a person could get lost in there.  Had to leave else I have no cash for food!
     
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 14:40:14 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: CR500

    I’ve typed this before and I’ll type it again… There is nothing new here really, the world has been moving this was since well before the industrial revolution. 
     
    At one point this continent was almost totally covered with trees and the buffalo wandered from top to bottom in an ocean of grass.  Native Americans lived a nomadic lifestyle that they lived for thousands of years.  Now how many old growth forests still stand, where are the buffalo and when was the last time anyone say the seasonal movements of a native family group?
     
    It’s not them, it’s us…  We drive the interstate highway system to get where we want to hunt and fish.  All of the support and infrastructure needed to build the countries highway system helped destroy a lifestyle that came before.  Trees had to come down to build my home.  I go to the shore every summer and take a look at where the locals live in the shore towns today, not at the shore because my and other’s dollars have inflated costs in that area to the extent that generational homes are lost and lifestyles are gone forever.
     
    The highway systems and state moneys that allow the Erie steelhead program to exist bring crowds that rival an amusement park in summer and the local 60+ guy wonders where the quiet fishing of his youth went.
     
    I was reading the Fly Sop catalogue this morning and you can get almost exclusive fishing on Kamchatka waters for a mere $5000 per person for a week.  Did you know that they discovered those waters?  Yea no one was ever there before and you can have it for a price…  I’m sure that there are no people native to those areas.
     
    We all want $12 jeans and 20% return on our investment but we fall apart when that “PROGRESS” infringes on our life.  We want a fishing rod that costs $20 and has a no questions asked warranty but we complain about the rod not being made in America and jobs going over seas…
     
    We, including me, are a funny bunch of people that seem to look at things through very jaded glasses.

     
    Ya' know CR500, you are on target.  I liken it to the Exclusionary Rule.  It protects all of society, yet, we know that a few will "fall through the cracks" because of a mistake on the part of the CRJS.  We all love it when it protects us all, yet, hate it when it bites us on the buttocks.
     
    Hope all is well in your world.
     
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/26 21:22:29 (permalink)
    Gentlemen,
          In many cases the expansion of our cities has very little to do with need but more from desire.  People desire a home where there are good schools, little crime and the opportunity to not have to interact with other people.  The "burbs" give people a chance to escape and become insular.  If you look at many of the inner cities there are numerous properties that could be purchased but they lack the desires of the people.  The next thing driving the suburban exodus is greed.  Mostly greed on the part of inner city land owners who can charge huge rents to those who want to live convenient to the city or to those who by economic necessity must live in the cities. The people who own these properties in the city have no desire to keep them up only to collect rents.  And the people who live in them have no ownership incentive to do so either.  The last part of the greed equation is the fracturing of the rural family.
           There was a time when the farmer passed down the farm to the eldest son or to the one best qualified to maintain the farm.  Now these same farmers are leaving the farm to all their children and all it takes is one of many who want the money from the sale of the land to force the sale or division of the farm.  I'm sure everyone knows of at least one farm or piece of rural property that has been a forced sale because one, or more, of the children have demanded that they get a portion of the value of the family farm and no one member can borrow the money to buy the others out.  Farm land has no value, development land has great value.  Try to borrow one million dollars to buy a nice farm and you'll be told that the land doesn't have enough value to support farming.  Try to borrow the same million with a development plan in hand and the money will be there post haste.
           Our increased mobility (as mentioned in another post) has also contributed.  In olden times it took all day to go from a farm 15 miles out to the city and back.  Then with the car 15 miles was just an hours drive, then with better roads 60 miles became acceptable.  Now, in some places even 2 hours is considered normal. And, except in Atlanta, 15 miles doesn't take all day.  We have become victims of our own successes.

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/27 13:16:41 (permalink)
    Well said indy - but my question remains - why do we boycott large name enterprises who still offer SOME opportunities for hunting while, (in places that some on herre would never hunt anyway) at the same time, supporting developers who have taken away ANY opportunity for hunting in their (our) "own back yard?" (and in some locals, fishing access)  To me, that makes absolutely no sense at all! 
     
    Did I miss something in logic or philosophy class?
     
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/28 09:31:32 (permalink)
    Grendel,
         Just for sticks and giggles I decided to check in to the Properties offered by the magazine.  Unless you have the financial backing of D. Beaver there are NO HUNTING Opportunities in the development.   All it is is a big gated community.  Most of the people who are buying there are buying a 2d or third home and have the place posted so tight it will make your head spin. 
          Since they are NOT full time residents they DO NOT want strangers "wandering around on their property"  so some of the areas even have security to keep outsiders out.  I'd really like to see what would happen if somebody actually happened to shoot an elk or a deer in the community.
          These kind of people don't want hunting, or fishing because they want to make the animals into pets, and then bischit like mad if the critters eat their landscaping, or, heaven forbid, scratch their new BMW.  (Saw a video once where a bull elk got P.O.'d at a beemer for some reason.)  Score:  ELK> 1 BMW> 0.
          But, as in all things, unless there is a law preventing it, the land owner has the right to do what he wants with his land.

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/28 12:56:07 (permalink)
    From the Williamsport Sun Gazette:
     
    Cabela’s broadens exposure of recreational real estateBy ALISSA EATON - aeaton@sungazette.com

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    Pennsylvania is a place to hunt, fish, camp and to buy and sell recreational real estate.

    Big Woods Properties LLC and Fish Real Estate Inc. are now affiliated with Cabela’s, the world’s foremost outfitter, to market recreational property throughout the northern part of the state.

    Big Woods Properties has offices in McElhattan and the company buys recreational properties, increase their retail value with upgrades and improvements and resells them to interested parties.

    Jay Alexander and James B. Maguire own the company and will now be able to list their properties with Cabela’s Trophy Properties, a comprehensive marketing program that provides sportsmen and recreational buyers an extensive selection of property listings.

    “Because we can list with Cabela’s, that brings respect and trust to the table right away,” Alexander said. “Surrounding your business with the best in the field has been the way we exceed customers expectations and I am delighted to be amongst a great group of companies like Cabela’s and Fish.”

    Because Big Woods Properties focuses on buying recreational properties from customers, it can now refer customers to Fish Real Estate Inc., a company that has been selected as the official sub- participant in this venture with Caleba’s Trophy Properties.

    “Fish can hold the properties for longer and can help people establish a price and list the property through Fish and through Cabela’s Trophy Properties,” Alexander said.

    Brokers from Fish Real Estate will also be able to list properties on Cabela’s Trophy Properties and will get exposure to their properties through that.

    “We feel that this area of Pennsylvania and of the nation has so much to offer in recreational real estate and we feel there is a market out there that hasn’t been tapped into,” Brent M. Fish, broker and owner of Fish Real-Estate, said.
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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/28 16:26:21 (permalink)
    orvis has gotten into the real estate also, selling off big private game and fishing reserves, there's no big hoopla about it. this is why a group of guys or a small clubs get together and buy land, so the big boys don't buy it all. this also is why we need the pfc & pgc try to buy up properties, to keep it public. you can see it's the real estate people causing the problems. they want to use a well known sporting goods name to sell thier product for trust purposes. cabelas is evedently looking to get a few extra bucks (thousands) by selling thier name and not having to do the work.
    it's a real shame. if anyone has a solution let me know %$#@$

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    RE: Has anyone read this about Cabelas? 2008/01/28 17:32:44 (permalink)
    I love it.  The American dream, up for sale.  The sad part is that only a very few rich Americans can buying their own personal fishing and hunting preserve.  For the rest of us, the American dream is just a dream.....  Money talks, everything else walks.  In America the very essence of what made this country great is up for sale to the highest bidder.  The home of the free is for those who can afford it and to the rest of us:
                                                     KEEP OUT, NO TRESPASSING.
     
    Of course with the invention of video games and interactive systems like Nintendo Wii, fishing one day may be done in your living room using a fancy joy stick instead of a fishing rod....  That way you could have great days fishing everyday; two hundred landed, no break offs, and no one to bother you and better yet you just about anyone can participate.  No need for tons of money to purchase land or buy out the fishing and hunting rights.  Your little piece of the pie is right there, your own 10' X 20' living room, TV, game box and Lazyboy... 
     
    I can hear it now, "Honey, could you get me another beer please... I am about to break my high score and I don't want to mess this up.  Thanks sweet cheeks....  Love ya baby doll....".  The American dream, 21st century style...

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