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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/07 02:43:01 (permalink)
BTDT   You wrote .... Estimated time line includes start of construction to begin in October 2017 with a completion date expected to be in 2019.           
  Then the lake will have to fill and be restocked .. right ?  That will take another 2 years. Now it's 2021.  I wonder what kind of "little fishes" they will put back in the lake?  With 3 or 4 years for the "little fishes" to grow. Now it's 2023 or 2024.   Wow, we maybe ice fishing the winter of  2024/2025.
 
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/07 09:11:20 (permalink)
Who got the bid?
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/07 09:44:35 (permalink)
Chuckles I'm hoping that the PFBC also will rework the law for the use of motorized vehicles on the ice. By the time Tamarack is fishable I'll be needin' sumbody ta drive my asz onto the ice.... and hopefully back home again.πŸ˜‹


Tippe I can't answer who got the bid but I will say, if the bids were let out in August and work is to commence in October. I have a feeling it will be a "already known" contractor that has just conveniently finished a project and, his equipment is waiting to move.

Anyway I provided a link to a Meadville newspaper claiming to report updates.

Here it is again.....


https://westmead.org/tamarack-lake-update/

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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/07 11:39:13 (permalink)
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE


Searched the PA emarket sight (not even close to being phone or user friendly) and filed through 20 plus pages finding only one bid under the PFBC agency and that was for fish food.

HOWEVER plenty of contracts awarded through the PGC agency. Just general stuff like this.

Improvements to the surface of Killbuck Rd, o ... Game Commission R C Newman $29998.08
4300560515 08/29/2017 6100043286

Demolition of pheasant pens Western Game Farm Game Commission T & A Skidsteer Service $22117.00

Plus other things like cutting down trees, herbicides And stuff like that.


07/28/2017 6100043242 SE No-Till Native Seed Drill Game Commission Truax Company, Inc. $23544.00
4300552352

07/26/2017 6100042722 Wildlife Conservation Officer Cadet Testing Game Commission EXAMINETICS INC $30915.00
4300552352

07/26/2017 6100042722 Wildlife Conservation Officer Cadet Testing Game Commission EXAMINETICS INC $30915.00
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/07 13:44:31 (permalink)
I was just wondering.  You would think it would be a public bid opening with immediate results posted.  We bid some public funded work both as a prime and a sub-prime contractor, and I think it is law that it has to be a public opening, with results posted immediately afterwards.  We are also generally required to name our subs within a certain deadline.  We are in WV, but I would think it would be something all the states would have to do.
 
 
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/07 15:16:42 (permalink)
Tippe I cannot say for certain that the bids for Tamarack haven't been opened|awarded but the info wasn't listed on the emarket sight. Darned sight is not at all phone friendly so I did not search for the proposal itself. I question the time line from bid opens to project start. If the winning (low bid) contractor cannot meet the start date specified the contract can be awarded to whoever can, regardless of the cost. Contracts usually specify who a subcontractor must hire. eg; union, years of experience, pay rate, etc

The owner (PA) reserves the right to reject all or any part of the bid.

Or delay a project by rebidding.

PA can easily say the bids exceeded the budget, which was set back in 2012.

Though most contractors would stay within that limit then exceed the bid with change-orders and cost overruns.
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/07 15:41:10 (permalink)
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/07 16:10:34 (permalink)
Crawlerman thanks for the link. I tried to copy the info and paste it in this thread but the PDF won't allow it.

STUPID PDF.

I hope the state doesn't use this as a excuse to further delay the project.

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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/08 10:52:05 (permalink)
crawlerman2
Looks like they found a loophole to the public bid. 
http://www.dgs.pa.gov/Businesses/Design-and-Construction/Documents/BV%20Determination%20Decision%20Memo%20DGS%20A199-84.pdf
 



That really sets the table for corruption.  Good gravy.
 
As a PM, I have seen a few bids recently where it was obvious a contractor was "selected" by wording similar to this, but they were never publicly funded jobs. Some of the owners(and generals/construction management firms) we work with have broken the bidding into phases on larger projects.  Approval to bid, actual competitive bid, and interviews with the project managers and estimators involved in the bid are becoming commonplace.  They then weigh the options (pick their homies), and go from there with the project award based on the more "qualitative" aspects of the contractors.  It is crooked, but it is also private money, and the owners can do whatever they want to do.
 
There is always information in bidding documents and specs regarding the fitness of a contractor for performance of work being bid.  There could have easily been a contractor qualification approval time period (let's say 2 months, it IS the Government we are talking about here, LoL), to see who would be fit (no doubt many from Pittsburgh to Erie), and still have a competitive bid.  That is by far the stinkiest part of this. 
 
As far as the emergency plan, that isn't a bad thing at all, and really isn't beyond typical on any major project like this.  I want this place done right, and safely for both the public and the contractor.  I also want it done fairly for whomever the contractor is, and for the customer, US!  That would be the legitimate gripe here.
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/23 15:01:13 (permalink)
this lake used to be THE spot for muskies, going to Tamarack was like the poor man's trip to Lake of the Woods. Not many places in PA where you could count on boating multiple skies in a 6 hour day of fishing. 
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/23 21:08:45 (permalink)
FBC turned Tamarack into a "brood lake" after the lake was drained and the dam repaired the first time.

Only lake I can remember "Texas rigging" or using a "pig-n-jig" with a steel leader.

Dadburn Esox's would chew off anything as soon as it hit the water. Including small panfish ya was catching under a bobber.

Good times.... yes but not gooder than, catching those once upon a time bull gills.

I'll be taking my annual tour of Autumn when the leaves get lookin pretty. Be interesting to take a look see wassup at Tamarack. Leaves are gorgeous through the valley.

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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/23 23:37:30 (permalink)
Before they drained it the lake was amazing. Low pressure due to the giant floating weed mats from the commission cutting out trails for boaters. Giant bass and musky used to love hanging out on the edges of said paths waiting to ambush anything that swam by. Not to mention the secret population of big walleye down by the dam!

I miss that lake the way it used to be before it was drained.
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/09/26 14:13:56 (permalink)
yeah it would be nice if it came back in any way. Even as a panfish and bass lake. Beautiful place. I caught some big largemouth on large gliders and a big swimbait while muskie fishing, probably the biggest LM I've caught that weren't hooked in Texas. Never knew about the walleye, I was almost always using lures that were huge and stayed on top or near the top there or we were trying to get a few crappie and bluegill for dinner with tiny jigs or live bait
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/19 12:58:46 (permalink)
Saw on twitter it became official last night, Meadville Council voted for pfbc to take next step toward the dam to be constructed 
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/20 09:18:40 (permalink)
Thanks Looch, that sounds promising.  Here's a bit more info from the "Meadville Tribune".
 
 
     
 
 
Ok so I got carried away but I'm excited
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
BREAKING: Tamarack Lake rehabilitation project to proceed
  • Meadville Tribune 
  • Oct 18, 2017 
     

     
     

      http://www.meadvilletribu...9d55-9b86761a397a.html] [/link]  
     
     
    Two weeks after expressing doubts, concerns and even asking at one point, β€œWhat’s in it for us?” Meadville City Council members unanimously approved a plan for the Natural Resources Conservation Service to release its interest in Tamarack Lake.
     
     
    Doing so will allow work on the Tamarack Lake rehabilitation project to proceed, with construction likely beginning in the next few weeks.
     
     
    β€œThe contractor will be on the ground in November if all things go well,” said Michele Jacoby, director of the bureau of engineering at Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission, which operates and maintains the lake.
    For more on this story, pick up Thursday's Tribune or visit meadvilletribune.com on Thursday.
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2017/10/20 09:34:11

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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/23 11:00:09 (permalink)
Heck yeah. 
 
2027 is going to be EPIC.
 
Thanks for keeping us out-of-towners updated on this guys.
 
 
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/23 12:01:21 (permalink)
2027? I'd be happy to see (today) what the PFBC has planned for this lake. Another musky nursery ya think?

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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/24 08:29:57 (permalink)
Hard to say.  I would think that they would try to bring it back to something close to its former self, but that would be what I would get for thinking.  If it were in WV, they would probably fill it with big yellow troots, and everyone would bring their matching yellow ropes, and cheer.  Another musky lake to spread out pressure wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/24 08:54:25 (permalink)
Before the Musky were introduced, Tamarack was notorious for her "gills" and carpet like weeds. The first dam repair brought hope of weed control and visions of pan fish, bass and walleye.

I can't say I was disappointed with catching Musky, I have a few pictures I gloat over, but at times it was like "shooting" ducks in a barrel. Not in line with "a fish of 10,000 cast".

Still, good news, the repairs shall move forward and hopefully the contractor has the ability to git-r-done. As for the PFBC..... who knows?
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/24 10:47:33 (permalink)
Thanks guys for the good news. It seems the red tape is finally getting closer to the shredder. Just my personal view on restocking the lake, would go back to the original format when the lake was first built in the '60s, and stock it with pan fish and walleye. There were some musky in it, and they were huge, but "I" don't think we need another brood lake. As old and decrepit as I am, it won't make much difference what they put in it though..
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/24 14:32:49 (permalink)
I'm not for returning the Tamm to a brood lake but some tigers would be fine.

Gonna be great, just to float a boat on her waters, even if just one more time.

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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/24 22:35:50 (permalink)
thought I read somewhere or maybe my uncle told me they planned on panfish and bass. "Friends of Tamarack" is in my mind for some reason. I think their page on fb is where I seen it a few months ago. 
 
I bet the muskie clubs will want the nursery again, they did well there but it may be completely different lake when it comes to conditions. Obviously it will be same size and shape but the water clarity, structure, ph wont be the exact same as before for awhile if ever. Muskie rearing may not work as well
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/25 14:43:27 (permalink)
With the way PFBC finances are going, they wont be able to continually stock the new and improved Tamarack with Tigers or Purebreds. Pan fish and Largemouth only need stocked once...
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/25 17:06:16 (permalink)
Chances are, the Pa. Legislature is gonna allow the license increases, but there still remains a problem. Having two separate enforcement bodies, both of which are overloaded and top heavy in the administration departments, takes a ton of money. (Using last years' figures, published in Pa. Angler & Boater), 69% of the total income for PFBC went to administrative fees, ie: Offices, vehicles, wages, benefits, etc.
If both the PFBC & the PGC could be merged, (seein' as how both are law enforcement agencies), at least much of the admin expenses could go away, leaving more cash for hatcheries, launches, Game Lands, and the like.
I know! Wishful thinking, but I'm just sayin'.

Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/25 17:38:23 (permalink)
I have no problem with the budget for administration cost. I do have a problem with most of the money spent on do nothing positions. The PFBC needs to get out of biology and back into enforcement. Sorry PSU fans but enough with the biologist thingy we need to get back to the basics.

Anyways took a little ride, just me and my bride, to see what kinda conditions the conditions is in.

EAST DAM

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EAST BOAT LAUNCH boat dock is at the edge of the green grass where it sank in 2012. Ramp lane has since grown over.
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FISHING PIER

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WEST END. Boat dock patiently waits for the first boat.
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THE MACHINERY COMETH SOON.


PS. Sorry bout the shoddy pics. inclement weather and my phone cam sucks!
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/25 18:14:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby roygpa 2017/10/27 09:22:29
Addendum:

MY BACK YARD. When I returned home.😎

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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/10/26 12:29:20 (permalink)
I have to say BTDT, you have a gorgeous view in your back yard...
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/11/17 15:41:17 (permalink)
Just got home from a drive around Tamarack to see what's going on. Not much to report. No equipment to be seen at either dam. There are survey markers at the Meadville end though. I guess that's a start. Sure would have liked to see some actual workers there.
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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/11/18 00:01:23 (permalink)
olds-pa thank you for the comment of my back yard.  I apologize for being tardy but, I just saw your page.
 
Thanks a bunch for posting your report on Tamarack it is nice to hear there is some positive movement.  There was nothing at all my last trip 4 weeks ago.  Sure would be sweet to see a couple thousand metric tons of extra dirt removed from one end to the other.  Oh hell, make that a couple million metric tons.  Somebody can use some extra fill dirt.  lol

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Re: Tamarack Lake............ 2017/12/31 23:48:13 (permalink)
Was up there the week before christmas and there was construction equipment by the south dam.  Also it looked like they started moving dirt.
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