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2014/10/06 22:46:42 (permalink)

Just before sunlight ???

Okay guys,and gals. You are in your stand, before sunlight is breaking , what do you do.....besides nap??
Rattle??
Bleat??
Grunt??
I rattled this morning AFTER light and had a 4 pt. come in within 10 minutes.
 
your thoughts?? 
What have you tried??
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    workcanwait....
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/06 23:03:54 (permalink)
    I  get settled and open my ears real wide...
    Try putting your rattle antlers on a rope and dangle them in branches near  ground level it drives bucks nuts and keeps them from looking UP...WCW
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/06 23:14:12 (permalink)
    That's a thought...dangling .....my set up may be challenging with that as my ladder is on a pretty steep hillside. I am 25 yards off a bench and right at eye level, but could bring them to look down the hill....THANKS BW
     
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/07 00:08:55 (permalink)
    Put out a turkey decoy near that hillside stand so they see it when walking in  - sometime they trot off but generally come back outa curiosity. They stare at it- think they are waiting for it to move. Nice for bow turkey too- carry a call.
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/07 05:08:45 (permalink)
    B  W  Its pretty early in the season I would get to your stand/blind about 45 mins/ 1 hour before sunlight. As far as using calls, rattles, even hot scents. I would wait for a few. never had any luck this early. Know cover scents are a must.  Although I had this new guy to my area  blow his grunt call every 20 mins or so and driving me CRAZY  LOL I'll bet he didn't know every time he blew that thing the deer would run to me, But were all yearlings    Good Luck and BE SAFE
     
    post edited by BIGHEAD_1 - 2014/10/08 05:36:30
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/07 07:24:21 (permalink)
    +1 ^^^^^^^^^^^
     
    BH
     
    Can also try running some fishing line over a few trees and down to a low branch, and shake it when rattling. It's very effective if you have a Buck decoy under it. But like BH1 said, it's still a bit early
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/07 21:40:01 (permalink)
    i quit using scents all together. some may work but in my woods they dont. all scents have additives in them. whether to preserve them or what ever, but none of them smell exactly like the real thing. same with rattling. pieces of plastic hit together doesnt sound like bone antlers. and like they said, if you are rattling you should have something hanging to the ground to thrash the leaves alittle. makes a huge difference. most of all, play the wind and dont over hunt your stand. all the big boys know.
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/08 05:41:28 (permalink)
    ^^^^^ agree The best scents are to get a doe early and drain her pee into a air tight container, But you will have to use it within a day or two then it just turns.  Got totally  soaked last night to watch a few young deer run in circles just making me dissy  LOL
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/08 10:41:10 (permalink)
    I don't make a sound in the woods before legal shooting time..
     
    You never know when Brutus will come running and if it's to early to shoot you just might have lost your one shot at him.
     

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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/08 12:50:36 (permalink)
    I don't know about collecting the urine of a doe but, I know about removing the scent glands that doe rub togeather while they urinate to wash the scent onto the ground. Placed into zip lock bags the scent released can be regulated into the air. Place one in the freezer while using one, which will last several days or, just freeze for next year.

    The darker the glands, the better but, the doe need not be in estrous as the scent of musk is still strong enough to catch the attention of the boys.

    Just something I learned back in the day.

    Word of caution; do not hang the gland from a 'ladder stand' unless you'r looking to test your safety harness. Just sayin'....

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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/08 12:59:21 (permalink)
    I'm with Bings on this one, I'm always silent until shooting light starts.  I don't do much blind calling either even after the sun pops up.  I'd prefer to be able to see the buck I'm calling to and guage his reaction before I go wild with the grunts or rattling.
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 08:19:39 (permalink)
    bingsbaits
    I don't make a sound in the woods before legal shooting time..
     
    You never know when Brutus will come running and if it's to early to shoot you just might have lost your one shot at him.
     


    I've done that.................oops. Had a nice buck right under me, but couldnt see enough to shoot. As soon as it turned light enough to see, he was gone.
     
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 15:01:24 (permalink)
    Bh your a poacher
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 15:31:57 (permalink)
    It is just before daybreak as you sit in your stand; the wind is quiet, so quiet that the Maple leaves do not twitch. What direction will your scent be traveling?

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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 15:35:02 (permalink)
    Down
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 15:54:30 (permalink)
    Maybe...........

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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 16:00:12 (permalink)
    Normally the temp drops a couple degrees just before the sun starts to come up. I've been busted more than I care to admit in that half hour or so. Off to play in a tree. See you later.
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 20:42:08 (permalink)
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    I'm with Bings on this one, I'm always silent until shooting light starts.  I don't do much blind calling either even after the sun pops up.  I'd prefer to be able to see the buck I'm calling to and guage his reaction before I go wild with the grunts or rattling.




    This. I generally only call when I see a buck cruising and I am sure he will not come my way. I will call or rattle and see what he does. 

    My rifle is a black rifle
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 20:54:31 (permalink)
    Ten deer tonight three bucks chasing. Weird year
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 22:10:54 (permalink)
    Nice insight men...With work, I only get Mon. and Tues. to hunt. so over hunting I think I am good.
     
    I have acorns by the bushels under my stand. I use acorn spray as a cover scent.
    The deer have scratched the hillside down to the dirt.
    Last sun through tues, I found 5 new rubs within 10 yards.
    Hope the trail cam can give me some insight this week as to who's visiting.
    Keep the updates coming.....let's make it a team effort---corny---LMAO
     
    I am going to rig a shaker line Monday to a couple bushes below me, see how that pans out.
     
    however I may hit a lake Monday for some fall trout fishing
     
     
    post edited by BIG WAGS - 2014/10/09 22:12:34
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/09 22:25:04 (permalink)
    Big wags food scents are a NO- NO check your regs...
     
    dpms-" I generally only call when I see a buck cruising and I am sure he will not come my way. I will call or rattle and see what he does. "
     
    This is what I learned to do after years of experimenting-blind calling can work but more often just alerts the deer to where you are.
    And why make a commotion if they are headed towards you...
     
    BTDT-DEPENDS-On the thermals and your height...WCW
     
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/10 02:00:45 (permalink)
    White or Red on those acorns?

    Appears to be a good crop of acorns in my area also.

    Just wondering, make your own spray?

    Good luck.... Be Safe.
    post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2014/10/10 02:04:06

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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/10 02:28:45 (permalink)
    BeenThereDoneThat.
    It is just before daybreak as you sit in your stand; the wind is quiet, so quiet that the Maple leaves do not twitch. What direction will your scent be traveling?


    No doubt the cooler air will cause your scent to drop and of course the warmer air will cause your scent to rise.

    Any idea of which way the scent might be drifting while your on stand or walking to your stand.

    What sure fire way is there to detect the direction of even the slightest movement of air.

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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/10 05:05:17 (permalink)
    BtDt  ( I don't know about collecting the urine of a doe but, I know about removing the scent glands that doe rub togeather while they urinate to wash the scent onto the ground. Placed into zip lock bags the scent released can be regulated into the air. Place one in the freezer while using one, which will last several days or, just freeze for next year.)  The urine is used as cover scent  not a lure.  Glands do work good too.  I seen the BIGGEST body deer I ever seen last night, Couldn't tell what is was though. Hope I  get a shot at this beast whatever it is. Will go a long way in the freezer.   GOODLUCK and BESAFE
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/10 05:33:06 (permalink)
    Using the powder it's tough to detect that light a drift. There is a product I've seen advertised that uses fine fibers that you let loose in the air that might work. Don't recall what it is called. My comment on "down" is because there is normally a quick drop in the temp just before daylight over and beyond the normal and I thought you were asking a trick question.
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/10 11:58:53 (permalink)
    No not a trick but, trivial question S-10 and your answer is correct as, was WCWs.

    We don't know which way our scent travels when the winds are still so, I posed this question to see if anyone would mention the 'wind feather'.

    I learned this trick from an old bird hunter. Many....... many moons ago.

    It's not a true feather as, it is made from non-waxed dental floss. Strip a piece of floss with the edge of a knife as if you are trying to curl a piece of ribbon. In time the floss will fray and become fluffed. Tie this to your bow, gun, or branch and it will detect the slightest movement of air. Dental floss is tuff stuff and will last a long time and drys fast if wet.

    The old bird hunter used this to find the direction of the air current before he released his dogs.

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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/10 12:19:28 (permalink)
    One thing I used to use on days like that was milkweed seeds. Used to keep a few dozen in a container in my jacket and pinch off the end.
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/10 12:43:47 (permalink)
    If anything can find the direction of the wind it would be milkweed seed..... for sure.

    But ya know...... with my luck..... my allergies would get fired up and I'd sneeze my way out of the woods. Worse yet, my eyes would start watering just as a wall hanger presents a shot. (lol).

    Fun talkin' .......... best of luck to ya.

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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/10 20:34:54 (permalink)
    WCW --- thanks, never even crossed my mind acorn spray as food....DUH
    BTDT---Red acorns...all are quite tiny size of a nickle though.
    wish it was Monday already
     
     
     
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    Re: Just before sunlight ??? 2014/10/10 22:37:31 (permalink)
    Hear you on the Monday wish.... I do. Just being nosey on the acorns, too bad there not white, that's like candy to deer and turkey. Also, I'm wondering and I bet we'll find out, if you can't wear the scent of a food source can you hunt over a food source?

    Anyway your mentioning of the acorns made me laugh as I was fishing along the edge of a lake earlier this week. Not paying attention to the trees I was fishing under I was soon made aware they were oaks. I'm still finding acorns (red) rolling around my boat. Don't be laughin' either, those things hurt.

    Keep the hope, Monday is right around the corner.

    Good hunting.

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