Live2Fsh
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Knots Pulling Out
I'm new to fly fishing for steelhead this year. I have good success this season, but the one thing that still causes me problems is my knot at the fly will sometimes pull out while landing a large fish. I tie my knot and test it, but when the fish is pulling under a lot of pressure the fly will sometimes pull off. The line doesn't apprear to break, rather the knot pulls out.
Can someone give me some pointers how to prevent this? I have never experienced this when fishing with my spincast outfit. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks
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matsif
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/08 18:21:42
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what leader are you using? what knot are you using?
I normally use an advanced clinch knot (basically clinch not with extra twists and flips in it) on frog hair flouro. that holds very well for me.
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saltflyfisher
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/08 18:38:48
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Spin or fly will make no difference in line, its the same end result. Are you wetting the knot and properly seating it? You may be rushing and not doing an extra turn on the knot.
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/08 20:05:15
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http://www.neffguide.com/knots.html Here is a link for the knot I use. Called Orvis knot. I use it for everything except for when I use a dropper, then I use the improved clinch knot to tie onto the hook bend. As with any knot make sure it is wet before pulling tight and that the wraps are laying correctly.
post edited by 2dog - 2008/01/08 20:06:59
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waspman
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/08 21:36:10
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Wet the knot by putting it in your mouth before sinching it down. J.T.
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doubletaper
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/09 10:24:57
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fly rod & reel march issue has knots to know in this issue. through trial and error  i came up with these knots. fly line to leaders= nail knot (when there's no loop) i use a big needle to help leader to tippet= surgeon's knot for light leaders to light tippet. double surgeon's for heavier lines tippet to fly= improved clinch knot for dry flies and nymphs using mono tippet tippet to streamers= trilene knot because of the quick and aggresive hits tippet to fly using flouro= orvis knot like they said above don't forget to wet the knot before you tighten it..
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pafisher
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/09 11:00:13
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2dog...that is a neat site you posted,thank you.I've been doing this for many years and will still find that site usefull.
I use the improved cinch knot.Important factors are wetting the line,seating the knot properly,and the quality of the material used.I am using Frog Hair and P-line flora,both have worked well for me.
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Live2Fsh
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/09 12:04:16
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I have always used a cinch knot, but I didn't know about wetting the line. I will definitely try this. I have been using Orvis Green Mountain leaders and tippet. Thanks to all for providing me with such quick feedback.
Warren, PA
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saltflyfisher
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/09 15:09:44
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Wetting the line get rid of the heat built up from pulling the line tight dry. W/o it your get a weak spot. After you've done it a couple dozen times it becomes habit and automatic. ORIGINAL: Live2Fsh
I have always used a cinch knot, but I didn't know about wetting the line. I will definitely try this. I have been using Orvis Green Mountain leaders and tippet. Thanks to all for providing me with such quick feedback.
Warren, PA
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/09 15:52:08
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live2fsh, also make sure you don't have any stuff on your fingers when tying the knots. such as, egg oil, dry fly floatant, repellents and such!!
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/09 18:54:23
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I have the same problem but with my knots on my tapered leader. usually where my 3x and 5x meet. Was all over the internet to and then saw some guy on a fishing show , show a better knot then what Im using
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pafisher
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/10 11:12:49
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live2fish,try the "improved" clinch knot.It just requires you to bring line back thru the first loop then tighten it.Google it and maybe you can get a picture of it.The improved version will not pull out.
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2dog
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/10 19:09:23
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ORIGINAL: pafisher
live2fish,try the "improved" clinch knot.It just requires you to bring line back thru the first loop then tighten it.Google it and maybe you can get a picture of it.The improved version will not pull out.
What you described is just the clinch knot. Pass line thru eye then wrap around standing part and pass end thru loop at eye and pull standing part to tighten. The "improved" clinch knot is the same except, pass the end thru the second loop formed then tighten. Found a couple of sites that show the difference.
http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php
http://www.orvis.com/orvis_assets/files/index.html
post edited by 2dog - 2008/01/10 19:29:37
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pafisher
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/11 00:08:03
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2dog,yes that's what I was trying to describe,that one site you posted shows it perfectly....a picture is worth a bunch of words!
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/11 09:26:56
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from my personal experience the Palomar Knot with flouro is probably the strongest and easiest knot to tie. I have had 3x strong hooks straighten out before the knot breaks. Also, the Pitzen and Uni knots are pretty hard to beat too and not that hard to tie. I have the most breakoffs and worry the most about the improved and regular clinch knot. I use a fast action stick so its kind of hard to have a tippet cusion with such a stiff action. Try the palomar knot next time your out I think you will be pleasantly suprised.
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/15 19:49:36
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i like to use a barrel knot or a clinch knot and frog hair 3x flouro works well for me also like many others i forget to wet the line every once and a while but its a very important step to remember
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RE: Knots Pulling Out
2008/01/16 17:24:20
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With fluorocarbon I quit tying the improved clinch and now use just the old fashioned clinch knot.
For some reason, it hods up better than the improved version when using fluoro.
The strongest knot I've used is the Polamar. The problem I had with the polamar knot is that instead of loosing just the fly, I would loose fly and tippet. Tippet to leader knots I've tried are blood, loop to loop and triple surgeons. I'm sold on the trip surgeons.
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