Question about kicker size

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2013/02/22 11:01:07 (permalink)

Question about kicker size

Last year i bought a starcraft holiday 22v.  The boat is aluminum powered by a 150 v6 evinrude outboard, i am looking to get a kicker for the boat.  I have had my eye on a 9.9 evinrude but dont know if that is big enough for trolling or if i should go bigger.  Money is an issue so i have been hounding craigslist looking and working side jobs to get the money for one.  Any help would be great, i want to have the boat ready to troll erie for eyes this summer

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    TheBlueLagoon
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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/22 11:27:04 (permalink)
    9.9 is perfect for trolling. We haven't had a problem.

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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/22 12:08:08 (permalink)
    Get whatever your budget allows. A 9.9 is fine for trolling, most boats on the big lake will have a 9.9 kicker.
    However, If you feel that your 150 may leave you stranded on erie with just your kicker to get back in then I'd suggest a 15 or 20hp.  I have 20' aluminum boat that we used with a 9.9 for years and it worked out great, the only problem was once the lake got into solid 2-3's the kicker became useless and you had to run your main motor to troll. (unless you only troll with the waves)  A few years back whenever all of the limited horsepower lakes went up to 20hp we upgraded to a 20hp fourstroke merc. It Didnt exactly move the boat faster, but it had a lot more balls than the 9.9.  While not fun to do, I've trolled into 3-4' waves maybe even bigger with the 20 and it had plenty of power.  I had my main motor break down twice last summer while out in some nasty stuff and I was glad I had the 20 and not the 9.9.
    You will get different opinions from everyone you talk to, I personally would take a 20, or even 15hp over a 9.9 after running both on my boat. 
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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/22 12:50:03 (permalink)
    How does the 20 do on gas pushing a bigger boat
     

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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/22 13:34:14 (permalink)
    The 20hp four stroke does real good on gas....a lot better than the old two stroke I used. If I troll for 8-10 hours it will use between 1-2 gallons. If I troll all day, then run 12 miles back into the dock wide open it will use 5/6 gallons.  I use a 6 gallon tank for the kicker, there has been days I trolled all day long, then went to fill up the little tank at the end of the day and it is full after a gallon of gas.
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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/22 13:43:08 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info.  I think i am going to look for a 20, I should be able to find one by june lol. 

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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/22 23:14:04 (permalink)
    You don't need a 20hp.  A good four stroke 9.9 will push your boat at 7mph.  My Merc 4 stroke 9.9 pushes my 6000lb Sportcraft as fast as I need it to, and trolls into 4 or 5 foot waves without any problem.  A 20 hp is going to cost you more money, more fuel and still won't get you on plane if the weather gets ugly...maybe an additional mph or so.

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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/23 04:20:46 (permalink)
    My 9.9 Evinrude pushes my 18 ft. Grumman just fine (aluminum also). Perfect for trolling, good on gas, even came back on it when I first got the boat, and I mean literally the first time I had her out. It does take a while tho to get from 70 ft. off the lighthouse back to East Ave.  Trolling in 4-5 footers?  Not this buckeraroo! I won't even perch fish in that stuff.  And good luck trying to run boards in crap like that.  0-3 footers, tops.   Put the kicker on!  Even if you never troll with it, the peace of mind knowing you have a back up is priceless.
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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/23 08:17:50 (permalink)
    Eyeassasin,
    One other thing to think about, since this is a used boat, did you ensure the transom was solid? With a 150 on the back already, there is quite a bit of wt. Back there. What is the HP. Rating on the hull? Might want to make sure the transom is solid before you start loading it up with more weight.

    I agree with bogey, for as light as you boat is, a 9.9 is probably fine but if you are worried about powering through rough stuff either trolling or running back in, you can get a high thrust 9.9 or even a ht 8 HP and do just fine.
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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/23 11:34:07 (permalink)
    The transom is strong.  I had it checked out and the capacity plate says up to 300 hp.  The boat is getting ready to go for its spring check up just to make sure that everything is good
    What is an HT 8hp  i have never heard of that.

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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/23 13:17:40 (permalink)
    for that size of boat you don't need a 20hp.  a 9.9 would be perfect. 

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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/23 15:13:35 (permalink)
    High thrust 8 HP. Yamaha T8.
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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/23 23:38:48 (permalink)
    Thanks for all of the information i really appreciate all of your input

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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/24 07:45:55 (permalink)
    My boat is smaller, but do have an Evinrude 15HP 2 stroke. The motors are solid, easy to work on, and a ton of parts and forums to make most fixes yourself, and a bunch of them around so more guys to take to if you can't fix. I believe the technology is a bit simpler than the 4 strokes as well, so might be easier to fix, might want to check around on that though. Very good on gas, not sure comparison to equivalent 4 stroke? Mine putts me around Arthur at 10mph solo, 8mph with another fisherman and gear. I'll get 2-3 trips putting around, trolling, ect. out of a 6 gallon tank. Probably not as efficient as a 4 stroke, but can't be too much difference. $700~ as compared to $2k+, is your likely decision to make. Will you make that money back in gas savings, or have an additional $1250 available? Remember resale too, both should retain value pretty well, and the market in PA for a 20 is high until more 20HPs fill the market. I'd guess mine would get yours going 6-7mph with the 15HP and 8-9mph with the 20, going off of what I was told about changing to 20 myself, and others saying here. The 2 strokes do smoke a bit, and get the wrong wind, is not pleasant.

    The market for 20HP used is ridiculous, almost nonexistent for 4 stroke, without paying close to new price. You will be extremely lucky to get a 2 stroke 20HP in decent shape for under $1k and 4 stroke for under $2k. If you can, and have the extra cash, the 4 stroke 20hp is probably the best, per efficiency, local air pollution (in your boat) and ease of gassing and going without mix, but is it worth the cost? I've been having that debate for about 6 years, still have the 2 stroke 15...
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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/24 09:07:15 (permalink)
    PT, although there are workarounds and additives you can use on your 2 stroke to make it compatible as a kicker, most 2 strokes will carbon up from running at the low rpm normally used to troll.  This coupled with the dramatic decrease in fuel efficiency, and increase in fumes and noise make them less desirable as a kicker motor. 

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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/26 09:31:01 (permalink)
    I run a 15 horse 4 stroke on my 23' fiberglass and it is perfect for a kicker. What ever you get, make it a 4 stroke. There are soooooo many reasons...

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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/26 10:59:15 (permalink)
    Don't listen to them.  Let Porktown buy the used 4 stroke 20HP good deal, and buy his 2 stroke!  
     
    For my uses, the 2 stoke is fine.  As noted listen to the guys using for your intended purpose.  Was just really noting the Evinrude is a reliable motor and easy to fix, ect.  When I troll (inland smaller water), I usually use my electric motor set straight ahead, and my gas motor as a tiller, so I can use the wheel instead of foot controller.  If it isn't too windy or choppy, it works great (guess that would be 1% of the time on Erie).  A lot more stealthy, which I imagine is another advantage of 4 stroke, when comparing to 2 stroke.
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    Re:Question about kicker size 2013/02/26 17:05:11 (permalink)
    Okay so i did a tree removal job for a gentleman and he paid me with a 14ft aluminum jon boat and a force 9.9 motor.  The motor looks brand new and i know that is has only been used about 5 times since it was bought about 15 years ago.  Always covered and garage kept, really looks nice.  Would this work for my boat or should i use it as a trade + cash for a more reliable motor.  I was thinking about putting it on next week and seeing how it does on the river.  Also it is a tiller steer so could i use the main motor as a rudder for this smaller one.  

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