Input on Erie Worthy Boat 
Lovgren69
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Input on Erie Worthy Boat
I'm still stuck on getting a more Erie-worthy boat. Would like to unload my current boat sometime and get into a dedicated Erie boat. Looking to get some/any feedback on this particular boat. I can't understand while it isn't selling...It's been on the market for almost 3 months. They originally were asking 20k, now it's down to 13 k. I guess I should call them and see if anything glaring is wrong with the boat. What do you guys think?? http://eastnc.craigslist.org/bod/3250043039.html
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/05 15:32:18
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A few things I would think are causing problems with the boat... although it is a nice looking rig (style of boat is certainly a personal preference) the fact is that you are buying a 12 yr old motor with an unknown number of hours on it and unknown maintainance issues. Repowering an outboard would take between 15 and 20k for a motor to suit that boat.
Second problem... and for me this would be a big one... is no title on the trailer. I don't know what the NC laws are about trailers, so maybe not a big issue down there, but to bring that trailer into Pa and then try to get it titled/registered would be a pain!
Another thing you need to consider, though it is a nice looking ride, in the southern seashore areas it would be more of a buyers market and folks looking for a basic fishing machine would be more worried about engine hours, storage and rod holders, and folks looking for a joy ride would be wanting something that would be less likely to need motor maintainance and would probably prefer more open 'sun space' and entertainment room.
Although it may look good to you it is a long ride (an expensive) to go pick up something to find you are buying a lot of near future expenses.
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/05 17:13:51
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Doesn't sell because it's $12.5K. I love my walk around... 
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/05 19:25:03
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Pa does have an allowance on trailers with no title. not so many years ago boat trailers didnt have titles, you to do some I swear, pay here, sign here, stamp here ok you should get your title in 10 -15 days
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/05 19:33:19
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I dont think I would drop 12.5 k on a boat from another state. just me. I would find something local get your own boat guy to go over it, run it, as far as style get what you like. if you like the walk around, fine, dont say i dont like it but i bought it anway
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/05 19:36:12
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I bought my cc down in Maryland a few years ago with no title on trailer got it titles no problem and love my CC.
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/05 21:15:15
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Dropping from 20K to 13K indicates something!
(storm damage that has been refurbished? - cracked stringers? - worn out motor?)
Not only is it a 12 year old boat...it is a 12 year old SALT WATER boat!
Quite a few different "long term" maintainance issues in that case.
If you are serious about the boat, get a COMPETANT marine surveyor to go over it and use their report to guide your decision.
...love both of my CC's and almost bought a WA.
I guess that some dogs don't understand that different hull designs have different uses...clueless IMHO.
On the internet, EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion!
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/06 13:39:49
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/06 17:28:57
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Lovgren69
I'm still stuck on getting a more Erie-worthy boat. Would like to unload my current boat sometime and get into a dedicated Erie boat.
What the heck happened to the new ride? You don't like it? Or did you get a premature case of twofootitis?
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/06 22:03:39
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Well Todd I still have the new boat. I've had her out on the lake 6 or 7 times this year...I have mixed feelings about the boat. I like the wide open layout (has alot more room in the ****pit than my Ranger), & I like the styling and boat itself; but the boat does not ride well in the rough/choppy stuff! (My Ranger was night & day better) Had I done more researching I probably would've realized before I bought this model- that it was notorious for its rough ride! Apparently the boat it was modeled after [Champion Fishhunter 186] was not known for it's rough riding characteristics. The boat really does not cut through the chop at all; it more or less plows water. It will rattle your spine out in a 2 ft chop, and in anything more it just crashes vilolently when you try to cut the waves. I believe that the combination of the consoles being really far forward and the hull having a more gentle sweeping V [versus a sharper and more pronounced v like on my old Ranger] contributes to this. So overall I am just rather dissapointed in the ride and handling of the boat on Lake Erie. So the next logical step is to sell it and get into a more sea-worthy vessel. I like the layout on the wa style boats. I don't want to start too big, so I feel like something in the 21-23 feet range is in order. I've laid my eyes on thousands of boats in the last 3 or 4 months-just browsing, wishing, thinking about what would be a good starter rig. I don't really want any fixer uppers or anything much older than 10 years old. I've always been an outboard guy, so preferably my next boat will come with a outboard rated near the max hp of the boat. I know alot of guys run 21 footers w/ 115hp & 150hp engines-but I can't see how these boats aren't underpowered. After owning two relatively smaller profile 19 foot boats that both had 150hp, I definetley wouldn't want any less than a 200hp on 21fter. Not for the top speed, but more for the thrust needed to tackle a snotty lake or having enough grunt to lug around 4 or 5 guys and gear. I think if I look around hard enough I can get into something really nice for around 15k or under. Couple thay are out of my price range but I really like. http://delaware.craigslist.org/bod/3218483100.html http://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/3226807279.html
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Bogeyjoker
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/07 09:04:48
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Lovgren69
Well Todd I still have the new boat. I've had her out on the lake 6 or 7 times this year...I have mixed feelings about the boat. I like the wide open layout (has alot more room in the ****pit than my Ranger), & I like the styling and boat itself; but the boat does not ride well in the rough/choppy stuff! (My Ranger was night & day better)
Matt, A couple of questions/points of input/food for thought: - Do you have trim tabs on your boat?
- Since you're coming from an open single console boat like your Ranger, I'm wondering if that is swaying the type of boats you're looking at...for example, you were used to getting wet in the Ranger so you may be looking at WA's because your expectations are low as far as staying dry are concerned. You will get wet in either the Robalo or Sea Fox without installing vinyl spray windows. Some WAs have fully enclosed corkpits that will keep you very dry...many do not.
- IMO, WA's are a trade off. They allow easy access to the bow of the boat for launching, docking, manual anchoring, perch jerking, and in some cases lounging. However, they also have smaller cuddy's (less storage), smaller corkpits/consoles, and water over the bow comes back to the stern via the walkways. Don't rule out full hardtops unless you plan on spending a lot of time on your bow. It's easy enough to get on the bow on hardtops...the walkway is just smaller than on WA's.
- Are you determined to buy an outboard? There are a lot of nice things about OBs, and in some ways, I miss having one off the back of my boat. However, as Fisherlady mentioned, repowering an OB is an expensive proposition...$15-$20k is about right. Repowering a I/O or inboard is not a huge investment. It's nice not having that powerhead sticking up when netting/setting rods. However, it would be nice to not have the doghouse in the middle of my deck too. Maintenance is easier and cheaper on a I/O.
- When you go to a larger, heavier boat, you're going to sacrifice speed for comfort, no matter what your top speed is. Higher speed offshore boats are designed to handle ocean rollers, not Erie chop. You are not going to be able to fly across the lake at 35-40 mph without killing your boat or your crew (95% of the time anyway). You are right about having enough hp so you're not underpowered...that's all about having the ooompf to handle heavy seas, not about top end speed. In my old boat, I used to pound out to the fishing grounds at 30-40 mph, somewhat wet, with loose teeth. Now I drop the trim tabs to level the load and drop the bow to the appropriate angle, and sip coffee in 3 footers at 20-22mph. If I'm heading out a long way, that might mean I leave a half hour earlier than I used to.
You've probably already thought about most if not all of this, but I thought I'd give my $.02. There are some things I really love about my boat, but some things I wish I'd done differently...just trying to save you some of this learning curve. The boats you are looking at should all be Erie worthy...it's all about tweaking your choices to fit what you really want it to do for you.
post edited by Bogeyjoker - 2012/09/07 13:17:55
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/07 13:56:25
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Matt,
To put it into simple terms...
Buy the biggest, baddest(big ponies), heaviest boat you can afford...with a hardtop.
Good advice from Bogey, too.
Ironhed
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/07 15:12:45
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Keep your tow vehicle in mind too, you may find yourself buying a new truck too... Not that that's happened to me before...  I think the "perfect" Erie boat is a hard top, but I couldn't fit one in my barn, my walk around barely fits. Keeping a boat inside, especially for the winter, will keep it nicer longer....
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/08 22:39:47
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I bought a boat about a year and a half ago in SC. I had family that lived down there check it out for me I really trust him and he knew what I was looking for. It had minor elec. problems mostly due to corrosion and bad wires. But it didnt have a title for trailer either. I called the company that made the trailer told them my situation. They asked for the vin # and some photos and were able to come up with a bill of sale for me after some research and from there went to notary and got it titled in Pa. with no problem. The company that made trailer was very nice and willing to help me out so I dont know if that would work out if someone else runs into the same problem but its worth a shot.I was able to go to dmv down there to get a transit plate to bring it home also. I wouldnt say I have an erie worthy boat but its pretty safe as long as I pick good days and watch the weather been in 3 foot chop running 25 mph no problem and staying dry in a 19 foot sea pro cc .
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/10 21:39:18
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rember a center is good to reach the bow and most are a wash down so even if you take a wave the water will bail on its own now as far as the motor run compression check check the lower good i mean a small amount of prop play is normal but if it comes a 1/2 inch or more may be looking at a worn lower and trims make a old rogh riding boat like a new boat but for 10 to 15 grand you can pick up a cruizer ment for erie like a old baha /or sport craft style boat but mush check the stringes and transom of any older boat and salt plays he77 with any boat even more so on the motor ,if you buy a salty think of a new motor i have seen guys with newer motors needing a water pump finding the lower end is wrotten away cost around 2k pending size and year ,went thru alot of boats just buying fixing selling and yes my own work from whole blocks to gimbles to outdrives hope you find what your looking for also may want to check repo boats at banks and you can find a treasure at half the cost
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/14 08:35:35
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Thanks for the feedback from everyone. The good thing is that I'm not hurried to buy, so I have time to deliberate and weigh my options. I'm hoping that I can sell my current boat for around 17-18k, probably in the spring. I also need to consider how much extra money docking/gas/storage will be for owning a larger permanent Erie boat. Here were two more than caught my attention. Thoughts on these two 23 footers? Which would be the better of the two? http://baltimore.craigslist.org/boa/3230530265.html http://erie.craigslist.org/boa/3261066142.html
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/14 09:55:20
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I like the Sporty, but I'm prejudiced.  . I have the same engine in mine and is plenty of horseys. Depending on the hours on the engine, and the overall condition, the price could be right, or it might be a bit high (assuming the seller is being truthful about the maintenance). It's pretty loaded up, but it doesn't say whether the electronics are newer or will need updated. I'd eventually put a kicker/autopilot on her too, but that's just me. It's also close enough to take her out and really sea how she runs/handles...who knows maybe even get a chance to fish on her before you buy.
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Re:Input on Erie Worthy Boat
2012/09/14 10:13:15
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Someone it Erie just got a he!! of a deal on this...  Woulda bought it myself but the wife woulda killed me...
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