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2007/12/19 07:18:38 (permalink)

tying vise

i'm new to this sport of tying flies, i got a kit from cabela's yesterday, tied my first wooly bugger. my question is what is the springy dohickey around the vise shaft for?
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    killdeer19
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/19 08:33:42 (permalink)
    It's for holding material off the back end until needed. When tying a bugger if you tie everything in at teh bend, stick the tinsel and hackle in it while winding the body, etc. sometimes it comes in handy, other times it doesn't.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/19 09:13:26 (permalink)
    it's a french tickler.
     

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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/19 09:50:53 (permalink)
    LMAO, ^

    I had to buy one for my renzetti, those things rock for holding everything out of the way, especially when you use a rotary vice.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/20 07:24:01 (permalink)
    will it work on any other nationality? my neighbor used to live in quebec, is that close enough? do i poke him with it, or just rub it against his skin? seems like that would rip the hair out by the roots. by the way thanks for the info killdeer if it weren't for people like you some of us would still be stupid.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/20 09:57:52 (permalink)
    nut, since you already got the right answer, i couldn't resist. didn't mean any harm nor i hope i didn't sound like a smart ****. i love to hear about guys tying there own flies and you will get great advice on hear, don't let any of the jokes keep you from posting.. ~dt
     
    ps. if you use bead heads use clear fingernail polish instead of head cement. head cement will turn the bead dull and the tarnish will discolor your white wooly buggers.
    also don't keep your white buggers with the other colors if they are wet and the other colors are dyed.
    post edited by doubletaper - 2007/12/20 10:15:04

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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/20 11:22:53 (permalink)
    yea what double said jsut having a lil fun no foul no harm.these guys on here are just a bunch of jokesters.
    but when it comes to info for tying they are da best.

    I didn't say these are the ten suggestions
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/20 16:58:20 (permalink)
    Its an epilady, remember those things? Women used them for shaving. Nothing more than a rotating spring that pulled hair.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/20 21:39:57 (permalink)
    Flytying forum.com & SalmonCrazy.com will give you some great flies to tie,most have tutorials to guide you thru tying each fly.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/21 07:23:06 (permalink)
    sorry, i work in a sewer plant, and i get s#@t on every day, literally and figuretally. some thing just set me off.  the 2 web sites will be a good place to start, thanks. one other question, i was tying last night and the thread broke, i didn't know what to do so i dabbed cement (not portland) on the hook and started over where i was. my bobbin was too tight. is this a good thing, or is the integrity of the fly diminished? once again i apoligize. i got some books at the library, but i'll be asking questions, no need to **** off the teachers.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/21 08:20:44 (permalink)
    nut spread your bobin legs a lilthose things are pressed together to far just a lil.this will allow the bobbin to spin easier and don't pull so hard just keep steady pressure.as for the cemet thing nah that fly will be ok.

    I didn't say these are the ten suggestions
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/21 16:58:42 (permalink)
    nut, American Fly Tying manual by dave hughes is what i learned by. it tells you how to porportion the fly tying material to size of hook. very basic and easy to learn from. also color pictures. worth the money, i still refer to it many times. ~dt

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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/21 17:22:08 (permalink)
    I've been tying off and on for 35 years. I recently bought a book at ollies with 100 trout paterns and some basic info for around $5. If ones close it might help answer some questions.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/21 18:27:46 (permalink)
    You will somewhere along the way find that the thread will break once it has contacted the hook point. Once you get the hang of the bobbin and the tension needed your find a happy middle point.

    What you did was fine w/ the broken thread, you could have also just over wrapped the new start point of the thread w/ the old. If these were small flies you'd have a small build up area at that point.

    If you find the small material clip to be of little use to you, try a black metal spring clip, like those for papers. Place the material back over the vise and place the clip over the material and vise.

    Being your just starting out, buy a wht paster board and use it as a table mat. These will help w/ seeing the fly and w/ any spill clean-up. If you can have an area that you can have for tying only. This will help w/ just sitting down and starting to tie. if you have to clean up and pack the items away each time you're find the tying becomes a hassle.

    Some other neat items to use for tying and cheap, are needles for applying glue, tooth brush to comb and pull out fibers for a nymph, sharpie markers to color flies, post it notes and a pen to write down needs and wants of materials, business card magnets: these are great to stick on the base of the vise to hold hooks, assorted plastic containers to hold feathers and furs: if you don't seal them bugs will eat them, music, and a comfortable chair.
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    sorry, i work in a sewer plant, and i get s#@t on every day, literally and figuretally. some thing just set me off.  the 2 web sites will be a good place to start, thanks. one other question, i was tying last night and the thread broke, i didn't know what to do so i dabbed cement (not portland) on the hook and started over where i was. my bobbin was too tight. is this a good thing, or is the integrity of the fly diminished? once again i apoligize. i got some books at the library, but i'll be asking questions, no need to **** off the teachers.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/22 08:49:09 (permalink)
    thanks for the info, been tying some stuff, mostly wets ,nymphs, and streamers, no pattern, just what i think looks fishy. they don't look too bad, but trying to work on different things and techniques. will be going out fishing today, gonna hafta try these things out. FISH ON!
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/23 08:10:05 (permalink)
    woolybuggers worked out great. caught 2 14" browns, at least i know the pattern is good.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/23 17:59:47 (permalink)
    Tie yourself a black nose dace, instead of the brown bucktail uptop, change it out for olive. Try that next time you go, they work excellent in winter.
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/24 07:20:23 (permalink)
    i'll give it a try and let you know how it goes. size 6?

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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/24 08:23:03 (permalink)
    nut heres what ya do to learn tie us alll up that black nose dance i figure like 40 should do it by that time you will have that fly down pat lol.i am sure all of us will be graceous enough to send or addresses. lol

    I didn't say these are the ten suggestions
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/24 09:24:00 (permalink)
    Double SRY
    post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/12/24 09:31:45
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/24 09:30:52 (permalink)
    Tie it on a size 10 mustad bait/egg hook, you just need somewhere to lash stuff down, you dont need a huge streamer hook unless your fishing for stripers or something with a large mouth!
    post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/12/24 09:35:42
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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/24 10:38:57 (permalink)
    Nut what Treatment Facility do you work at?

    May the holes in your net be no larger than the fish in it.

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    RE: tying vise 2007/12/25 07:19:40 (permalink)
    moshannon valley joint sewer authority.

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    RE: tying vise 2008/01/08 07:28:54 (permalink)
    fishenfool46, a buddy of mine hacked into your computer, i got your address.the flies should be at your door in a couple of days. P.S. isent them c.o.d. packed in a safe to keep them safe.

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    RE: tying vise 2008/01/08 08:32:31 (permalink)
    ok will be looking out for them hope they are packed in  a gun safe i could use on of those too
    cod what the hell slap it on the ole card.Nut i was messing with ya,but the truth is just pick one
    pattern tye like a dozon or more till you feel comfortable with it and than pick another.Don't over whelm yourself like most new tyers did in cluding myself.Within a years time i know you will see your improvement
    yourself.
     

    I didn't say these are the ten suggestions
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    RE: tying vise 2008/01/09 07:05:15 (permalink)
    so was i. i'm taking it slow, not trying to do too much at once. tying the larger flies first, before i try a size 22 midge. man it's hard enough tying the larger flies when my biga*s fingers get in the way. i think i should moistureize as well, my hands are all chipped and chapped from work. the thread gets stuck on my skin. anyway thanks for all the advise.

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    RE: tying vise 2008/01/09 09:07:06 (permalink)
    lmao nut you sound like me. cream on your hands helps a bit but not alot.
    good idea on the larger flys i can tye down to an 18 so far. just takes time and thread control.
    terraflytyingtools.com  that place is a good site good gear at a very reasonable price.
    by all means check it out.another site is flyguysflytyingtutorials.com,and of course flyanglersonline.com these sites and a few others have helped me alot. I still have loads to learn but that is the fun of it.Well how ever i can help pm me and i will try my best to get ya going. paul

    I didn't say these are the ten suggestions
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    RE: tying vise 2008/01/09 10:43:37 (permalink)
    hey guys 34 years old here. I have begin tying flys ever since i was 6 years old thanks to my father. I have begin using my fathers old vise that he purchased back in the 60's lol. Well needless to say it worn out after 2007 i can't even keep a size # 8 locked down in the vise for doing glo bugs. I hate to say it but time for a new one. The other vise has tied me thousands of flys over the years.....hate to see it go. I was wondering if anyone had any good vises in mind for me the smallest that i go down to is size 22's so any input be greatly appericated........thanks.
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    RE: tying vise 2008/01/09 13:59:06 (permalink)
    I have an HMH standard pedistal. IMO you cant beat it. It does tiny-large flies and is full rotary. You'll never wear out the jaws.
     
     
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    RE: tying vise 2008/01/10 09:06:42 (permalink)
    that depends center what are you willing to spend how fancy does it have to be
    norvise makes and excellant rotory vise.It turns on a true axis of the hook.
    also montana vises have some nice stuff out.Check out terraflytyingtools.com they have good stuff at a very reasonable price.I hope this helps.paul

    I didn't say these are the ten suggestions
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