San Juan Worms

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2007/04/08 11:17:29 (permalink)

San Juan Worms

Picked up a little knowledge yesterday from Doug at FFP.

Most patterns for the san juan worm I see call for chenelle. This is NOT the right material for this. The pattern is saposed to be tied with vernelle. The difference is vernelle is wound tighter, doesnt unravel, and holds form so its a little more rigid.

So....if it doesnt fall apart like chenelle, shouldnt we use it in woolybuggers and other paterns also? No! It does not wrap well due to the stiffness.

just a heads up!

post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/04/08 11:18:29
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    woodnickle
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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/08 11:31:36 (permalink)
    Thanks Jer. I need to hit a fly shop and do some shopping. My little kit only came with chenille, yel,green,brown. What is Harrop fine nat. dubbing used for?
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    jlh42581
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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/08 13:06:50 (permalink)
    Im not familiar with that company(Harrop)

    If its fine, I assume it doesnt have spikey little hairs in it. That would mainly be used for dry flies.

    Spikey = Nymphs
    Fine - Drys ( I prefer synthetics)


    You really can use eaither in eaither application, synthetics in drys add to flotation.
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    woodnickle
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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/08 13:09:03 (permalink)
    I have alot to learn. lol
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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/08 13:27:23 (permalink)
    Found this doing a little surfing around.This site has other tutorials that are really good.
     
     
    http://flyguysoutfitting.com/lwssuperjuan.html
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    woodnickle
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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/08 14:31:23 (permalink)
    Thanks beed. That was great. I,m really new at this and that realy helps. John
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    jlh42581
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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/08 16:45:41 (permalink)
    That pattern is a little extensive

    tie in thread(i use cream cause it disapears)

    at hookbend lash down vernielle
    Tie in some pink dubbing, or pink yarn, wrap thread forward, wrap yarn around hook while moving forward, tie off yarn, pull vernielle over, lash down, whip finish. Pull out of vise, run a ligter over the ends quickly to taper them without catching it on fire.
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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/08 20:49:11 (permalink)
    Ultra chenille is also dense.
     
    Here's Fred of York's IFP
     
    I've used this on steelies with success.
     
    http://www.flytyingworld.com/PagesF/pink_worm.htm

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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/08 21:14:14 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Mikastorm

     What is Harrop fine nat. dubbing used for?

     
    Harrop has to be Rene Harrop. A western innovative tyer. I've tied some of his cdc mayfly emergers. 
     
    And, If the package says natural, you'd think they would put what critter it came from.
     
    fine fur dubbing is better than coarse for slim boddies.
     usually used for small to medium sized dries and wee tiny nymphs.

     

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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/08 21:16:47 (permalink)
    Interesting stuff....I never tied my SJ worms with that much length

    I have the right to remain silent.....I just don't have the ability
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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/09 07:24:52 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: quietman
    Like the green weenie, you hate to use them, but they can be so effective you can't really afford not to have a few.


    hate to use them? they immitate caddis and inch worms so well what else is there to use?
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    RE: San Juan Worms 2007/04/09 13:34:54 (permalink)
    ultra chenille is the best to use.  I tied a really cool san juan pattern that I saw in a publication recently using a small strip of chamois from my old car drying rag...:)  It hardens when in the box but once it is wet, it has a nice fluttery appearance.
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