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2007/11/14 10:32:29 (permalink)

Strike Indicators

Certain water structure and conditions dictate the use of strike indicators, obviously.  What I want to know is what brand of Strike Indicators are the best in functionality?  I have experimented with so many and found some I like, some I dont.  I have been fishing the pill shaped rubberband floats that twist on to your tippet, they seem to work but just looking to see if there is anything out there thats a better choice. 
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    Bughawk
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 10:52:41 (permalink)
    I try very hard to avoid using strike indicators, but when I do need one, I don't use anything fancy, just the little styrofoam slip on ones you can pick up pretty much in any tackle shop.  I have even used the ones you can put the glo sticks in.  They seem to work fine.

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:00:43 (permalink)
    I like Fish Pimp indicators............I try to avoid the ones that use wooden and plastic sticks, they can tangle up you leader and thats not good, but I will use them when I find them on the creek, last year while fishing Elk there was a nice size blowdown, and it looked like an easter egg hunt there were so many indicators, havent had to buy one since........Aways keep your eyes open while walking the creeks, there no telling what you'll find....

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:14:29 (permalink)
    i make my own...
    i had a post about them a few weeks back...
    http://globalflyfisher.com/fishbetter/indicators/

    if you are fishing for smart fish... hard indicators scare them... you need something with a softer sillouette...
     
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:23:07 (permalink)
    Do those stay put are your leader pretty well? I haven't used any yarn indicators yet.
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:32:02 (permalink)
    hard indicators don't seem to scare the 1,000+ trout and steelies I catch every year.  I have my source for good cheap ones - but they are all out now...
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:35:51 (permalink)
    like I said... "smart fish"

    conditions in erie... cloudy/rainy/low winter light... makes it less of an issue
    but the styro... i think... makes it hard to pick light strikes
    yarn will show these light strikes

    pxatim-
    they seam to work well for me...
    i used the rubber glove trick that is in the link...
    post edited by KJH807 - 2007/11/14 11:39:20
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:47:26 (permalink)
    pxa, the ones that kjh makes are out of poly yarn. they do sell these in stores and they're great in slower water and drifted unweited or light weithed flies. i do use them sometimes. draw backs. you need to dab some fly floatent on them, in the winter fly floatent is hard. i found the neon or red and white bobbers scare the spookie fish and harder to detect soft hits and the steelies will feel the resistance from the bobbers. i use simple corks you can get at trader horn in a pkg. of different sizes. either cut a slit towards the middle. you can use a short tooth pick to hold your line tight OR get some of the spinner wire with eyes people make spinners with. cut these to lengh, push it all the way thru the cork and bend the snipped wire. loop your tippet thru the eye on the other end and use a split shot or lead matchstick to hold in place. the cork doesn't scare the fish, it looks like a stick floating. you can paint the top for better vis. if you want. just a suggestion. ~dt

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:53:16 (permalink)
    Good deal... I gather your just looping your leader through the o-ring and pulling the actual indicator part through the loop in your leader. And pulling tight. And they don't slide down your leader very much?
     
    Like doubletaper said... these will only work for lighter flys, so fishing say a mini-foo may be to much weight for it?
     
     
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:55:33 (permalink)
    I'll try some of these out. I never liked styrofoam or plastic indicators, and how they land/look in the water sometimes. I'm always looking to learn new tricks and try something new.
     
    They seem really cheap and easy to make also.
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:55:57 (permalink)
    In agreeance with KJH807 and his SMART FISH quote.......
     
    Here is and interesting article in Field and Stream awhile back.
     
    http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/fishing/photogallery/article/0,13355,1575804_7,00.html
     

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 11:59:10 (permalink)
    Yeah I read that awhile back also.... thought provoking
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 12:10:42 (permalink)
    that article is what promted my switch last year...
    also led me to do some reseach of my own on recent trips...

    wild fish will spook
    pellet heads... it is 50/50...

    the styro smack will clear a pool...
    yarn is great for summer sun...
     
    mini foo might be a bit much...
    i was speaking from fly perspective...
    post edited by KJH807 - 2007/11/14 12:11:12
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 12:14:11 (permalink)
    ALSO...
    balloons work well for stained water... and are the BEST for showing light strikes...

    I have never personally used one... but have fished with others who swear by them...
    i watched the slightest twitches showing with the balloon... never sink... good visability... can suspend a lot of shot...
    post edited by KJH807 - 2007/11/14 12:15:34
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 12:18:03 (permalink)
    I'm with Bughawk, I have taught myself to go without a strike indicator. About the only time that I use one is in higher water, fishing towards the opposite bank. If I am combat fishing, I will use a "stick-on" so the other soldiers know  where my drift is going.  Fishmonger 
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 12:22:35 (permalink)
    Yeah but with ballons and a little wind, I would imagine that is would be hard casting and it would be somewhat like a sail on the water.

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 12:33:42 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: fishmonger

    I'm with Bughawk, I have taught myself to go without a strike indicator. About the only time that I use one is in higher water, fishing towards the opposite bank. If I am combat fishing, I will use a "stick-on" so the other soldiers know  where my drift is going.  Fishmonger 

     
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 13:07:31 (permalink)
    I read your article too and it is BS.  Just my opinion dude.  You can have whatever opinion you want.  I just know what I've always used in a variety of conditions for different species of fish. 
    It is all how you work it and what you work it with brother...
     
    Wild Montana browns - 6 of us busted 100 per day this past summer using the indicators (hard) we've used for years.  Guides had their clients throwing balloons and yarn and I can't say I ever saw any of them hook a fish...  :)
     
     
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 13:26:00 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: TB

    I read your article too and it is BS.  Just my opinion dude.  You can have whatever opinion you want.  I just know what I've always used in a variety of conditions for different species of fish. 
    It is all how you work it and what you work it with brother...

    Wild Montana browns - 6 of us busted 100 per day this past summer using the indicators (hard) we've used for years.  Guides had their clients throwing balloons and yarn and I can't say I ever saw any of them hook a fish...  :)



     
    but.. with the yarn, i can make one in 30sec...
    on the water i can decide exactly how much float i need...
     
    i agree... drift presntation is key...
    maybe what you saw in MT was user error???
     
    since you are dropping names...
    100 per day??? for 6 people???  600 in a day??
    100 fish in what??? 10 hours (generous)
    fish every 6 mins... spread over 6 people... 1 fish EVERY min???
    it is hard to find water that will support a wild  brown population of 400 per mile...
    either you are batting .900+ or you were really on the move...
     
    can i hide in your suitcase next summer...
     

     
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 13:33:18 (permalink)
    I'm sure he meant 100 fish per day between six guys...... I was there and thats a conservative estimate.
     
    It's all preference some of the hard indi's are small enough to fish absolutly gin clear conditions... and if you are saavy enough you can detect the slightest take...
     
     Just my opinion.

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 14:13:57 (permalink)
    i agree with bughawk also. i pay attention and use my fly line as the indicater. i'm not a big fan of bobbers,oh indicaters, for fly fishing but there is the occassion. i suppose if u used a bobber most of your life it's a hard habit to kick. again it's all what works for you that's easy and brings you confidence. that's the key, being confident what you're using is going to work.....

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 14:30:58 (permalink)
    it would be great if you didn't have to use an idicator EVER...
    but that not realistic...
    IMO... someone worth their salt knows when and how to use them...
    if you want to sit on your high-horse claiming never having to use a "bobber"... fine


    this thread isn't questioning indicator vs. no idicator...

    it is looking to see what is best...
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 14:47:07 (permalink)
    I like to use Loon Strike putty.  It is really easy to apply and if done properly one pinch will last all day.  You are able to control the size you want very well, from the size of a BB all the way up to the size of a baseball and everywhere in between.  Since they are not as dense as hard indicators they land softer, reducing the chance of spooking fish.  The only drawback is if you choose to remove it, it will leave a residue on your line that can be a real pain to get off.
     
    As far as indicators spooking fish, they most certainly do in certain situations.  Small streams with low, clear water combined with wild fish....you will miss out on the opourtunity to catch the majority of these fish if using a hard indicator. 
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 15:58:35 (permalink)
    I only use indicators in deep holes or if I am using a single nymph.  Over the years I have found that a short piece of amnesia (red) - about 6 to 8 inches- tied to the end of the fly line can serve well as an indicator.  I attach my leader to the amnesia and then the tippet to the leader.  I just started using furled leaders and so far like them a lot.
     
    Anyway, I watch the red amnesia and when it stops or moves "funny", I pick up and feel for a fish.  Surprisingly, it works pretty well.
     
    One trick I learned in low and clear conditions is to tie on a bright glo bug or sucker spawn and then tie a nymph on as a dropper.  What I do is then watch the glo bug or sucker spawn as it moved through the water and when it stops, I lift the rod.  I guess the glo bug or sucker spawn are under water indicators, plus sometimes the fish will hit them.
     
    One last thing is the amount of weight you use.  I know I sound like a broken record, but more often than not, I have found that small adjustment in weight means the difference between catching fish or not catching fish.  If you have the right amount of weight, and a short drift, I have found indicators are not necessary and may even mess up the drift. 
     
    Now if we want to talk about float fishing with a drift rod, well.....  It is all about the float....

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 15:59:12 (permalink)
    BTW - the comments I made are for steelie fishing, not fishing for trout under other circumstances. 

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 16:26:27 (permalink)
    BUGHAWK, NEVER THOUGHT OF USING A GLO-BUG underwater as an indicator with a nymph! good one. i like it for steelies.... ~dt

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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 16:45:32 (permalink)
    I like the big ole Red and White ones about the size of a tennis ball.
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 16:46:52 (permalink)
    LOL   I still swear by the Snoopy Floats 

     



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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 17:07:18 (permalink)
    I like the white yarn all year round. They will actualy hold up 4-5 BB size S-shot.
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    RE: Strike Indicators 2007/11/14 17:43:39 (permalink)
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