PGC to discontinue Little J stocking

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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 20:29:48 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: fishfinder8

All i am saying is to watch what happens and read the wild trout water regulations. Is it going to stay catch and release? Fish are keep out of this water mostly around this time of year because of very little enforcement on this water. Then again in the middle of summer and fall when the officers are all working Raystown lake. All tackle can be used I just hope the wild population is sustainable. After all that is why they stocked the fingerlings in it in the first place. Time will tell with the fish that die after being caught and released and the amount of natural predation and heavy fishing pressure. I sure hope they can reproduce enough to keep the fishery at the level we are all use to. Their browns" not a natural fish to PA" Where are the fingerlings going that were raised for their? again we let the fish commission off. Oh well you are right on one thing the bugs will still be there.


I've been checked more times on the little J in the past 2 years by pfbc officers, than I have been checked in all my years combined on other waters.

I've fished the LJR 2-3 times per week every week since the first of the year, and can count on two hands the number of other anglers I've seen on the water. I sorta doubt there's much poaching going on. If you know otherwise, I hope you're reporting it.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 20:32:54 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter

I saw Army Corps of Engineers funding is going to be sliced in half in the near future. They were looking to eliminate some non-essential funding that included lock operations here in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't be suprised to see the USGS budget follow suit.

You wouldn't think those gauges are very expensive to run though....


I don't know much about them, but I assume they aren't very expensive to run. I'm going to call the phone number in Jon's post and find out about donating.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 20:44:02 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: thedrake


ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter

I saw Army Corps of Engineers funding is going to be sliced in half in the near future. They were looking to eliminate some non-essential funding that included lock operations here in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't be suprised to see the USGS budget follow suit.

You wouldn't think those gauges are very expensive to run though....


I don't know much about them, but I assume they aren't very expensive to run. I'm going to call the phone number in Jon's post and find out about donating.

 
If you find out, please let me know.  Donating would be less expensive than the drive to find out.

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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 22:34:55 (permalink)
Let me know about that drake.  Shawn - I drive by the river everyday so I can give updates.  But I'm not there until 4:30 pm so same day updates may not offer enough time for you.   Allan could tell you too if Dan is not around.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/16 05:45:45 (permalink)
I could be wrong on this but doesn't changing it to a wild designation increase the fines for potential pollution violators.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/16 10:10:43 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: SilverKype

Let me know about that drake.  Shawn - I drive by the river everyday so I can give updates.  But I'm not there until 4:30 pm so same day updates may not offer enough time for you.   Allan could tell you too if Dan is not around.

 
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/16 12:26:02 (permalink)
The cost of this may depend on how the website is being updated. Most gauges use satellite, although telephone and radio telemetry are used.

Besides actual repairs (which usgs still should be covering $$$ since they plan to update it every 6 weeks) overhead should be very small. I'm talking "cents" per update. Say it's 5 cents an update and it occurs once every 3 hours. That'd be $12 for a 30 day month. Don't know which method the little j gauge is updated with, or the costs associate with each. This should be "at cost" run-time, not like they are attempting to make a profit off each update. I would hope not. We will see...

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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/16 14:54:03 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: thedrake
I've fished the LJR 2-3 times per week every week since the first of the year, and can count on two hands the number of other anglers I've seen on the water. I sorta doubt there's much poaching going on. If you know otherwise, I hope you're reporting it.

How's it been fishing lately? I might be there next weekend, 10 days from now or whatever.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/16 15:45:09 (permalink)
It's been good. The snow melt hasn't increased the flow too much.

I was out on Sunday and Monday. Saw some fish working the surface.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/17 08:12:54 (permalink)
Catch any suc....
 
Sorry, I promised to be good.

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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/17 12:28:56 (permalink)
I've been checked more times on the little J in the past 2 years by pfbc officers, than I have been checked in all my years combined on other waters.

I've fished the LJR 2-3 times per week every week since the first of the year, and can count on two hands the number of other anglers I've seen on the water. I sorta doubt there's much poaching going on. If you know otherwise, I hope you're reporting it.

I have reported it and also have been to the DJ office in Alexandria and testified against the people involved. I have fished this water for years and have seen PFBC officers during the regular opening cluster trout days but have never been checked while fishing this stream. i have found areas back in away from the roads where so called fisherman (POACHERS) have cleaned their catch before transporting the fillets out of the area. I AM also aware of a group from Huntingdon County who grab their minnow buckets and fish this water late at night and its not catch and release for this crew its more like Hook and Cook. PFBC officers are aware of this situation and hopefully this will stop but they are limited as far as man power and they cant be everywhere all the time.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/17 12:37:33 (permalink)
Oh and one other thing to everyone on this board I am sorry for being serious about anything on here i see now this is not the place i thought it would be. I didn't realize it was a joke forum thought it was a fishing forum.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/17 15:46:11 (permalink)
We're too slow to be serious.  You said so yourself.
 
And if you ever saw us fish, you would know what a joke that is.

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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/22 11:16:20 (permalink)
I've been trying to call Bob Hainly from the usgs to find out about donating. I've got the same message over and over saying he's out of the office.

I'll pass the info on as soon as I get it.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/22 11:45:43 (permalink)
Was talking with a friend over the weekend who had a thought on the shutting down of the gauges. That is this - With all the fracking going on in PA, if you shut down the stream gauges, there will be no record of massive illegal water withdrawals by the million sof gallons. Is it a coincidence that the gauges are being shut down now?
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/22 12:19:39 (permalink)
It's funny you mentioned that. I friend of mine mentioned the same thing while we were fishing this weekend...
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/22 13:20:05 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: thedrake

It's funny you mentioned that. I friend of mine mentioned the same thing while we were fishing this weekend...

Yea, it seems too coincidental to be a coincidence. Because like mentioned earlier, it can't cost more than pennies to keep those gauges running once they are installed.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/22 14:20:42 (permalink)
Good point. Makes me wonder too. I actually see 5 cents per update as expensive. I was being pessimistic. I bet it's fractions of cent for each update.

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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/22 19:29:36 (permalink)
Obama is having them shut down    oh what did fisherman do when they didn't have computers to tell them the water conditions before they went fishing Will create more stagnate water for the sucker population.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/22 20:20:22 (permalink)
What interest would the USGS possibly have in allowing illegal water withdrawals?

The federal budget is a mess and some legiscritter who knows nothing about the gauge in question probably felt it wasn't necessary.

Keep in mind one well will require somewhere in the neighbor of 5 million gallons of water to complete the fracing(even though that assumes no reuse). A typical truck capacity is around 5500gal. That means it takes approximately 900(400-600 if reuse) trucks to bring in enough water to frac a well. Just a guess, but I think someone living along the river would notice the increase in traffic at some point even if it were withdrawn over the course of a month.

I don't see any benefit for them to sneak a truck here and there, and the river would barely notice it. Even if they did, the pump would be taking around 500gpm, which equates to a little over 1cfs for around 10 minutes. The gauge wouldn't even detect the drop.

Permits can be obtained with ease(depending on watershed classification) to withdraw the water required to frac a well. Permits do come with an application fee of $25 I believe though.

Sorry, but I don't see any Little J water thieving conspiracies coming from this.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/24 08:31:38 (permalink)
If it is truly a funding issue, make access to certain stream gauge information a pay service on the website (nominal fee of a buck a month or something less/more depending on expected response) and fund the gauges that way.  Should be enough interested parties to pay as you go for those and the fees will be minimal for the info. received.  If it saves you one trip to the stream/river when it was unfishable, most likely you got your money's worth in the gas savings alone. 
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/03/02 12:27:30 (permalink)

Hainly said it costs the USGS about $17,000 a year to operate each gauge.
 
The agency is currently looking for other funding sources to make up for the lost federal allocation, he said. That includes seeking direct contributions from the public.
 
Hainly said anyone who uses the gauge data who wishes to contribute should contact him at 717-730-6971 or by e-mail at rahainly@usgs.gov


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http://wcexaminer.com/index.php/archives/news/21881
 
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/03/04 07:55:09 (permalink)
I would love to see the justification for $17,000 a year. Maybe they pay scuba steve to text them the results. Must be ancient technology.

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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/03/04 09:25:48 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: SilverKype

I would love to see the justification for $17,000 a year. Maybe they pay scuba steve to text them the results. Must be ancient technology.

Yea, that's a ridiculous high figure. Most of it, I'm sure is maintenance, wages, fuel, etc. But no way it's 17k per year.
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/03/29 12:22:43 (permalink)
I was checking to see what the water was like (starting to think Grannoms way too early -- LOL) and this was posted on the Little J USGS site.
 
STATION.--01558000 LITTLE JUNIATA RIVER AT SPRUCE CREEK, PA
NOTICE UPDATE (03/15/2011) Funding to continue data collection and/or real-time data delivery at this streamgage has been secured to continue its full operation through September 30, 2011, the end of the current federal fiscal year. Questions or comments can be directed to Bob Hainly, Assistant Director of the USGS Pennsylvania Water Science Center, at 717-730-6971 or by e-mail at rahainly@usgs.gov.

 
So it looks like we can get through the better part of this season anyway.

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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/03/31 12:28:14 (permalink)
It looks like the broke arse state is funding many of the gauges temporarily.
 

Funding has been obtained to keep river and stream flood gauges operating at least through the summer.
 
Bob Hainly, assistant director of the U.S. Geological Survey’s Pennsylvania Water Science Center, said the state Department of Environmental Protection has allocated about $270,000 to operate the gauges through the end of the federal fiscal year, which is Sept. 30.
 
“All of the targeted stream gauges in Pennsylvania will stay on line,” Hainly said.
 
 
http://wcexaminer.com/index.php/archives/news/22328
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RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/04/07 23:15:33 (permalink)
Based on the survey by the PA F&BC there were a very small percentage of the trout which were of fingerling origin. I think one of the biggest benefits was making the fishery catch and release
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