PGC to discontinue Little J stocking

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2011/01/30 18:20:09 (permalink)

PGC to discontinue Little J stocking

Thought yinz might be interested in this article.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11030/1121474-358.stm
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    thedrake
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/01/30 20:00:23 (permalink)
    I figured this would happen since the biologist's report looked so good. I remember talking with the local fish commission officer a couple of years ago about wild trout numbers. His stance was that the fingerlings were supporting the fish population of the LJR. I disagreed.

    It's going to be funny if the clubs have to stop stocking spruce.
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/01/31 08:51:21 (permalink)
    I see in the article that the author mentioned there might be some impact on the private waters on Spruce, but he didn't say what or how.  I would imagine, and I might be very wrong here, that for the areas that are completely private on Spruce that the owners of those sections could basically stock what they wanted, much like a private pond, since those areas would not be designated as approved trout waters.
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/01 13:29:10 (permalink)
    You may be right, Shawn. It was the quote below that made me wonder about the stocking of Spruce, but it doesn't mention what exactly they mean by "consequences". It will be interesting to find out.


    "Now that same stretch of the Little Juniata River in Huntingdon County, at the juncture of Spruce Creek in the town that bears its name, is making news again after the Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission voted last week to change its designation to "wild trout stream." Such a rating will end the state stocking of trout fingerlings and could have potential consequences for the private stocking of Spruce Creek, which empties into the newly designated stream section."
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/01 13:40:51 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: thedrake

    You may be right, Shawn. It was the quote below that made me wonder about the stocking of Spruce, but it doesn't mention what exactly they mean by "consequences". It will be interesting to find out.


    "Now that same stretch of the Little Juniata River in Huntingdon County, at the juncture of Spruce Creek in the town that bears its name, is making news again after the Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission voted last week to change its designation to "wild trout stream." Such a rating will end the state stocking of trout fingerlings and could have potential consequences for the private stocking of Spruce Creek, which empties into the newly designated stream section."


     
     
    I am rarely right.
     
    But that's how I read it too.  If the author didn't supply what those potential consequences might be, then I would take that as wishful thinking on his part as therapy for a severe case of scarcity mentality.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/01 14:04:20 (permalink)
    I'm wondering what the wild trout designation means as far as regulations. Hopefully, barbless hooks are required. That's the change I would like to see.
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/01 14:15:12 (permalink)
    I'm cool with that.
     
    I would also hope that as part of the wild trout designation that the sulphur spinner fall be required to start no later than 6 PM.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/02 09:45:19 (permalink)
    ...and the tricos no earlier than 9 AM.
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/02 11:47:36 (permalink)
    BINGO!

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/02 16:24:04 (permalink)
    Dan ,
    did they make mention about the wild sucker population ? Do you 2 guys think that the j sustains enough natural reproduction to cease stocking ? This is interesting.
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/03 07:10:07 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: troutslammer

    Dan ,
    did they make mention about the wild sucker population ? Do you 2 guys think that the j sustains enough natural reproduction to cease stocking ? This is interesting.

     
    I'll defer to Dan since he fishes the J more and is a Sucker god.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/13 20:03:29 (permalink)
    You guys are really not that slow are ya? it means nothing but the FISH COMMISSION IS NOT GOING TO STOCK IT ANYMORE WITH FINGERLINGS. That surprises you how? All it means is the PFC is not going to support this fishery.
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/14 10:05:40 (permalink)
    The fishery doesn't need the stocking. It's C&R and full of wild fish. Why put stockers in with wild trout?

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/14 10:26:36 (permalink)
    I am really that slow.
     
    I didn't even notice we were joking about changng the regulations for better hatch timing.
     
    Now I get it.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/14 10:48:47 (permalink)
    I wasn't joking about hatch timing.
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/14 12:23:30 (permalink)
    so they are no longer stocking green drakes??

    thats a shame



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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/14 12:28:04 (permalink)
    Nope.  Not even slates.
     
    What are we going to do.  What are we going to do?

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/14 12:46:41 (permalink)
    They're stopping all of the elk hair caddis stocking too.

    Also, stocking will be discontinued for the griffiths knats.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/14 14:48:23 (permalink)
    Shawn are you going to fish nymphs if they quite stocking drys ( that I would like to see )
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/14 16:07:39 (permalink)
    No. 
     
    I have principles, you know.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/14 19:26:42 (permalink)
    Hey dan maybe thats why i didn't do so well this past weekend i thought they were still stocking rainbows there. I was using hot pink flys for the fresh rainbows. This explains my poor performance then they are wild trout .....**** ! Oh well i still had a blast fishing with ya and some of those big FAT LIPPED browns were real torpedos !
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 09:22:16 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: flyfishindave

    Shawn are you going to fish nymphs if they quite stocking drys ( that I would like to see )

     
    You don't really want to witness me fishing sub surface.  Its not pretty.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 12:52:30 (permalink)
    All i am saying is to watch what happens and read the wild trout water regulations. Is it going to stay catch and release? Fish are keep out of this water mostly around this time of year because of very little enforcement on this water. Then again in the middle of summer and fall when the officers are all working Raystown lake. All tackle can be used I just hope the wild population is sustainable. After all that is why they stocked the fingerlings in it in the first place. Time will tell with the fish that die after being caught and released and the amount of natural predation and heavy fishing pressure. I sure hope they can reproduce enough to keep the fishery at the level we are all use to. Their browns" not a natural fish to PA" Where are the fingerlings going that were raised for their? again we let the fish commission off. Oh well you are right on one thing the bugs will still be there.
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 13:53:10 (permalink)
    Time will tell what is going to happen with the little j and if its able to sustain a wild population. We may not know the outcome for another decade. 1,2, or even 3 years isn't going to tell the story. The river doesn't have the gravel that spruce or spring creek has but it has some, and alot of good tribs with good spawning habitat.

    If it's expected to be self sustaining, hooks should be barbless. There are still folks that don't know it's C & R. While arrogance is no excuse for not knowing the law, I feel C & R signs should be posted at parking lots, not just on trees that get hidden often by vegetation. I would have no problem lending a hand in making signs more visible.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 14:55:21 (permalink)
    Stop trying to make sense.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 15:07:49 (permalink)
    Sorry.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 15:43:16 (permalink)
    Okay this time, but watch it.

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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 15:46:32 (permalink)
    okay.

    Here's some little j news.

    STATION.--01558000 LITTLE JUNIATA RIVER AT SPRUCE CREEK, PA

    NOTICE (02/04/2011) In the near future, real-time data delivery from this streamgage may be discontinued due to funding reductions from partner agencies. Historic data (where available) will remain accessible and, unless one or more new funding partners are found, collected data will only be posted to the web on approximate 6-week intervals. Users who are willing to contribute funding to continue real-time delivery of this gage data should contact Bob Hainly, Assistant Director of the USGS Pennsylvania Water Science Center, at 717-730-6971 or by e-mail at rahainly@usgs.gov.


    http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?01558000




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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 18:06:20 (permalink)
    I heard about the usgs gauge a couple weeks ago. I wonder how much $ they need to keep it running.
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    RE: PGC to discontinue Little J stocking 2011/02/15 19:57:32 (permalink)
    I saw Army Corps of Engineers funding is going to be sliced in half in the near future. They were looking to eliminate some non-essential funding that included lock operations here in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't be suprised to see the USGS budget follow suit.

    You wouldn't think those gauges are very expensive to run though....
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