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2007/03/18 16:45:24 (permalink)

Smallie patterns

Anyone have any suggestions on a decent fly pattern for Smallmouths in a river?  The area has swift current and a rocky bottom.  I'd assume any type of crayfish pattern or some type of darter looking streamer would work.  Anyone have any ideas of sweet looking patterns?
 
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    Skip16503
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/18 19:18:04 (permalink)
    SK
     
      I just talked to a Guide on the Clarion yesterday He told me Clousers and Deceivers are his best patterns.  Chartreuse and white
     
    Hope that helped
     
     

     



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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/18 19:46:33 (permalink)
    I've used clousers with great success on both the Clarion and Yough.
     
    Larger buggers also worked well on the Yough.

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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/18 19:55:14 (permalink)
    Kev  do you fish the Clarion for Smallies much I'm going to be there in the middle of June for a week and want to latch onto a few

     



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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/18 23:51:03 (permalink)
    I don't claim to be an expert (yet ), but smallies and muddler minnows seem to go synonymous with each other.
    post edited by ronnie84 - 2007/03/18 23:53:27
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/19 08:21:54 (permalink)
    Yeah, I've heard good things about Muddler Minnows and clousers, and I've used deceivers with some success on the yough.  I guess my problem lies more in the size of the body of water.  The Yough is a pretty wide river.  Gives me fits trying to cast down there. 
     
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/19 11:31:36 (permalink)
    I was looking at a maraboo  muddler pattern the other day that might be a good idea.  It seemed pretty easy to tie.  If I get a chance I will see if I can find the recipe and picture.

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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/19 11:59:33 (permalink)
    Sweet Bug, that sounds like a great pattern.  I plan on really spending some time fly fishing the river.  Although with gaining boat access last summer, I've spent a lot of time on the big rivers chasing hybrids and such.
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/20 05:43:31 (permalink)
    I have had good success using Clousers in the Yough.  I also use a Black Ghost pattern with a brass cone head that has it's days.  Buggers work well at times also.  I have never tried to tie muddlers, but am planning on doing so.  I would like to see this marabou muddler also.
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/20 09:49:48 (permalink)
    I found the pattern.  Basically I will try to describe it to you.

    The tail is a small bit of maraboo - they used red.
    The body is wound gold tinsel
    The wing is a larger bit of yellow maraboo tied on the top of the hook just behind the head
    The head was spun deer hair amd cut in the style typical of a muddler

    The fly actually looked to be pretty easy to tie.  I think they were using a size 8 streamer hook
     
    This picture is similar to the one I saw...
     
    post edited by Bughawk - 2007/03/20 09:52:56

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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/20 10:02:21 (permalink)
    If you're going to do a little bouncing on the bottom, you should consider flies that ride hook-point-up.
    My go to is a black bugger with red/black dumbbell eyes tied ontop the shank on a down-eye #6 streamer hook.
    Many hook ups on the drift but then you can also jig and/or retrieve.
     
     
     
     Forgot to add.
    Tail is two times the body length.
    post edited by dano - 2007/03/22 05:10:01

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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/20 10:59:09 (permalink)
    Good Idea Dano...  No sense in making a fly that is going to get caught up on the bottom all the time.  I guess you could add a little weight to it with some lead foil if you wanted it to get down faster.

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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 15:58:23 (permalink)
    Sweet pattern Bug, if I didn't spin yarn like a 4 year old, I might try it.  I have a bunch of buggers and clousers and the like.  I also have some bunny tail leeches, those look pretty wicked in the water.  I need to get some sweet crayfish patterns for the Yough.
     
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 16:06:41 (permalink)
    Smallie, you should have gotten in on that Bass fly swap.  I've got a great crayfish stuck to my board to copy.  
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 16:13:03 (permalink)
    http://www.fishusa.com/Discussion2/viewthread.asp?page=2&pagesize=40&forum=AMB_AP636824025&id=181657
     
     
    I tied a crayfish pattern for a recent bass flyswap. A picture is in the link above.
     
    Pattern:
    Claws: Fox squirrel tail, or red/orange died mallard flank
    Antenni: olive spanflex
    Shellback: red or brown furryfoam
    underbody: red or brown chennile, or a march brown dubbing loop
    Ribbing for body segments: Heavy mono
     
    I use the pattern for bass on the juniata and do very well with it.
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 17:06:06 (permalink)
    I think your benefit with maribou is that you cut down your tying steps not that its more effective. You lose the dorsil fin on the maribou pattern, i think that may be a negative in my book. Ive tied it with a zonker strip as well, it just doesnt look as nice to me without the turkey in the tail and overwing.

    One bad feature of the muddler is the hair head, which floats. Alot of guys have went to the woolhead sculpin for the fact it sucks up water and gets to the bottom fast. Ive seen artilcles where they say to fish it just below the surface. I have news for those guys. In the feeding lies video I told you all about, the sculpin hugs the bottom tight. That tapered head uses the force of the water to push it on the bottom, while the peck fins control pitch and yaw. The way they use them the head/fin combo makes a wedge in the water driving them to the bottom. One other thing I noticed is the muddler doesnt have a mottled head. They dont have bright heads, the whole body is mottled, color it with some markers. And the eyes are huge, yet most patterns use no eyes whatsoever.
    post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/03/21 17:09:59
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 17:11:23 (permalink)
    Ever add mono eyes to that dano?
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 18:23:05 (permalink)
    No, but Greg has. Apparently, he put the eyes on the wrong side of the hook and it stayed upside down in the water.

    I do often weight the fly with some lead wire.
    post edited by thedrake - 2007/03/21 18:24:15
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 18:27:25 (permalink)
    Sorry,
     wrong dano
    I see that I have to pay more attention.
    post edited by dano - 2007/03/22 05:11:47

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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 18:46:47 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: jlh42581

    Ever add mono eyes to that dano?

     
    I thought you were asking me, since you've called me dano before. I also didnt realize you wrote "mono eyes" and I, for some reason was thinking lead eyes. I think I'm losing my mind....or maybe I already lost it. lol
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 19:03:04 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: thedrake

    ORIGINAL: jlh42581

    Ever add mono eyes to that dano?


    I thought you were asking me, since you've called me dano before. I also didnt realize you wrote "mono eyes" and I, for some reason was thinking lead eyes. I think I'm losing my mind....or maybe I already lost it. lol

     
     
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 19:26:34 (permalink)
    Here are a few that work for me.  A crayfish, sculpin, yellow and white muddlers.
    post edited by Green Weenie - 2007/03/21 20:35:46
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/21 20:28:15 (permalink)
    Dan - thedrake... i was refering to you, lol but i should pay attention more. My bad, sorry guys.
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/22 05:07:14 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: jlh42581

    Dan - thedrake... i was refering to you, lol but i should pay attention more. My bad, sorry guys.

     
     
     
     
    OOPS..... I guess I'm the idiot. LOL
     I get that way.

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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/22 21:26:25 (permalink)
    How about this, tied by yours truely tonight

    sorry its so fuzzy, this camera blows



    See skip, spinning that hair!
    post edited by jlh42581 - 2007/03/22 21:27:28
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/22 21:27:18 (permalink)
    Cool   Man you gotta get a camera  Doesn't your cam have a macro feature???
    post edited by Skip16503 - 2007/03/22 21:28:16

     



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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/23 07:37:56 (permalink)
    Im pretty sure it doesnt have one, its a cheap kodak my fianece got for christmas a few years ago. My buddy Jason is quite the photographer. He said he will come over any time I want and do sequences or finished shots of flies for me. Plus... I just got this new canon camcorder. When I get a tripod, im gonna do some quick 5-10 minute ties and try to post them on youtube.
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/23 07:40:14 (permalink)
    I just started the multiple colored hair, without anyone showing me how to do it, doesnt seem bad, and seems right. I just pinch, hold it in place and wrap it like im gonna let it spin without letting the hair spin, just flare. Is that right?
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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/23 07:44:20 (permalink)
    You got it   Its not spiining then its stacking and it looks like you got it

     



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    RE: Smallie patterns 2007/03/27 19:45:30 (permalink)
    I have a few Marabou Muddlers that a friend tied me that I am planning on using for smallies.  I think that they would fish ok because any weight would be on the leader above the fly and the fly would be hovering.

    Do any of you fish local streams for smallies.  I caught one by accident on elk last year and was wonderring if there in there in any numbers. I should say, other that at and around the mouths.
    post edited by mgolf92 - 2007/03/27 19:49:45
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