Smallie patterns

SK
 
  I just talked to a Guide on the Clarion yesterday He told me Clousers and Deceivers are his best patterns.  Chartreuse and white
 
Hope that helped
 
 

Kev  do you fish the Clarion for Smallies much I'm going to be there in the middle of June for a week and want to latch onto a few

Yeah, I've heard good things about Muddler Minnows and clousers, and I've used deceivers with some success on the yough.  I guess my problem lies more in the size of the body of water.  The Yough is a pretty wide river.  Gives me fits trying to cast down there. 
 
SK

Sweet Bug, that sounds like a great pattern.  I plan on really spending some time fly fishing the river.  Although with gaining boat access last summer, I've spent a lot of time on the big rivers chasing hybrids and such.

I found the pattern.  Basically I will try to describe it to you.

The tail is a small bit of maraboo - they used red.
The body is wound gold tinsel
The wing is a larger bit of yellow maraboo tied on the top of the hook just behind the head
The head was spun deer hair amd cut in the style typical of a muddler

The fly actually looked to be pretty easy to tie.  I think they were using a size 8 streamer hook
 
This picture is similar to the one I saw...
 

Good Idea Dano...  No sense in making a fly that is going to get caught up on the bottom all the time.  I guess you could add a little weight to it with some lead foil if you wanted it to get down faster.

Smallie, you should have gotten in on that Bass fly swap.  I've got a great crayfish stuck to my board to copy.  

I think your benefit with maribou is that you cut down your tying steps not that its more effective. You lose the dorsil fin on the maribou pattern, i think that may be a negative in my book. Ive tied it with a zonker strip as well, it just doesnt look as nice to me without the turkey in the tail and overwing.

One bad feature of the muddler is the hair head, which floats. Alot of guys have went to the woolhead sculpin for the fact it sucks up water and gets to the bottom fast. Ive seen artilcles where they say to fish it just below the surface. I have news for those guys. In the feeding lies video I told you all about, the sculpin hugs the bottom tight. That tapered head uses the force of the water to push it on the bottom, while the peck fins control pitch and yaw. The way they use them the head/fin combo makes a wedge in the water driving them to the bottom. One other thing I noticed is the muddler doesnt have a mottled head. They dont have bright heads, the whole body is mottled, color it with some markers. And the eyes are huge, yet most patterns use no eyes whatsoever.

No, but Greg has. Apparently, he put the eyes on the wrong side of the hook and it stayed upside down in the water.

I do often weight the fly with some lead wire.

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Ever add mono eyes to that dano?

 
I thought you were asking me, since you've called me dano before. I also didnt realize you wrote "mono eyes" and I, for some reason was thinking lead eyes. I think I'm losing my mind....or maybe I already lost it. lol

Here are a few that work for me.  A crayfish, sculpin, yellow and white muddlers.

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Dan - thedrake... i was refering to you, lol but i should pay attention more. My bad, sorry guys.

 
 
 
 
OOPS..... I guess I'm the idiot. LOL
 I get that way.

Cool   Man you gotta get a camera  Doesn't your cam have a macro feature???

I just started the multiple colored hair, without anyone showing me how to do it, doesnt seem bad, and seems right. I just pinch, hold it in place and wrap it like im gonna let it spin without letting the hair spin, just flare. Is that right?

I have a few Marabou Muddlers that a friend tied me that I am planning on using for smallies.  I think that they would fish ok because any weight would be on the leader above the fly and the fly would be hovering.

Do any of you fish local streams for smallies.  I caught one by accident on elk last year and was wonderring if there in there in any numbers. I should say, other that at and around the mouths.