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2009/01/27 09:10:41 (permalink)

Inclusion passed 4/3

Waiting for details.  Sunset provision for 2012, no magnified optics.

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    SilverKype
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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 09:28:08 (permalink)
    This is a smart move by the BOC.  It keeps the legislation out of it, and if crossbows negatively impact anything in the coming years, it can be removed.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 09:31:22 (permalink)
    I agree totally Siver and I have been looking for some compromise and am very satisfied with the thought that went into this. 

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 09:34:42 (permalink)
    You going to have to buy a new scope ?
     
    I'm assuming the no magnified scopes thing would be statewide now.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 09:39:26 (permalink)
    Yep, was looking to ditch the 4X power anyway in favor of a red-dot.  Don't like that much magnification up close.  The deer I shot this year was blurry in my sight picture plus it is difficult to follow the flight of the bolt through magnified optics.
     
    Lets hope the PGC has taken some notes and uses this opportunity to gather some insightful data as we move forward.  In 2012 I expect to see some thorough reports.  I would be extrememly disappointed if not so.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 09:49:19 (permalink)
    There would be a major uproar from the folks in the center part of the state that purchased crossbows if this is voted down in 2012.  I don't think it's that'll ever happen.  However, Palone, Isabella, Boop, and Schleiden will be gone by then.
     
    I have a feeling the entire state, excluding the SRA's, will be going to one week doe season in the near future.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 10:13:03 (permalink)
    I TOLD YOU SO
     
     
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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 10:13:32 (permalink)
    I agree Silver.  I just noticed that my post ended up after Dr. trout's.  I was responding to your post not his.
    post edited by dpms - 2009/01/27 12:07:32

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 11:21:20 (permalink)
    Pretty big embarassment for the 'independent' PGC trout.  The testimony numbers were clear what hunters wanted and what drove the PGC's decision.  After all this debate only 3-4 actual crossbow hunters showed up to testify.   You're 'happy' the legislator gets to make the decisions ?  Very sad trout.
     
    Now you can go hunt a rutting buck with a crossbow, despite stating hunting shouldn't occur during breeding. 

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 12:10:18 (permalink)
    I have to say that I am very surprised.  I did not believe support was there for a optics ammendment and I would be very curious who proposed the sunset clause? Anyone?
     
    Those against crossbow inclusion really were effective in rallying the troups and I did not see a great upwelling of support from average joe/jane archer.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 12:16:30 (permalink)
    Schreffler did.
     
    I think the original amendment was no scopes.  He stated a while back at a meeting with his WCO's here locally that he'd 'probably' vote against xbows if no one adopted his amendment.   No mention of the sunset and no magnification then.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 13:13:46 (permalink)
    Doesn't sound like the red dot scopes will be legal.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 13:23:59 (permalink)
    Why not?  What I read was non-magnified.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 13:31:39 (permalink)
    Oh my!!  Just saw that elsewhere.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 13:37:47 (permalink)
    So all the disabled permit holders that have scopes have to get new sights....Kinda hosed those fellas....

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 13:48:59 (permalink)
    Will have to wait for the press release for clarification but you could be right and that is not good. 
     
    Heck, open sights are not even an option on my crossbow.  I could be out $650.  Don't know what I would do but I care more for those with disabled permits now and their dilemma if this is the wording. 

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 13:49:45 (permalink)
    That's the way it sounds bings.  More will probably be addressed in April.
     
    Not to change the subject, but it sounds like inlines in flintlock are on the radar now.  
     
    I slowly see high powered rifles being pushed out of PA someday.  First the entire SRA's and on and on.  It's begun in some areas.
     
     
     
     
     

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 14:45:55 (permalink)
    Not to change the subject, but it sounds like inlines in flintlock are on the radar now. 
     
     
    Man with the new in'lines they have that would pound what was left of the herd..
     
    Buddies of mine that hunt with flint do alot more shooting than hitting...They have a ball...
     
     
    Hopefully it will all work out for the better...I think taking the optics out of the equation will cost them a few new recruits...Should slow down the long rangers too..Tough to shoot over 50 yds with pins and peeps..

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 16:36:13 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

    I TOLD YOU SO




     
    Now you can push for baiting since it will be real easy.
     
    This is a travesty to the state. Three times the people who were against it versus a small few supporters of it. If one person one the board(Godshall) was not there, this would have never been passed.
     
     
    Get ready for deer drives with crossguns. Let me be the first to say "I told you so."
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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 16:46:59 (permalink)
    I guess that means that Doc can continue his love fest with the PGC since he got what he wanted.
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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 17:16:39 (permalink)
    The clarification has come.  Non-magnified optics are legal.
     
    There is talk of a ammendment at the April meeting to allow magnification for disabled hunters. 

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 17:18:00 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: gobyking

     Let me be the first to say "I told you so."

     
    Nope.  I have been saying it for a long time.  Have seen them a few times myself.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 17:25:20 (permalink)
    Why should magnification be allowed for disabled hunters, unless they have an eyesight disability??? If a hunter has a bad arm what gives them the right to a 3 x 9 x 40 scope ???
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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 17:28:43 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: psu_fish

    Why should magnification be allowed for disabled hunters, unless they have an eyesight disability??? If a hunter has a bad arm what gives them the right to a 3 x 9 x 40 scope ???
      Kinda hard to get a wheelchair in a tree stand

     



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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 17:29:32 (permalink)
    So, crossbows are in for full inclusion during 6wk archery season but no magnified scopes are allowed? Is this correct?
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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 17:54:47 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: nightowl207

    So, crossbows are in for full inclusion during 6wk archery season but no magnified scopes are allowed? Is this correct?

    allowed? Is this correct?




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    "Also, before giving the measure final approval, the Board adopted an amendment to prohibit the use of magnifying scopes for archery equipment and crossbows during the archery bear and deer seasons. The use of non-magnifying scopes – such as those that provide a red dot for sighting purposes – will continue to be legal."
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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/27 22:12:00 (permalink)
    WoW!!!
    dpms and "Kype,
    Thanks for the updates.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/28 08:15:09 (permalink)
    Here's an interesting piece from the mod. of huntingpa--
     
     
    Read it a couple times.. and carefully
     
     
    Found out late last week about some legislative interference. Possible, maybe, for sure - take your pick. As promised, this is PA wildlife management where nearly everything is settled except for legislative interference.


    As it stands, or stood last Friday, legislation was prepared to be introduced to make crossbows legal if the BOC voted against inclusion. Complete with a list of co-sponsors. I hear one side clapping -

    Warning - this is not a mirror image!!

    As it stands, or stood last Friday, legislation was prepared to be introduced to make crossbows illegal if the BOC voted for inclusion. Complete with a list of co-sponsors. I hear one side clapping -

    This may not be over. No one is sure how the split decision is going to play in the halls of our elected class.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/28 08:46:29 (permalink)
    Which is a concern that I had been expressing as the vote drew closer.  This issue seems to have fractured many relationships and not sure complete healing will ever occur. 
     
    Tough times ahead with more legislative pressure than what has already been exerted over the past several years.

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    RE: Inclusion passed 4/3 2009/01/28 09:15:20 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: dpms

    Which is a concern that I had been expressing as the vote drew closer.  This issue seems to have fractured many relationships and not sure complete healing will ever occur. 

    Tough times ahead with more legislative pressure than what has already been exerted over the past several years.

     
     
    Looks like you've finally begun to see the light dpms.  I've seen where you've called Muldoon's statements venom in recent past.  
     
    The question has recently been asked that, considering the actions of the Board of Commissioners on the crossbow proposal, the recommendations of PGC Staff and the lack of science, biology, and means to accurately collect data is this not an effort to destroy an organization? And while no one will likely ever know the truth of the matter it certainly should give pause to consider any current or future “partnership” of bowhunters with the Pennsylvania Game Commission; because if the truth were indeed brought to light it would quite likely verify what many already suspect about who really pulls the strings on this “independent” agency. Perhaps it is truly for the better for bowhunters and, in the long-term, all sportsmen that the PGC become a bona fide function of government that answers directly to the governor. Perhaps then the legislature would be forced to take full accountability for their presently obscure actions in exercising full and complete control over what can presently hardly be called scientific wildlife management, or even socially responsible wildlife management in this state. Perhaps then no one would be urinating on your neck while telling you it is raining, and each bowhunter could actually cast a real vote that does count.

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