Gene pool and antler restrictions

Saw the biggest four point I've ever seen a few nights ago. Had about 10" tines(fairly wide also) and his head was to the ground the whole way tracking a hot doe. This was a mature deer and was big bodied. 
 
 
If this buck is not allowed to be taken by the minimum amount of points on one side, does that mean a better possibility of his offspring having the same antler characteristics?
 
If that is the case, wouldn't antler restrictions statewide contribute to a genetically less than perfect herd over time?
 
Just something I was thinking about since I haven't seen a legal buck yet.

I find this post a bit ironic. Last week while driving through Waterford, I saw a giant 4 pt as well. Biggest rack I've seen on a y. I got an up close look as he almost came through my windshield. Big bodied deer. My guess is 2 1/2 yrs or more.

Bing, i have yet to see an antler!

I saw a button buck on the first day.  He may have gone 75 pounds.  I'm pretty sure he wasn't 2.5 years old.

I've only seen bucks this year, only one was legal and I took him.

Saw a HUGE 6 point. He stuck around me for an hour, I've never been so angry and excited at the same time. (Remember, first year archery, never had deer so close to me before)

Isin't it true, that deer could drop down in size after injury?

Maybe he was injured, and I don't think injuries are in genetics, maybe they are?

Keep pushing Jermey, shoot a 30567884 point. And rub it in our faces!

Can I add my two cents to the genetics discussion that has some people thinking that having only the older mature bucks do most of the breeding, that they should produce the better bucks in the future. Your genes don't change; do they? If age makes the difference; then my off-spring at my age of 62 would be superior to your off-spring sired by you at a much younger age. Hugh Hefner should be able to sire some super-babies then. My point is that given enough time and proper food that even the off-spring of a 4 pt. can develop into a very decent antlers deer.

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ORIGINAL: S-10

Hummmm, sure would like to find the cave they are hiding in. 

 
Come on down to Washington and Allegheny county.  I would estimate that I have seen two legal bucks to every non-legal this year while in the woods.
 
 

If you watch enough of these shows in the morning, and see the giants that they harvest its due to the ranches managing the herds, not the state....These guys in Texas have a good thing going with the gov to manage their own deer herds on large properties....Yes it would be great if PA grew only huge 8pt bucks, but in reality i think alot of guys have switched over to antlerless hunting...
 
In theory the antler restriction works if executed properly, but when does that ever happen...but these places with giants dont have cars knocking out animals on a regular basis like PA does.

ORIGINAL: dpms

ORIGINAL: S-10

Hummmm, sure would like to find the cave they are hiding in. 

Come on down to Washington and Allegheny county.  I would estimate that I have seen two legal bucks to every non-legal this year while in the woods.

 
Parent's house in Allegheny county has some real monsters roaming by it i have seen probaly 5 deer in this area that easily were over 150lbs all with 8pts or more...Most recent one was few weeks ago monster 12pt deer bedded down in the backyard....Looked like he belonged in Field and Stream..
 
NO ACCESS THOUGH!...the only thing controlling the deer herd in this area is the traffic....People complain about deer eating their bushes, and running out in front of their cars, but refuse to let a hunter gain access into the woods...Its pretty bad...Ive even tried to bribe my way in with walleye fillets with no success!
 
The areas that are easily accessed for hunting are really over hunted in my opinion...If it meets the antler restrictions BOOM down it goes....Theres enough guys in the woods opening day that they are pushing the deer all day and if they are running for their lives they are bound to cross the path of someones gun eventually.

I don't know if that 4 point will ever get bigger but I do know if you get out early and spend time in the woods you are going to have a good chance of bagging a decent buck. I missed a nice 8 poingt with a 18 or 19 inside spread on Saturday. I seen a nice 12 point with a 20-22 inch inside spread, also a 10 point with around a 15-16 inch inside spread and many other bucks that were legal to kill. Now in the same woods I seen a 4 point with a spread of about 12 inches but it was young. These were all in Butler County where Im have hunted for many years. I did kill a few nice bucks there but none like I'm seeing on a regular basis. In our area the AR's are working. I passed up a button buck at 10 yards and a nice 8 point with around a 16 inch spread at 5 yards today. I left the 8 point go because I know my chances are good of bagging a larger buck this year. That button buck may be the next trophy on my wall in 4 years! 

ORIGINAL: henhouse

Can I add my two cents to the genetics discussion that has some people thinking that having only the older mature bucks do most of the breeding, that they should produce the better bucks in the future. Your genes don't change; do they? If age makes the difference; then my off-spring at my age of 62 would be superior to your off-spring sired by you at a much younger age. Hugh Hefner should be able to sire some super-babies then. My point is that given enough time and proper food that even the off-spring of a 4 pt. can develop into a very decent antlers deer.

 
This is interesting. My point was that I think that this 4 point will never be taken by the law the way it is now with 4 points to one side(barring a mistake kill). He was a mature deer and I was just wondering if his genetics would increase the odds of his offspring creating a local population of spikes or 4-6 points since the feed would be the same.
 
Thanks for that response, Henhouse.

The thing I do not understand with the genes is that how come when a buck breeds at 4.5 he has better genes then he would if he bred at 2.5.

You can say what you want about feed being the only thing that matters and we are not hurting genetics, but all I know is I've now seen 20 different bucks and had 18 in easy shooting range and only one was legal. 10 were spikes or 3 points and I hunt unposted land in a 8 mile radius with plenty of feed. For me at least, AR/HR is a bust and from what I am hearing the just concluded antler scoring program shows the same thing for most of the state with the exception of some private land and around a few cities.

ORIGINAL: gobyking

Saw the biggest four point I've ever seen a few nights ago. Had about 10" tines(fairly wide also) and his head was to the ground the whole way tracking a hot doe. This was a mature deer and was big bodied. 


If this buck is not allowed to be taken by the minimum amount of points on one side, does that mean a better possibility of his offspring having the same antler characteristics?

If that is the case, wouldn't antler restrictions statewide contribute to a genetically less than perfect herd over time?

Just something I was thinking about since I haven't seen a legal buck yet.

 I would say put a youth hunter on that buck right away! Take him out of the Pool.....