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2008/09/09 16:55:18 (permalink)

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    *commander*
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/09 17:05:18 (permalink)
    the deer hide in the woods. you have to find them. they dont like to get shot.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/09 17:48:26 (permalink)
    Deer are living in Town around here "NO" hunters in Town, There all in the woods looking for deer!!! LOL No kidding I see more deer in my yard then in the woods!!!

    Monster PERCH Rulz!!!
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/09 18:06:13 (permalink)
    i have to say i agree,  the only time i see deer like i used to is in bow season,  ya have to love bow season!!!!  as for the antler limit---screw the game commission,,  i dont eat the antlers,, and ya cant count if ya wanna get a shot in our mt. laurel filled woods.        did anyone get there doe license back yet?    i sent for 2c--just wonderin!!!                   draw back and let her fly!!!!!
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/09 21:19:57 (permalink)
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    ...and ya cant count if ya wanna get a shot in our mt. laurel filled woods.  

     
    I would have to say thats a good thing, it forces you to take better shots anyhow.  Also, it keeps the slob hunters from using their most famous quote "if it's brown it's down." 
     
     
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/10 07:28:58 (permalink)
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    i hunted over 45 years in somerset county we shot spikes and 8pointers 10 and some bigger now we have no deer  alt a as wiper who killed our deer by making doe with bucks . it was nice hear before and he got big bucks from the insurance companys . what happen we had big racks now we got **** and no deer. this is the last year i hunt going to fish until some screws that up to

     
    Thats funny.  Just happened to be in Somerset County this past weekend.  Took a 3 mile ride at dusk and saw 23 deer.
     
    If this is your last year to hunt, more deer for the rest of us that like to hunt.  Don't look back.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/10 12:00:07 (permalink)
    I agree that there are too many deer some places and think that there are too few in others.
     
    Example.  The stated goal for the KQDC in McKean county was originally 23 DPSM.  Two years into a 5 year program that goal was changed to 17.5 DPSM.  Now for the past two years pellet counts (don't get me started on the validity) indicated 11.5 dpsm.  So why the continued dmap allocations and minor reduction in tags?

    Better too far back, than too far forward.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/10 12:23:34 (permalink)
    So why the continued dmap allocations and minor reduction in tags?


    Because they are almost to the number where natural mortality and predators will keep the herd in the single digits WITHOUT hunter participation. I believe their 2006 survey showed a negative fawn recruitment so any hunter killed deer will continue to reduce the herd below the 11.5 number.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/10 21:51:39 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: *commander*

    the deer hide in the woods. you have to find them. they dont like to get shot.

     
     
    ****!  THATS what I've been doing wrong!
     
    *slaps forehead*
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/13 09:12:42 (permalink)
    S-10 wrote -----
    Because they are almost to the number where natural mortality and predators will keep the herd in the single digits WITHOUT hunter participation. I believe their 2006 survey showed a negative fawn recruitment
     
    I believe this shows that studies have proven that line of thinking is WRONG.. plus about 20% of our herd dies from all sources other than hunting..
     
    20% will not be enough to keep sinlge digit herds without hunting.. deer hunting is alive and well and will be forever here in Pa..
     
     
    The effects of deer density on recruitment, however, generally are much more apparent. Fawn recruitment rates are maximized at low population densities, but recruitment begins to decline when the amount of food available to each deer is not sufficient, which causes them to compete for food.
    Poor food availability reduces fawn recruitment rates because the lactating doe may not be able to adequately supply milk to her fawn. In addition, predation rates may be greater with high deer densities because predators develop a "search image" for newborn fawns and focus much of their efforts on preying upon fawns. To summarize, recruitment rates are highest when deer numbers are low, and recruitment rates begin to decline when the deer herd begins to compete for a fixed amount of resources. When a deer population is at its biological carrying capacity, the deer density also may be at its highest but recruitment of fawns will be at its lowest.
    To maintain a population at a particular level, the same number of deer recruited into a population also must be removed by hunting and natural mortality. The population will decrease if the number of deer that die exceeds the number of deer recruited into the population. Conversely, the population will increase if fawn recruitment exceeds the number of deer that die. The result of low fawn recruitment means that fewer bucks and does can be harvested when populations are high or near biological carrying capacity.
    post edited by Dr. Trout - 2008/09/13 09:16:13
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/13 09:16:58 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

    S-10 wrote -----
    Because they are almost to the number where natural mortality and predators will keep the herd in the single digits WITHOUT hunter participation. I believe their 2006 survey showed a negative fawn recruitment
     
    I believe this shows that studies have proven that line of thinking is WRONG.. plus about 20% of our herd dies from all sources other than hunting..
     
    20% will not be enough to keep single digit herds without hunting.. deer hunting is alive and well and will be forever here in Pa..
     
     
    The effects of deer density on recruitment, however, generally are much more apparent. Fawn recruitment rates are maximized at low population densities, but recruitment begins to decline when the amount of food available to each deer is not sufficient, which causes them to compete for food. Poor food availability reduces fawn recruitment rates because the lactating doe may not be able to adequately supply milk to her fawn. In addition, predation rates may be greater with high deer densities because predators develop a "search image" for newborn fawns and focus much of their efforts on preying upon fawns. To summarize, recruitment rates are highest when deer numbers are low, and recruitment rates begin to decline when the deer herd begins to compete for a fixed amount of resources. When a deer population is at its biological carrying capacity, the deer density also may be at its highest but recruitment of fawns will be at its lowest. To maintain a population at a particular level, the same number of deer recruited into a population also must be removed by hunting and natural mortality. The population will decrease if the number of deer that die exceeds the number of deer recruited into the population. Conversely, the population will increase if fawn recruitment exceeds the number of deer that die. The result of low fawn recruitment means that fewer bucks and does can be harvested when populations are high or near biological carrying capacity.

    post edited by Dr. Trout - 2008/09/13 09:17:49
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/13 10:45:39 (permalink)
    there is no no no deer left in somerset trust me i am from here
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/22 20:31:57 (permalink)
    dream on
    post edited by peacymike - 2008/09/28 08:33:44
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/22 21:21:09 (permalink)
    you couldnt drag a deer with a truck much less operate a firearm. the deer are in the woods. you have to find them. they dont like to get shot. government already feeds you and stealys 3 meals a day with your welfare checks. get jobs.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/22 22:01:12 (permalink)
    Doc-- You better read the 2006 report from the Kinzua Quality Deer Management. Their studies showed just the opposite. Besides, non hunter deer mortality is directly related to predators in the study area and in Penna there is a INCREASE in both coyotes and bear in the state.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/22 23:03:51 (permalink)
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    i hunted over 45 years in somerset county we shot spikes and 8pointers 10 and some bigger now we have no deer  alt a as wiper who killed our deer by making doe with bucks . it was nice hear before and he got big bucks from the insurance companys . what happen we had big racks now we got **** and no deer. this is the last year i hunt going to fish until some screws that up to


    Thats funny.  Just happened to be in Somerset County this past weekend.  Took a 3 mile ride at dusk and saw 23 deer.

    If this is your last year to hunt, more deer for the rest of us that like to hunt.  Don't look back.
    last year yes. but if i want meat i hunt any time what they going to do . my days are numbered. put me in jail good then they can feed me. 3 meals aday what a life. just like old folks at home [dream on]



    if you didnt poach deer there might be some left. what an inspiration and role model. no wonder stealys turned out the way he did. get a job.
    post edited by *commander* - 2008/09/22 23:08:05
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/23 05:44:40 (permalink)
    dream on
    post edited by peacymike - 2008/09/28 08:35:06
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/23 20:21:35 (permalink)
    never said everybody was on welfare. you and stealys admitted you are. able-bodied deadbeats like yourselves are a major problem in this country. hopefully the next presidential regime will get deadbeats like yourselves working instead of collecting. by the way i'm sucking down a coca-cola as i type. stop by old fella and i'll buy you one.
     
     
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/23 21:08:54 (permalink)
    dream on
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/24 01:46:57 (permalink)
    Peacy, you shouldn't have said you would be a poacher. That is just wrong. Unless our economic system crashes, then it would be OK to put food on the table for your family. Please apologize.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/24 09:20:21 (permalink)
    dream on
    post edited by peacymike - 2008/09/28 08:36:48
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/24 12:15:28 (permalink)
    am not a poacher and i won't apologize. i just go out and get some meat not much  just one .a poacher don't stop at one. that's the differance
     
     
    I think I know some men in green that might take exception to that definition.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/24 15:40:12 (permalink)
    he and stealys sorry deadbeat arses need turned into the Dept. of Labor and the Pa Game Commission. if i knew their real names both agencies would be notified.
    post edited by *commander* - 2008/09/24 16:39:14
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/24 16:43:45 (permalink)
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    Peacy, you shouldn't have said you would be a poacher. That is just wrong. Unless our economic system crashes, then it would be OK to put food on the table for your family. Please apologize.
    am not a poacher and i won't apologize. i just go out and get some meat not much  just one .a poacher don't stop at one. that's the differance

     
     
    get a job poacher. cheers to you .
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/25 00:35:14 (permalink)
    Your a sad case Peacy. Life must really be bad for you.
     
    I guess priorities are really not in order for you. It's probably best this is your last year to hunt by the laws definition.
     
    But will that stop you?
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/25 10:01:39 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: gobyking

    Your a sad case Peacy. Life must really be bad for you.

    I guess priorities are really not in order for you. It's probably best this is your last year to hunt by the laws definition.

    But will that stop you?
    dream on
    post edited by peacymike - 2008/09/28 08:37:23
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/25 10:11:36 (permalink)
    popopo tit -- did yuo fine a deer to shot/

    My reports and advice are for everyone to enjoy, not just the paying customers.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/25 19:31:41 (permalink)
    dream on
    post edited by peacymike - 2008/09/28 08:38:08
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/26 01:30:02 (permalink)
    he'd land on his arse if he ever fired a firearm capable of shooting a deer.
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    RE: spikes 2008/09/26 01:47:35 (permalink)
    Do you think it's wise to admit that you are a poacher on a public forum?  Aren't you worried that someone you know might turn you in?
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