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2018/19 harvest estimates

03/19/2019
GAME COMMISSION RELEASES DEER HARVEST REPORT
HARRISBURG, PA - Pennsylvania hunters posted their highest overall deer harvest in 14 years when they took 374,690 deer during the state’s 2018-19 hunting seasons, which closed in January, the Pennsylvania Game Commission reported today.
The 2018-19 deer harvest topped the previous year’s harvest of 367,159 by about 10 percent. The last time the total deer harvest exceeded this season’s total was in 2004-05.
After four years of successive annual increases in buck harvests, hunters posted a buck harvest of 147,750, which placed fourth overall since the start of antler restrictions in 2002. The 2018-19 buck harvest represents a 10 percent decline from the 2017-18 buck harvest of 163,750. The largest harvest in the antler-restrictions era – 165,416 – occurred in the first year.
Although the total deer harvest was not impacted by downpours on the opening day of the firearms deer season, the buck harvest seemed to take a hit. About half of the firearms season’s overall buck harvest typically occurs on the season’s opening day, when hunter participation is usually at its highest.
Steady rain in most of the state persisted through the morning if not longer of the firearms season opener, making hunting for deer, as well as staying dry and warm while afield, more difficult. And when hunter participation drops on the best harvest day of any season, the harvest typically does, too.
“This year’s opening day antlered harvest was down significantly from last year’s harvest,” said Christopher Rosenberry, Game Commission Deer and Elk Section supervisor. “Although the rest of the firearms season’s daily harvests were similar to or above last year’s, they did not make up for the low opening day harvest.”
Except on Deer Management Assistance Program properties and in Wildlife Management Areas 2B, 5B and 5D, antlerless deer hunting doesn’t begin until the first Saturday of deer rifle season. That limits antlerless deer hunting to seven of the rifle season’s 12 days.
Still, hunters took plenty of antlerless deer, which was anticipated with a 2018-19 allocation of antlerless deer licenses that exceeded the previous license year’s.
The 2018-19 overall antlerless deer harvest was 226,940, which is about 10 percent larger than the 2017-18 harvest of 203,409.
Across the 23 WMUs used by the Game Commission to manage whitetails, the antlerless deer harvest decreased in only five units: WMUs 1A, 2B, 2H, 4B and 5D. The largest harvest increases – 48 percent – occurred in WMUs 2C and 3A.
On the antlered deer side of WMU-level harvests, the buck harvest dropped in all but six units: WMUs 2B, 2H, 3D, 4A, 5A and 5B. The largest declines were in WMU 2G, 23 percent; and WMU 4D, 22 percent.
The percentage of older bucks in the 2018-19 deer harvest remained amazingly high. About 64 percent of the bucks taken by hunters were at least 2½ years old. The remainder were 1½ years old.
“That almost two-thirds of the bucks taken last year in Pennsylvania were at least 2½ years old is a tribute to the science our deer managers use and the sacrifices a generation of hunters made in the Commonwealth,” said Game Commission Executive Director Bryan Burhans. “The bucks being taken every day in Pennsylvania’s deer seasons are living proof that this Commonwealth has never managed whitetails better.”
About 66 percent of the antlerless deer harvest was adult females; button-bucks comprised 17 percent and doe fawns made up 17 percent.
Bowhunters accounted for about a third of Pennsylvania’s 2018-19 overall deer harvest, taking 110,719 deer (54,350 bucks and 56,369 antlerless deer) with either bows or crossbows. But the buck harvest also was down in the 2018-19 archery seasons, by 13 percent. The previous license year, bowhunters took 62,830 bucks. Unseasonably warm weather and rain impacted many fall bowhunting days in 2018.
The muzzleloader harvest – 23,909 – was similar to the previous year’s harvest of 23,490. The 2018-19 muzzleloader harvest included 1,290 antlered bucks compared to 1,310 bucks in the 2017-18 seasons.
Agency staff currently is working to develop its 2019 antlerless deer license recommendations, which will be considered at the April 9 meeting of the Board of Game Commissioners.
In addition to harvest data, staff will be looking at deer health measures, forest regeneration and deer-human conflicts for each WMU as it assembles antlerless allocations, according to Matthew Schnupp, agency Bureau of Wildlife Management director.
Total deer harvest estimates by WMU for 2018-19 (with 2017-18 figures in parentheses) are as follows:
 
WMU 1A: 5,800 (6,300) antlered, 12,400 (12,600) antlerless;
WMU 1B: 8,000 (8,300) antlered, 15,800 (13,000) antlerless;
WMU 2A: 6,000 (6,100) antlered, 10,900 (10,900) antlerless;
WMU 2B: 5,000 (4,500) antlered, 12,000 (14,000) antlerless;
WMU 2C: 9,600 (9,800) antlered, 11,787 (7,972) antlerless;
WMU 2D: 11,800 (14,700) antlered, 20,958 (17,391) antlerless;
WMU 2E: 6,300 (6,900) antlered, 9,701 (6,669) antlerless;
WMU 2F: 7,700 (9,500) antlered, 7,973 (7,202) antlerless;
WMU 2G: 6,300 (8,200) antlered, 7,402 (5,501) antlerless;
WMU 2H: 2,500 (1,700) antlered, 1,800 (1,900) antlerless;
WMU 3A: 4,800 (5,400) antlered, 7,400 (5,000) antlerless;
WMU 3B: 7,000 (8,900) antlered, 8,400 (7,000) antlerless;
WMU 3C: 7,700 (8,700) antlered, 12,200 (11,900) antlerless;
WMU 3D: 5,200 (4,700) antlered, 5,700 (4,200) antlerless;
WMU 4A: 5,100 (4,800) antlered, 8,230 (7,672) antlerless;
WMU 4B: 5,300 (5,600) antlered, 6,916 (7,108) antlerless;
WMU 4C: 5,800 (6,800) antlered, 7,200 (6,500) antlerless;
WMU 4D: 8,300 (10,600) antlered, 9,081 (8,417) antlerless;
WMU 4E: 7,000 (8,200) antlered, 9,300 (8,700) antlerless;
WMU 5A: 3,100 (2,900) antlered, 4,600 (3,801) antlerless;
WMU 5B: 9,200 (9,000) antlered, 14,608 (12,800) antlerless;
WMU 5C: 7,600 (8,800) antlered, 16,415 (15,600) antlerless;
WMU 5D: 2,600 (3,300) antlered, 6,000 (7,500) antlerless; and
Unknown WMU: 50 (50) antlered, 169 (76) antlerless.
 
Season-specific 2018-19 deer harvest estimates (with 2017-18 harvest estimates in parentheses) are as follows:
WMU 1A: archery, 2,530 (2,710) antlered, 3,150 (3,320) antlerless; and muzzleloader, 70 (90) antlered, 1,150 (1,480) antlerless.
WMU 1B: archery, 2,750 (3,370) antlered, 2,790 (2,730) antlerless; muzzleloader, 50 (30) antlered, 1,210 (970) antlerless.
WMU 2A: archery, 2,050 (2,040) antlered, 2,040 (2,030) antlerless; muzzleloader, 50 (60) antlered, 960 (1,170) antlerless.
WMU 2B: archery, 3,520 (3,060) antlered, 5,760 (6,490) antlerless; muzzleloader, 80 (40) antlered, 640 (1,010) antlerless.
WMU 2C: archery, 3,400 (3,400) antlered, 2,378 (1,500) antlerless; muzzleloader, 100 (100) antlered, 1,315 (1,000) antlerless.
WMU 2D: archery, 4,540 (5,720) antlered, 3,472 (2,800) antlerless; muzzleloader, 60 (80) antlered, 2,274 (2,100) antlerless.
WMU 2E: archery, 1,950 (2,040) antlered, 1,601 (1,120) antlerless; muzzleloader, 50 (60) antlered, 1,205 (880) antlerless.
WMU 2F: archery, 2,520 (3,110) antlered, 1,216 (1,340) antlerless; muzzleloader, 80 (90) antlered, 998 (1,060) antlerless.
WMU 2G: archery, 1,430 (2,050) antlered, 1,341 (1,110) antlerless; muzzleloader, 70 (50) antlered, 1,060 (990) antlerless.
WMU 2H: archery, 480 (390) antlered, 270 (320­) antlerless; muzzleloader, 20 (10) antlered, 230 (280) antlerless.
WMU 3A: archery, 1,180 (1,670) antlered, 1,320 (1,010) antlerless; muzzleloader, 20 (30) antlered, 780 (690) antlerless.
WMU 3B: archery, 2,160 (3,030) antlered, 1,630 (1,560) antlerless; muzzleloader, 40 (70) antlered, 1,170 (1,040) antlerless.
WMU 3C: archery, 1,940 (2,530) antlered, 1,820 (2,200) antlerless; muzzleloader, 60 (70) antlered, 1,280 (1,400) antlerless.
WMU 3D: archery, 1,660 (1,550) antlered, 1,410 (1,230) antlerless; muzzleloader, 40 (50) antlered, 590 (570) antlerless.
WMU 4A: archery, 820 (960) antlered, 1,338 (1,250) antlerless; muzzleloader, 80 (40) antlered, 991 (950) antlerless.
WMU 4B: archery, 1,760 (2,060) antlered, 1,598 (1,760) antlerless; muzzleloader, 40 (40) antlered, 627 (740) antlerless.
WMU 4C: archery, 2,350 (2,770) antlered, 1,900 (1,800) antlerless; muzzleloader, 50 (30) antlered, 800 (700) antlerless.
WMU 4D: archery, 2,430 (3,020) antlered, 1,796 (1,920) antlerless; muzzleloader, 70 (80) antlered, 1,002 (1,080) antlerless.
WMU 4E: archery, 2,550 (3,040) antlered, 1,890 (1,870) antlerless; muzzleloader, 50 (60) antlered, 1,010 (1,030) antlerless.
WMU 5A: archery, 880 (870) antlered, 1,220 (1,060) antlerless; muzzleloader, 20 (30) antlered, 480 (440) antlerless.
WMU 5B: archery, 4,640 (4,830) antlered, 5,401 (4,920) antlerless; muzzleloader, 60 (70) antlered, 1,365 (1,180) antlerless.
WMU 5C: archery, 4,690 (5,800) antlered, 7,238 (6,890) antlerless; muzzleloader, 110 (100) antlered, 1,272 (1,210) antlerless.
WMU 5D: archery, 2,080 (2,770) antlered, 3,790 (4,890) antlerless; muzzleloader, 20 (30) antlered, 210 (210) antlerless.
Unknown WMU: archery, 40 (40) antlered, 0 (60) antlerless; muzzleloader, 0 (0) antlered, 0 (0) antlerless.
For additional information on Pennsylvania’s 2018-19 deer harvest, please go to the agency’s website – www.pgc.pa.gov – and go to the “White-Tailed Deer” page, then select 2018-19 Deer Harvest Estimates.

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/19 12:42:20 (permalink)
Actually looks like they got the math wrong. Total harvest up about 2.5%. 
 
Interesting that total antlered harvest is down as is antlered archery harvest. Antlered harvest is generally used as the barometer for population dynamics. 
 
Percent of total antlered harvest by archery went down a tick as well. 
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/19 19:26:44 (permalink)
Thanks for posting it. We've had this discussion before. No way these or last years or any years of their numbers are even remotely close. No way they can be. Way too much guess work.
 
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/19 22:44:10 (permalink)
Pat themselves on the back all they want, but I never seen one decent buck killed in rifle season this year . With all the friends and contacts I have including internet sharing not many bucks were killed...again, and the ones that did were all scrub racks. Big deal male deer are 2.5 years old ...seems to me that was an average age years ago . They should be getting older... about 250k hunters are gone and antler restrictions prevent most from getting killed or shot at. Of course all the added posted land signs don't have any factor either on age.
 
Great job ? too bad hunters are leaving in droves ....solve that issue.
 
Like to know how they age deer without looking in all the mouths at teeth wear ? No deer managers checking teeth at my deer processer  ! Must use a new computer laser beam satellite now days!.....lol   
Figures are all BS to me ....no noticeable buck improvement changes in the woods from years ago ....just more photo sharing on phones when a nice buck does get killed....whatever.
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/20 08:24:08 (permalink)
 We are now killing more deer than 10 years ago with less hunters. I think we should pat ourselves on the back for being such efficient killers.  

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/20 10:30:51 (permalink)
Some seem skeptical about the report — LOL.

Here is how to fix that — require reporting, both positive and negative in order to actually gain statistically viable data. It is currently done for DMAP and was done for CWD permits before the inclusion in the DMAP program.

The penalty for not reporting was severe — no opportunity to purchase a permit the next year. And unlike the fine for not reporting a harvest, this one was rigorously enforced (I know folks that didn’t report negative results and when they tried to purchase next year, the computer blocked the sale).

In addition to the punitive aspect, perhaps a positive reinforcement could be used as well, such as a number of hunters drawn from this that report get a free lifetime license, or an elk tag, or something of value.

Why can’t this be done for all reporting, not just DMAP or CWD?

Because with negative reporting included, the numbers cannot be “analyzed” or “interpreted” any way except for what they are.

And that simply doesn’t fit the current narrative.

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/20 23:29:45 (permalink)
I know yinz ain't gonna believe this but I gotta give the PGC a big pat on the back.

The PGC does a hell of a job trying to convince themselves..... Don't they?

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/22 10:58:24 (permalink)
  I do not have a problem with the currant system it is simple statistics. It is not perfect however should give adequate information. I have always reported my harvests, and feel all should.
  DarDys ideas sound good although it might take a stick of dynamite to get a high compliance rate. I have thought for years they should have mandatory reporting of game harvests for everyone post season. If someone does not report then their next years license costs $5 or $10 more. Com. gains some revenue also.  
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/22 12:09:31 (permalink)
 If they had you report your harvests & from what zones from last season when you buy new licence they could compare to last yrs. for better accuracy on % reported.
 
Way too easy, first time hunters or didn't purchase a lice previous yr. would be exempt. 
 
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/22 12:19:55 (permalink)
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Some seem skeptical about the report — LOL.

Here is how to fix that — require reporting, both positive and negative in order to actually gain statistically viable data. It is currently done for DMAP and was done for CWD permits before the inclusion in the DMAP program.



Agreed need better reporting.

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/22 12:23:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CAPTAIN HOOK 2019/03/22 23:26:31
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 We are now killing more deer than 10 years ago with less hunters. I think we should pat ourselves on the back for being such efficient killers.  


Yeh, we should pat ourselves on the back.  lol  Total bs.  Had my worst season for seeing deer in a long time.  Did not hear of many deer being shot in my neck of the woods.
 
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/22 23:34:23 (permalink)
Agreed .....I still want to know how they age those deer without opening the mouth ?
BS on that 2.5 year old stats .....The doe I seen at the processer I go to were mostly Bambis ,that was the first Saturday around 5pm. bet most were barely a year old !   The bucks that were there were nothing to get excited about either.  
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/23 09:41:58 (permalink)
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Agreed .....I still want to know how they age those deer without opening the mouth ?



The crews that visit processors have a tool designed for opening the jaws. A trained person can easily distinguish 1 1/2 from 2 1/2 with a quick glance of the first few teeth.  

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/23 10:02:48 (permalink)
It's all about re-establishing Elk habitat and natural migration routes.

History of PA Elk and the natural migration routes coincide with "BS" WMUs and the PGC current White Tailed "BS" studies/plans.

PGC know they can't exterminate the whitetail in the new Elk WMUs only, without calling attention to themselves and their devious plans.

So kill off whitetail across PA by using bogus biologist data/reports like CWD and bigger racks.

Welp, as hoped, the rack hunters along with the "brown & down" boyz fell for the "BS".

Except now, with fewer and fewer deer to kill, more and more hunters are saying "what happened" ( looking at the other guy) so the PGC must dangle carrots in front of the boyz, to stop em from crying in their beer and keep em buying a license.

Unfortunately it's special flavored carrots such as auto-loading rifles and Sunday hunting.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.😜


PS. DPMS thank goodness some of our state politicians don't fall for that "aging" process you just printed.
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/23 19:12:47 (permalink)
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PS. DPMS thank goodness some of our state politicians don't fall for that "aging" process you just printed.



It is a simple process. This tool is slid in between the molars and front teeth of the deer and a twist opens the mouth quite easily. A quick glance at premolar 3 distinguishes between 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 years old. 


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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/23 20:13:21 (permalink)
Understood Gene, but it's the "honest" process of conducting the test and recording, of the results.

Anyone wanting to prove a point, can generate reports, from the chair of their office.

I'm with others on this board. I've never seen a test conducted in field or at a processor. Who by the way, is subject to scrutiny by the PGC.

Field talk, like this board, far out weighs biologist generated computer reports. There is too much suspicious data with no proof, coming out of the PGC.


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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/24 08:10:06 (permalink)
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 We are now killing more deer than 10 years ago with less hunters. I think we should pat ourselves on the back for being such efficient killers.  


Yeh, we should pat ourselves on the back.  lol  Total bs.  Had my worst season for seeing deer in a long time.  Did not hear of many deer being shot in my neck of the woods.
 



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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/24 08:27:03 (permalink)
I work with a few guys that work at a couple different processors locally. Ill ask them tomorrow if the pgc or an affiliate does any aging in the area.
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/24 09:31:22 (permalink)
They do pop in and age at our local processor.

From what the processor has told me, there has been a slight shift toward 2.5, particularly bucks, theorizing that the 1.5 are either not legal or are so close t to being not legal, that they aren’t being taken.

I didn’t ask this year, but last year, they had one or none that they deemed 3.5 or older, if I recall correctly.

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/24 09:53:37 (permalink)
Other states have far fewer hunters than Pa and can still reach harvest goals. When our hunter numbers were highest, we had a 2 week antlered season, a 4 week archery season, a 3 week flintlock season, and a 3 day doe season. Compare that to our seasons now. As hunter numbers decrease, opportunities increase to offset the losses. 
 
We could still kill a boatload of deer with fewer hunters than we have now. 

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/24 11:50:09 (permalink)
Geeeee, I wonder if all them "self processors" like Amish folks, provide age stats?

With such large family's ranging in age from "mentored" to "been around a while", I bet their stats would show older deer.

Ummm, isn't the reason for WMUs is to provide better game management in specific locations. Silly me, probably just one of them bogus game management plans. We got no Elk in North West Penn's Woods..... yet.

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/24 14:27:37 (permalink)
Ya seem a little bitter, BTDT, LOL. 

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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/24 22:18:37 (permalink)
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Ya seem a little bitter, BTDT, LOL. 


Not so much bitter Gene, as I am diappointed.

Growing up, working, raising a family, and finally retiring in Penn's woods, only to see the hunting heritage of Pennsylvania go down the toilet at the hands of a few hunters who joy in record book horns and thrill in 'brown & down' killing, is sad.

Good luck with your Sunday hunting and auto loading rifles.

The combination of those two wishes should just about destroy any hopes of ever seeing PA as a "leader" in quality hunting.

But hey, on the brighter side, the mountains in Utah..... just unbelievable!!


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Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~
 
 
 
  Old fisherman never die; we just smell that way. 
 
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/25 10:41:30 (permalink)
Here, here....Sunday Hunting.....I can't wait!!!!!!!!
 
Finally, PA will get out of the dark ages...and be the 48th state to allow it in all its glory.
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/25 18:59:37 (permalink)
 
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 As hunter numbers decrease, opportunities increase to offset the losses. 
 
We could still kill a boatload of deer with fewer hunters than we have now. 



 That's one way to look at all the hunters quitting or retiring from the sport . Now with less hunting pressure all those scrub bucks will get to breeding more and more again....seems they are getting more popular again now by what I've been seeing. 
 
Pa. use to be mostly meat hunters for many years, the PGC want's it to be trophy , they say it's working .......I'm still not seeing it ....not even dead road kill trophies. 
 
 
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/26 12:54:45 (permalink)
By scrub bucks, you mean the gobs of 1.5 yr old bucks that haven't had even a inkling of time to express their potential....oh......ok, gotcha. 
 
Also, dead, road kill trophies never did exist in PA.  Their heads or antlers are typically removed within 15 mins. of them meeting their roadside demise, no matter where you are at within PA.
 
 
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Re: 2018/19 harvest estimates 2019/03/26 17:13:37 (permalink)
They have had plenty of growing years now since 2002 in Pa.  I'm talking the ugly bucks with deformed antlers that will never turn into anything else....scrub bucks.
 
"If you only shoot big deer and let the little crappy bucks go by, are you taking the best of the bunch and leaving the little guys — the ones that aren't going to grow big antlers potentially — to spawn more ugly bucks?" 
 
You would think while traveling the roadways all hours one would see some of these trophy size deer the PCG claims are abounding our woods more today than years ago lying dead once in awhile.....I guess they are like bigfoot .
 
I see no special deference in antler growth bucks as to what was around 30 years ago . What I do see is more social media when one does get a nice buck and much more posted land. Many trophy bucks killed years ago were never shared like today, some never shared period, and I've seen plenty of older trophy bucks killed way before AR's.  To me it's been more hype to justify their (PGC ) AR program failure..... well maybe let down . 
 
To me it should be the hunters discretion to shoot what size buck he feels is a trophy. Restricting shooting doesn't help the sport at all, especially for holding younger hunters attention or even older hunters. Watching bucks run through the woods and not shooting gets old fast. Too the point some could care less to go.
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