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2008/09/30 07:39:57 (permalink)

FIRST DAY

I check the forecast for my spot for the first day.They're calling for lows in the high 30s and very little wind.How many of you guys are going to try to kill a doe the first day?The spot i'm hunting in the a.m. i don't have a doe tag for it.The spot i'm hunting in the evening got a doe tag for it but we got a weeding reception that evening time is a factor unless a good buck comes to the corn field before dark.Cool weather light winds so be a good first day i hope and good luck to everyone.
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    jlh42581
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 08:40:50 (permalink)
    I more then likely will not unless im about ready to go home in the evening and the light is fading fast. Ive been looking at the PA scrap book trying to determine what i deem acceptable to shoot as far as buck is concerned. I have a feeling a lot will be walking.
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 13:16:24 (permalink)
    I'm holding out for a button buck. 

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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 13:44:12 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: SilverKype

    I'm holding out for a button buck. 

     
    Thats my plan as well, someone needs to help control the future buck population.
     
    Seriously, I would take a nice sized doe first day(no button bucks!!!!), given I am presented the chance.  I would rather shoot a doe early in the year so that I am not distracted when the last 3 weeks of the season roll around  
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 13:59:51 (permalink)
    Why would you want to shoot a doe and stink up a place where you hope to kill a good buck. Besides, the doe you shoot may have been the one who would have pulled the rutting buck past you. Kill the buck first, then take a doe if you want more meat.
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 14:16:24 (permalink)
    On the flipside, if there are too many doe, the buck may not have to cover much ground, lessing your chances. 
     
    I shoot doe whenever, except the last two weeks.  Only in areas where there are too many.

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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 14:16:59 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: S-10

    Why would you want to shoot a doe and stink up a place where you hope to kill a good buck. Besides, the doe you shoot may have been the one who would have pulled the rutting buck past you. Kill the buck first, then take a doe if you want more meat.


    All hail the almighty!!!

    I have killed a doe then a buck from the same stand on consecutive evenings?  I wouldn't be "stinking" anything up at all.  You think a deer has never smelled all the roadkills that end up in the areas I hunt?  Secondly, I have never and will never confine myself to hunting the same area time and time again.  I hunt more than one stand location on several different parcels of land anyhow; I guess that possibility must have slipped your mind.    

    As far as that  being the doe that brings the buck to me later in the year...rediculous.  When you hunt an area where the doe/buck ratio is that out of wack, taking a doe or two earlier in the season will have little effect on the rut!!  So before you jump the gun and criticize my proposed actions again please consider the off-base assumptions you made here.  
    post edited by Esox_Hunter - 2008/09/30 14:20:10
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 15:07:38 (permalink)
    Your not thinking straight---You spend time, energy, and money to keep everything scent free and then leave a blood trail with all your scent  left following it, your scent where you dress it out, your scent where you drag it out, and then expect to kill an old buck in the same stand. You better have a horse shoe in your pocket because it won't happen often. In this time of reduced doe population I would much rather be able to depend on having a few hot doe in the area to keep the bucks close rather than hope I'am in the right spot to catch a crusier. I've killed over fourty bucks with the bow and before AR/HR averaged passing up 9.5 for every one I killed. How about you?
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 15:41:04 (permalink)
    You have me beat on numbers; you probably have at least 30 years on me as well.  I may not have taken the number of bucks you have but, every year I have had the time to hunt archery since I started I have killed a  decent buck with only a few exceptions. 
     
    Yes, I agree you will be leaving some scent when you harvest a doe.  Generally I won't return to a stand within a full week of harvesting a deer.  I have rarely seen a noticeable decrease in deer activity from these stands when I return to them.  And if I do it is more than likely a food, wind, or pressure elsewhere thing.  If this happens, being the savvy hunter I am, I move my stand to a different area.  The biggest part of being a hunter is the ability to adapt.  I for one have never experienced strong enough evidence that harvesting a doe in the first 2 weeks will affect mature deer movement in the area for the rest of the season.
     
    If you feel that strongly about by all means stick to your guns, it has treated you well in the past so continue to do so.  I have my opinions and I know what works where I hunt and you have yours, simple as that.  Just because you believe in something doesn't make it the end-all solution for everyone.  I really don't appreciate you or anyone else telling me how to hunt my season.  On the same note here I would never tell you how to hunt your season.     
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 17:44:09 (permalink)
    I actually wasn't answering you in particular but was giving my opinion on the general statements regarding targeting doe before killing a buck that several had talked about ( when you are hoping for a older buck). My method has served me very well and I do intend to continue with it.
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 19:37:36 (permalink)
    **** i was just asking a question i wasn't trying to start a war.
    post edited by chicken27 - 2008/09/30 19:42:18
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 20:23:03 (permalink)
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 20:30:39 (permalink)
    S-10--I didn't mean to cause a problem here I just felt as if you were ramming your ideas down my/our throats.  But I see that is wasn't meant in that manner, stick with what works for you man.  Good Luck this year.
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 21:09:09 (permalink)
    I got one spot i hunt in washigton county that i hunted for 2 years.I left alot of big does walk right under me.The reason was there was a good 8 pointer hanging out there with them.He never did show up before dark.So if i hunt that spot this year the first doe is going to fell the impact of the G5.They put a well road in this spot don't know how good it will be this year.
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 21:42:06 (permalink)
    I have 3 weeks, then volleyball season is over and all the shooting duties are taken over by the little girl. 
     
    On a side note.......awww  maybe I will start a new thread for that.

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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/09/30 23:57:14 (permalink)
    I'll shoot a doe without hesitation.  Even if I believed that shooting a doe had a negative effect on deer travel in an area for more than a couple days (which I dont), I have enough spots that I could hunt somewhere else.  They all eat the same.
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/10/01 00:40:23 (permalink)
    last year opening morning i shot a doe and that night shot a nice 8 point from a stand only 30 yards away from where i shot the doe so would i do it again? you bet i would but i would like to shoot a small doe this year to cook on the spit i heard they are very good that way anyone try it before?
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/10/01 07:24:44 (permalink)
    Sugar- they are excellent on a spit. Just be sure not to overcook and keep them moist with some sort of basting or sauce while cooking. Yum
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/10/01 08:23:40 (permalink)
    I have watched bucks grunt in doe.  Multiple times in one area.  Areas where bucks will not leave because of pressure, hear/watch them grunt and have doe come to them.  That's a case of too many doe.  Besides, my mindset for hunting season isn't always antlers.  There are nights when I target doe on purpose.   Nothing wrong with that.  I'll be doing that the second and third week this year.  You do your thing and I'll do mine.  Neither is wrong.
     
     
    btw Esox .. S-10 has 40 years on you.   I believe he's 62-63.  What an ol' fart.  

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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/10/01 08:52:08 (permalink)
    62-63--Why that's just a young pup. Hardly dry behind the years. Heck, I'am older than most of the trees I climb in.
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/10/01 17:01:35 (permalink)
    LOL  S-10 if you are that old then man that is great you can still do that climbing tree thing.
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/10/02 17:17:22 (permalink)
    s 10 keep it up man your still out there archery hunting most guys i know dont even go out your a die hard man
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    RE: FIRST DAY 2008/10/03 05:18:22 (permalink)
    I will be whacking and stacking the doe the first day.  But while i am waiting for the mature does and a shooter buck comes by I'll take him. And then back to filling the freezer.  Seen all kinds of rubs on Monday evening. some bigger trees but mostly small trees ripped up,torn down looks good in that hunting spot. I wont be hunting that spot till Monday and Tuesday. The first day I'll be in the meat stand   LOL  But I will only take what i need depending on size  usually  2-3  sometimes 4 if need be. One place i hunt just has the deer coming out of the woods  NO PUN intended LOL
    post edited by BIGHEAD - 2008/10/03 06:25:07
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