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what flies to use - 12/30/2007 3:09:23 PM

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Which flies would anyone recommend to use in a small stream in the mountains that has small natives. this stream only sees people during hunting season. I came acrossed it bout 3 weeks ago saw navites every pool I walked by and would like to try it out but have no idea which flies would be good to use this time of year?

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RE: what flies to use - 12/30/2007 3:55:35 PM

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Eggs... glowbugs

Natives will eat damn near anything.

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RE: what flies to use - 12/30/2007 3:57:36 PM

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smaller then 14?

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RE: what flies to use - 12/30/2007 4:11:19 PM

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Try slapping a Royal Wulff on the surface. Brookies love em'.

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RE: what flies to use - 12/30/2007 4:27:36 PM

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I just got done fishing my favorite little mountain stream. Globugs and #20 flashbacks were the ticket.

You'll do well on small beadhead pt's and green caddis larva. Also, like Jeremy said globugs will work well. Cream delight is usually my favorite color. I most often tie them on a #16 scud/caddis hook.

The best advice I can give you is to turn over a few rocks, and match what you see.

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RE: what flies to use - 12/30/2007 11:03:22 PM

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Chances are if the fish truly are native trout, then the stream is less pressured than most stocked trout streams(Not always, but usually). This is good and bad. The good is they will hit absolutely anything, as long as you don't spook them before you get "anything" in front of them. If they are natives, you'll have to approach slowly from their downstream side and make a clean cast up into the pool. I like ants/beetles because them make a nice soft kerplunk that will get the fishes attention but hopefully not spook them. Green weenies work well underneath because you can see it. They are quick little *&*&'s and will slam a fly and spit it very quickly, being able to see the fly helps.

If you want numbers of the larger sized natives (larger size being 7 inches and up) then nothing will beat a small utralight spin rod and a white trout magnet. At least on the smaller streams that I've native fished on, they were so small, with fish so spooky, it was much more effective to use spin gear.

Long story short, if there is a type of fishing where what is on the end of the line doesn't matter. But presentation and stealth does, it's native brook trout fishing.

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RE: what flies to use - 12/30/2007 11:44:37 PM

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Kyler,
I have always had really good luck with mosquito imitations up to size 14 it is a natural food and the brookies really hit them. Ants are also good. And believe it or not a small, pink San Juan worm. But they will hit just about anything if it is presented correctly.

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RE: what flies to use - 12/31/2007 2:36:29 AM

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oh I can guarantee this stream was never fished where Im going. Its 4 miles up a mountain that the only way to is following a trail from a private hunting camp we belong to. Its perfect for my 4foot fly rod just unsure about the flies to use. all the natives Ive seen in it were 3-5 inches. So im sure indicators are out of the question and nymphs would be a bad idea not being able to see them.

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RE: what flies to use - 12/31/2007 8:44:46 AM

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I wouldnt say indicators are out of the question unless the stream is really shallow. Just be sure to use a small indicator.

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RE: what flies to use - 12/31/2007 12:13:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thedrake

I just got done fishing my favorite little mountain stream. Globugs and #20 flashbacks were the ticket.

You'll do well on small beadhead pt's and green caddis larva. Also, like Jeremy said globugs will work well. Cream delight is usually my favorite color. I most often tie them on a #16 scud/caddis hook.

The best advice I can give you is to turn over a few rocks, and match what you see.

I fished them yesterday in a size ten, I POUNDED the fish!

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RE: what flies to use - 12/31/2007 1:35:16 PM

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anything will work usually, its just getting the fly to them without spooking the fish. Fishing for natives is like a workout, alot of creepin' and crouchin' but its definetly worth it.

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RE: what flies to use - 12/31/2007 3:43:16 PM

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for my native fishing, i leave the fly rod at home! ever try to go through mountain laurel with one. i take my trusty 4 1/2 ft. spinning rod matched with a ul reel, a small float cut in half, about the size of your pinkie nail, and whatever bait or nymph i decide to use. up in the mountains in black moshannon and around sinnamahoning are usually to bunched in for a flyrod.

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RE: what flies to use - 12/31/2007 3:50:56 PM

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I have a 4 foot fly rod just for those occasions.

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RE: what flies to use - 1/1/2008 10:50:28 AM

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kyler & nut,
I actually use my 8 foot 4wt for the small streams. Yes, it is harder to maneuver thru the laurel, but the extra length lets me fish from further back than a shorter rod would. Sometimes I have less than 4 feet of line out. And the extra length makes reaching back in and under much easier.

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RE: what flies to use - 1/2/2008 3:23:07 PM

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Size 16 Adams and Elk Hair Caddis.

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RE: what flies to use - 1/2/2008 3:43:38 PM

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quote:

oh I can guarantee this stream was never fished where Im going.

They've ALL been fished before, Junior.

Chances are this stream is on somebody's list, but for God's sake, don't ever mention it. It's also likely that my fellow Boot Campers and I will find it, so don't go screwing it up before then.

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RE: what flies to use - 1/3/2008 9:30:36 AM

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What ever you use make sure you pinch the barbs, those 3 & 5 inch brookies are to valuable to hurt with a barbed hook sucked down deep. There is nothing that will smash a fly like a native brookie .

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RE: what flies to use - 1/8/2008 3:19:09 PM

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I definitely agree with using barbless hooks for such small stream trout.

I would recommend using a size 16 to 18 dry fly (your choice) with a nymph off a dropper tied to the bend of the dry fly. That way the dry fly will act as an indicator but not scare the fish and gives the trout two choices to hit.

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RE: what flies to use - 1/10/2008 5:49:18 PM

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Adams and Caddis

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RE: what flies to use - 1/15/2008 7:52:33 PM

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i dont think its wat to use as much as it is not to spook the fish

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RE: what flies to use - 8/5/2008 10:30:56 PM

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Use some smaller, yet colorful flies. I would reccommend a red copper john, size 14-16. With small natives they are definately (no surprise!) not going after size 4 stone flies, or any streamers you throw that way. Even the splat of the water is enough to scare a fish. Enough try a Griffiths Gnat, personally one of my favorite flies, in a size 20. A excellent fly! Being a dry fly you won't have to worry about the noise, because unlike wets, or streamers it doesn't go below the surface! give it a try!

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RE: what flies to use - 8/6/2008 9:28:48 AM

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have fun and make'm rise.
king river caddis, colorado kings, small stimulaters, terrestrials.
like they saiid earlier the key is to not let the fish know you're there.

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RE: what flies to use - 8/6/2008 10:04:19 AM

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Small, mountain streams are made for dry flies- why even bother with nymphs? If you can't get them to come to the surface, move on the the next pool... I like 3 flies, and could easliy make do with any one of them: Parachute Adams, Lime Trude, Olive Stimluator.

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RE: what flies to use - 8/6/2008 10:11:07 AM

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quote:

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Small, mountain streams are made for dry flies- why even bother with nymphs? If you can't get them to come to the surface, move on the the next pool... I like 3 flies, and could easliy make do with any one of them: Parachute Adams, Lime Trude, Olive Stimluator.

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I've had plenty of days when a parachute Adams never left the end of my line. Makes me wonder when I get back to the car, why the heck did I have 4 boxes of flies all day, when I could've guessed before leaving that I'd use the Adams to start off the day.

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RE: what flies to use - 8/6/2008 10:51:46 AM

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i concur with the 2 post above...

pinch barbs!! fish on top...
elk hair cadis... they ride high...easy to see... take a beating

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RE: what flies to use - 8/21/2008 10:28:17 PM

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After reading alot of this it's pretty much personal preference. Some guys like dry flies, some guys like nymphs, etc. The true is that most fish (trout?) in the mountains go after about anything. Catch them in a good feeding time, early morning, and you'll be set on anything.

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