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voting info - 9/4/2008 11:03:48 AM   
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not sure if this will be a help, haven't read the whole thing so i can't say if it is biased.  hope it helps someone:


A detailed guide to the economic issues that matter most to voters in the 2008 presidential election.

Compare where Barack Obama and John McCain stand on key campaign issues, including:


· Gas Prices

· Energy Security

· Foreclosures

· Mortgage Fraud

· Medicare

· Taxing Business

· Bankruptcy

· Free Trade

· Jobs and Wages

· Small Business· Driving

· Taxing Wealth

· Mortgage Giant Rescue

· Social Security

· Personal Taxes

· Health Care

· Savings

· Budget Deficit

· Wall Street

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RE: voting info - 9/4/2008 9:05:09 PM   
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I read through them and my head hurts.... I seem to agree with McCain most often, but who knows if either candidate would do what they say. We should start cutting a finger off of politicians every time they tell us one thing and do another...

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RE: voting info - 9/4/2008 9:41:45 PM   
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Make it the eleventh finger first?

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RE: voting info - 9/4/2008 9:43:03 PM   
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LOL.. good idea

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RE: voting info - 9/5/2008 7:19:53 AM   
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I was going to say - maybe start between the legs, but it might not work with Pelosi!

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RE: voting info - 9/5/2008 7:45:37 AM   
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Http://www.eyeblast.TV/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

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RE: voting info - 9/5/2008 10:18:30 AM   
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Good link rap, thanks

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RE: voting info - 9/5/2008 10:44:57 AM   
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I seem to agree with McCain about a third of the time and Obama a third...the other third seems to be a toss up.  They have quite a few similar ideas about things although the specifics are tweaked a bit.

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RE: voting info - 9/5/2008 12:33:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LDD

I seem to agree with McCain about a third of the time and Obama a third...the other third seems to be a toss up.  They have quite a few similar ideas about things although the specifics are tweaked a bit.


agreed.  this is politics.  my cynicism started back in the late 70s as every political candidate coming through the mahoning and shenango valleys promised to help get the area back on their feet.  we have been hit pretty hard.  however, after elections, they never came back and nothing changed.  i know some of you guys are passionate about mccain, and others obama, but i have become scarred.  need to be thicker skinned when it comes to politics and what they say.  to me, the biggest issue is the war in iraq.  think  a lot of our economic problems may have rooted there.

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RE: voting info - 9/5/2008 12:54:40 PM   
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 I think good old Harry Truman was correct when he observed, 'My choice early
    in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to
    tell the truth, there's hardly any difference. I, for one, believe the piano
    player job to be much more honorable than current politicians.'


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RE: voting info - 9/5/2008 12:56:46 PM   
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I, for one, believe the piano
  player job to be much more honorable than current politicians.'


cannot and will not argue that.

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RE: voting info - 9/6/2008 2:17:52 AM   
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Rap, great link for comps. A lot of information there. thankx for posting it. I find myself liking Mac's better. lower taxes do mean a lot for me. one thing they missed was illegal immigration.... i'll read up on that soon...

Politician's come around just like you say-to get the votes  and it does seem to be forgotton about. Our gov. race is a great example. both sides came here to the northeast, said all kinds of promises, school taxes being the biggest last election, and they never came back or followed through. What happened to the 1/3 decrease in school taxes? Our schools here are so unfairly funded from the state it is pathetic. Other regions of the state get much more. our schools were suppose to get more money for the increased growth alone which we never got.

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RE: voting info - 9/6/2008 9:24:44 AM   
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oth,  not sure about the source, but this may help some:


BY AMY DOMINELLO
Media General News Service

WASHINGTON –John McCain and Barack Obama don’t agree on much, but they come close on immigration.

The two presidential candidates think the country’s immigration system needs reform.

Both believe America’s borders need to be secured.

They want to create a path to citizenship for the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants in the country.

Both want to crack down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants.

And they want all immigrants to learn English.

But neither as president will be able to escape the politics of the debate. Political tensions likely will affect the way each would implement reform. Here’s a look at what we can expect on immigration from a McCain or an Obama administration.

Reforming a broken system
The two candidates, along with advocates on all sides of the issue, believe the next president will have no choice but to deal with immigration.

McCain, a Republican, came under fire from many hard-liners in his own party as the immigration debate heated up in 2006 and 2007 for his attempt to push through bipartisan reform legislation.

McCain and Democrat Obama both voted for the reform legislation in 2006, although the bill never made it out of Congress. The bill, among other things, would have built a fence along the Mexican border and allowed illegal immigrants to become citizens if they followed certain guidelines.

Supporters of a get-tough approach on illegal immigration hammered McCain for what they saw as rewarding people who entered the country illegally. Since then, McCain has backed away from his own proposals and now says he underestimated Americans’ desire to secure its borders first and then enact reform later.

“We must first prove to [Americans] that we can and will secure our borders first, while respecting the dignity and rights of citizens and legal residents of the United States,” McCain said in June. “But we must not make the mistake of thinking that our responsibility to meet this challenge will end with that accomplishment.”

His emphasis on border security and enforcement highlights his change on the issue. McCain believes additional reforms would come later. Obama is pushing for a comprehensive fix.

“We need immigration reform that will secure our borders, and punish employers who exploit immigrant labor - reform that finally brings the 12 million people who are here illegally out of the shadows by requiring them to take steps to become legal citizens,” Obama said in June. “We must assert our values and reconcile our principles as a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.”

The difference in the candidates’ approach to reform is important, said Clarissa Martinez, director of immigration and national campaigns for the non-partisan civil rights group the National Council of La Raza.

A piecemeal approach will not work, she said.

“Dealing with border alone will not really deal with the restoration of law,” Martinez said.

Immigrants already here
Key to both candidates’ plans is how to deal with 12 million illegal immigrants already in the country. Neither believes it is practical to deport all illegal immigrants.

Obama supports allowing undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English and go to the back of the line to become citizens.

In the meantime, Obama sees allowing illegal immigrants to obtain driver’s licenses as a practical solution to documenting those here illegally.

McCain as president would require all undocumented immigrants to enroll in a program to resolve their status. Under his proposal, background checks would be performed and immigrants would have to pay taxes they owe. Those who want to apply for citizenship would also have to go to the back of the line, behind those who have applied legally.

To cut down on illegal immigration, both support building a fence along the border with Mexico.

Obama calls for additional personnel, infrastructure and technology at the country’s borders and ports – and so does McCain, who also says he will work with governors to certify that borders are secure as well as provide additional funding to border states.

Employers
Both candidates want to develop employment verification systems.

Obama has pushed proposals to create a system for employers to verify workers are legally eligible to work in the United States.

McCain is also pushing for a similar system and has said the Department of Homeland Security would vigorously prosecute employers that continue to hire illegal immigrants.

Both would also create registries or databases of temporary workers.

Can change happen?

But the next president, whoever it is, will need to balance what sometimes are competing interests to be successful in reforming the current system, analysts say.

The issue is not one that divides clearly along party lines, so McCain or Obama will have to consider his supporters and tread carefully, said Angela Kelley, director of the Immigration Policy Center, a pro-immigrant research and policy group.

Labor unions, backing Obama, are highly interested in how immigration reform will affect the workers they represent, she said. Obama will also need to balance not alienating Hispanic voters, expected to be in his column in November.

McCain will have to balance the interests of the business community, traditionally a Republican base, as well as those in the party who take a hard line on illegal immigration, Kelley said.

Reform will also depend on Congress.

“I have a feeling that there are a lot of folks in Congress that don’t want to go down that path,” said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which seeks to stop illegal immigration and reduce immigration overall.

Other issues, such as the economy and war in Iraq, are likely to occupy the new president’s attention before immigration, Kelley said.

“I think the issue is a necessity for the next president,” she said. “It’s just an issue of when it’s going to be called.”



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RE: voting info - 9/7/2008 10:46:36 AM   
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I AGREE WITH MccAIN ON MOST OF THEM ISSUES,i feel no one should have a tax increase,no matter what you make,un american to pick a certain class out to pay some politicians dream,,as far as immigration,i think any one who hires a illegal imigrant ,should first be hung in public on tv,and any politician who thinks we should keep funding medical and employment of these imigrants ,should be shackled,whipped bare body then hung on tv to show all who are for making any illegal ,a citizen is wrong,round them up,they know where most are employed,just ask pelosi,sure some on her vineyards,,take these employers also ,and hang them in public,,,this is not a joke post, im serious on this issue,,,i think start getting tough on these politicians is the only way out,do the job or hang

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RE: voting info - 9/7/2008 1:15:12 PM   
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 think start getting tough on these politicians is the only way out,do the job or hang

that would be great rock,  really wish there was a way to force them into integrity.

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RE: voting info - 9/8/2008 3:03:02 PM   
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Rap, thanks for the post. plan sounds like a start to solving the problem. fence i do support. back of the line also. we can't reward pople who break the laws. will be interesting to see when it gets addressed.....

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RE: voting info - 9/8/2008 3:05:04 PM   
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my trouble with hearing what they candidates SAY they are going to do and DONT do a damn thing they said they were going to do.

The should have a contest who ever does what they say they are going to do and it improves the economy make they president.

oh sorry  i was day dreaming.   

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